Might and Magic fans in the house? [Archive]

TheCoolinator

Mar 18th, 2010, 02:33 PM

This topic is about one of the most fantastic fantasy RPGs ever created. The Grandpa of all MMO's.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4a/Might_and_Magic_Logo.PNG

.....(applause)

The first time I layed eyes on an M&M game was when I was working for KB toys as a youth. In the store we had some cheap PC games on the computer rack. So, one fine day I decided to spend some of my minimum wage salary on a random computer game. I took out my wallet, closed my eyes, point my finger into the mess of PC games sloppily placed on the rack and miraculously picked out Might & Magic 7. Now usually I don't buy games that are half way through a series but I gave it a shot nontheless. I brought it home, cracked it open, and installed it on my PC. What I discovered after 20 minutes of playing it was a First-Person / Group based / RPG.

It had all the hallmarks of a regular RPG but was completely different in the way it moved. You could toggle in and out of turn-based combat, you could walk around 3D rendered environments at will, Travel to places all over the map, Pick and choose your quests ,promotions, friends, enemies, the digital skies were the limit.

The only thing I could possibly compare it to today would be a non-online, non-multiplayer MMO. Now I understand how little sense that makes but there is really no other way I can describe it. You roam the vast expanses of the virtual world talking to NPC, competing quests, and mastering certain skills through apprenticeship.

I always wondered if 3DO and New World Computing didn't go the way of the dodo, would we have be playing Might & Magic's successor instead of World Of Warcraft?

Anyone else play any of the M&M's ? Heroes included.

Pentegarn

Mar 18th, 2010, 03:06 PM

I liked the heroes series. I prefer Wizardry over M&M though for 1st person rpgs

TheCoolinator

Mar 18th, 2010, 03:47 PM

I liked the heroes series. I prefer Wizardry over M&M though for 1st person rpgs

I'll definitely check it out. Is it an older game? :confused:

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 18th, 2010, 03:55 PM

HOMMIII is the best. I use either Solimar the Genie or the one elf that comes with movement plus.

Pentegarn

Mar 18th, 2010, 08:46 PM

I'll definitely check it out. Is it an older game? :confused:

It is an older series, you can try the NES versions of the first 2 out on the every video game sight

Wizardry 1: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
http://www.everyvideogame.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=play&gameid=1010

Wizardry 2: The Knight of Diamonds
http://www.everyvideogame.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=play&gameid=1011

There were 8 in the original series, plus there was a PS2 one called "Tales of the Forsaken Land" that was interesting

Zhukov

Mar 19th, 2010, 12:24 AM

I've loved HOMM 2,3 and 5. Had a thing for the Undead.

Pentegarn

Mar 19th, 2010, 12:25 AM

The Undead in 5 were just nasty, especially when your skelly archers just kept building up and you had 1k+ of them killing most stacks in 1 attack

Zhukov

Mar 19th, 2010, 12:30 AM

Exactly! Get a few slots of 1k+ and they can do pretty well. I hated zombies though.

Pentegarn

Mar 19th, 2010, 12:38 AM

Zombies had one purpose, meat shields for your archers and liches :P

TheCoolinator

Mar 19th, 2010, 10:47 AM

The Undead in 5 were just nasty, especially when your skelly archers just kept building up and you had 1k+ of them killing most stacks in 1 attack

Exactly! Get a few slots of 1k+ and they can do pretty well. I hated zombies though.

Zombies had one purpose, meat shields for your archers and liches :P

Archers in general are pretty hard core at high levels, there is a spell that you can use that will stop them from being able to use their bows but I think it only lasts one turn. And in HOMM4 the zombie class continues to be just as tough. One of the hardest meat shields to get your troops through.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 19th, 2010, 02:01 PM

I never got a chance to play HOMM V. Was it pretty much III with better graphics?

TheCoolinator

Mar 19th, 2010, 03:16 PM

I never got a chance to play HOMM V. Was it pretty much III with better graphics?

I can't really answer in detail because I only played it for an hour before uninstalling it. I didn't uninstall it because it was bad or anything, I just didn't have time to play it, and still don't :(

From what I remember it's beautifully rendered and the combat is pretty much the same. It actually reminds me more of HOMM3 combat style then HOMM4.

In HOMM4 the heroes have a lot of mobility while I believe in HOMM3 and HOMM5 they are stationary. The heroes can attack though in HOMM5 but you can't move them around the environment. After they hit their target they reset

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 19th, 2010, 03:50 PM

TheCoolinator

Mar 19th, 2010, 04:04 PM

I never got Heroes IV because I saw that the map enemies get their own roam turn where they can just walk over and attack you. I still want to play Heroes V because I heard you can recruit blade dancers who pretty could get away with having the last name of Daermon N'a'shezbaernon. :(

In HOMM3 all enemies are locked in place during battle? I never played it, I just read reviews and saw screen shots.

In HOMM5 the enemies can roam the combat environment just like in HOMM4 but the hero that leads them is stationary.

Dimnos

Mar 19th, 2010, 04:30 PM

What? Stationary enemies? What is this, a game for pussies? Go play Age of Wonders 2.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 19th, 2010, 04:51 PM

In HOMM3 all enemies are locked in place during battle? I never played it, I just read reviews and saw screen shots.

On the world map enemies are locked in place. During combat they move around

In HOMM5 the enemies can roam the combat environment just like in HOMM4 but the hero that leads them is stationary.

That sounds risky.

THE THING YOU SAID ABOUT AGE OF WONDERS

I've never played Age of Wonders....what's that ruckus about

Dimnos

Mar 19th, 2010, 05:28 PM

http://www.tothegame.com/res/game/10/boxshot_us_large.jpg

I havnt ever played a HOMM game but Im guess its a lot of the same thing. You pick a race you want to play (human, elf, orc, goblin, undead, etc.). You have one mighty wizard guy that is supposed to be you. You can also recruit "hero" units to join your regular armies that arent as bad ass as your wizard but are much better than your regulars. One scenario or level takes place on a large area map that has cities all over it, at least one of which is under your control. You can upgrade cities that you control to have different buildings and thus produce different units of your race. Build a wall around it so its easier to defend when attacked. You can also build a wizards tower that will extend the range of your spells so you dont even have to move out of it to nuke enemy units. You can even build a teleportation chamber in the tower so you can teleport to another one of your cities that has a tower. Of course you can always walk but thats for suckers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_Wonders_2

ChrisGlass

Mar 19th, 2010, 07:58 PM

Zhukov

Mar 20th, 2010, 05:05 AM

Yeah, it's like III only a little harder, I think. Obviously new enemies, heroes, races, spells etc.

No lizard people though, which saddens me :(

Kitsunexus

Mar 21st, 2010, 02:28 PM

Can't go wrong with M&M III for the SNES, I've always wanted to play the Amiga version, though. I FUCKING LOVE THE SYNTHBRASS SAMPLE IN THE INTRO.FUCK

Tadao

Mar 21st, 2010, 07:19 PM

bye.

I came back to get my avatar (i deleted it and changed my mind), but no I'm not talking about FF, I'm talking about ED:

http://encyclopediadramatica.com/I-Mockery

After being here for a while (and this time posting more than one or two posts), I've come to the conclusion that they are 100% right. I have my avatar so I'm leaving. Bye.

bye.

Supafly345

Mar 21st, 2010, 08:58 PM

I swear I don't care I just forgot my bags.

Zhukov

Mar 21st, 2010, 11:23 PM

Guys, he's just here to collect his username.

executioneer

Mar 22nd, 2010, 05:57 AM

when i saw this thread i was all "oh man i bet coolinator likes one of the shitty might and magics after 6", and MAN sometimes i hate being right

mm2 is the best might and magic

executioneer

Mar 22nd, 2010, 06:13 AM

oh also: using a 3d environment for an RPG "mmo-style" was DEFINITELY not invented by the Might and Magic series. see: elder scrolls: arena, daggerfall, and battlespire. maybe drakkhen too, although it switched from FPS view to sort of an adventure-game view during combats. Ultima Underworld 1 and 2 also did fps-style RPGs although they didn't have free-roaming outdoors areas.

Kitsunexus

Mar 22nd, 2010, 07:31 AM

bye.

Ummm, yeah....

I'm not leaving, I just wanted a thread to point out the ED page. Had I known that you guys actually WROTE most of it I wouldn't have even bothered. I was going to come back EXACTLY one week from the post but you had to go and fuck that up, so meh. Anyway, I'm not leaving of my own volition. BTW stop being a furry, and stop derailing threads. BACK TO TOPIC.

Was anyone able to play the browser-based M&M before it shut down? I played it once or twice, but back then my Windows box was too slow to do anything in Flash, and I just found out they shut it down. WHY!? It was already post-3D0 so their bankruptcy would have had nothing to do with it. It looked like an amazing game, and just when I finally get a semi-decent computer (that isn't Windows 98) it fucking closes. Fuck.

executioneer

Mar 22nd, 2010, 07:56 AM

i never even heard of any browser-based might and magic. hopefully it was better than the mobile version, which is actually not might and magic in the least but more of a terrible zelda-esque game with very little rpg element at all and not even a little storyline connection (no science fiction + fantasy mixture, for one)

executioneer

Mar 22nd, 2010, 08:13 AM

on a semi-related note: holy shit, someone re-made King's Bounty? haha how did they do that and not get ubisoft up their asses for stealing from heroes of might and magic

TheCoolinator

Mar 22nd, 2010, 08:54 AM

when i saw this thread i was all "oh man i bet coolinator likes one of the shitty might and magics after 6", and MAN sometimes i hate being right

mm2 is the best might and magic

I never got the chance to play the earlier might and magics. Like I said, I started my M&M journey with the 7th one and worked my way up then ironically went back down again to #6.

The only HOMM games I've played was 4-5.

oh also: using a 3d environment for an RPG "mmo-style" was DEFINITELY not invented by the Might and Magic series. see: elder scrolls: arena, daggerfall, and battlespire. maybe drakkhen too, although it switched from FPS view to sort of an adventure-game view during combats. .

I had no idea Elder Scroll looked and played similar to M&M. What's the differences between the? Other then it looks like from the screen shots that you aren't in a 4 man party.

Kitsunexus

Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:30 AM

I never got the chance to play the earlier might and magics.

Emulation is your chance. DO IT.

Also play M&M3 because there is a Space Shuttle at the end. ANACHRONISM FUCK YEAH.

I had no idea Elder Scroll looked and played similar to M&M. What's the differences between the? Other then it looks like from the screen shots that you aren't in a 4 man party.

You can do anything pretty much, it's like GTA Zelda DOOM. I've only ever played Daggerfall, but like you can raid and plunder entire villages, run into houses and catch people completely full-frontal naked, kill almost everything, and it's basically just cool, even though a lot of non-dungeon things look the same and it's basically a DOOM ghost town. The gameworld was stated to be the size of some real-world location, I think Antarctica. 100% FUCK THE STORY NON-LINEAR GO ANYWHERE ORGY PALOOZA! If you can get past the bugs it's the greatest game ever! AND IT'S LEGAL FREEWARE NOW SO YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO PLAY IT!

EDIT: Oh yeah you can piss off the Assasin's club and have killers follow you all over the world map and stuff. They should have made a Cyberpunk Daggerfall. The Terminator games used their same engine "Xngine" but they were completely linear. :(

TheCoolinator

Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:39 AM

Emulation is your chance. DO IT.

Also play M&M3 because there is a Space Shuttle at the end. ANACHRONISM FUCK YEAH.

Can't go wrong with M&M III for the SNES, I've always wanted to play the Amiga version, though. I FUCKING LOVE THE SYNTHBRASS SAMPLE IN THE INTRO.FUCK

I think I may grab the SNES version and give it a whirl tonight.

You can do anything pretty much, it's like GTA Zelda DOOM. I've only ever played Daggerfall, but like you can raid and plunder entire villages, run into houses and catch people completely full-frontal naked, kill almost everything, and it's basically just cool, even though a lot of non-dungeon things look the same and it's basically a DOOM ghost town. The gameworld was stated to be the size of some real-world location, I think Antarctica. 100% FUCK THE STORY NON-LINEAR GO ANYWHERE ORGY PALOOZA! If you can get past the bugs it's the greatest game ever! AND IT'S LEGAL FREEWARE NOW SO YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO PLAY IT!

EDIT: Oh yeah you can piss off the Assasin's club and have killers follow you all over the world map and stuff. They should have made a Cyberpunk Daggerfall. The Terminator games used their same engine "Xngine" but they were completely linear. :(

Sounds great,

I wish back in the day they made a Cyberpunk RPG using the game engine of M&M / Elder Scrolls. That would of been amazing. The only cyber-punk games I've played were Snatchers, Rise Of the Dragon, and Shadowrun. All good games but they were nothing compared to the immersive environments in M&M.

Kitsunexus

Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:40 AM

I think I may grab the SNES version and give it a whirl tonight.

DO IT!

PS: ENABLE MOUSE EMULATION.

Also, the town music in that version is based off of a classical piece that I can't identify. If you could tell me which one it is I WILL LOVE YOU FOREVER!

MarioRPG

Mar 22nd, 2010, 09:56 AM

Honestly, I can't count how many hours I've logged on the HOMM series (2/3 mainly). My cousin and I used to hotseat play them all the time.
Then I got HOMM 3 for myself and played the shit out of it, and still boot it up every now and again.

Also, don't know who said it but yeah, solimar the genie is awesome.

TheCoolinator

Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:08 AM

How does multiplayer work in HOMM?

Kitsunexus

Mar 22nd, 2010, 10:16 AM

How does multiplayer work in HOMM?

Hotseat is like when you have to pass the GBA around in Advance Wars. Basically people taking turns on the same system.

Tadao

Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:19 AM

I don't know about homm1 but I'm seem to remember 2 and 3 being able to link over a lan so that you don't have to hotseat.

TheCoolinator

Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:35 AM

How would it be played if you had a lan / server connection? Would the player be timed in his movements? Or would you have to literally sit there and wait until someone moved.

jhonnyD2

Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:38 AM

thanks ...

TheCoolinator

Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:39 AM

thanks ...

Your Welcome :love

Tadao

Mar 22nd, 2010, 11:40 AM

I don't remember a timer, I think you sit there.

MarioRPG

Mar 23rd, 2010, 09:24 AM

We did hotseat because we only had one computer.

As for online play: Yeah you have to wait around, but turns are timed (1min maybe?) and you can still access your castle and build something (I believe, it's been a long time since I've played online).

Also, fuck you guys, I booted up HOMM3 last night.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 23rd, 2010, 10:00 AM

How would it be played if you had a lan / server connection? Would the player be timed in his movements? Or would you have to literally sit there and wait until someone moved.

You can implement a timer or just sit around and wait.

We did hotseat because we only had one computer.

As for online play: Yeah you have to wait around, but turns are timed (1min maybe?) and you can still access your castle and build something (I believe, it's been a long time since I've played online).

Also, fuck you guys, I booted up HOMM3 last night.

We're lazy so we would just hook up two mice and sit next to each. sometimes a 3rd will LAN a laptop.

TheCoolinator

Mar 23rd, 2010, 02:05 PM

You can implement a timer or just sit around and wait.

That's what I thought.

What's your favorite regular Might & magic game? 7 seems to be the most polished and complete but 6 and 8 are OK as well.

Not many people like 9 but I didn't mind it too much. I cut them a little slack because I knew that 3DO was going down the tubes when they were developing it.

Kitsunexus

Mar 23rd, 2010, 02:18 PM

TheCoolinator

Mar 23rd, 2010, 03:11 PM

Weren't the AD&D 3D0 (as in the 3D0/Panasonic system) games like AD&D: Slayer supposed to be Might & Magic games, but then they obtained the AD&D license? I read that somewhere and I dunno if it's true, but those games rock no matter what.

No idea,

I wouldn't doubt though. It wouldn't be too difficult to change a Might & Magic to D&D or vice versa.

10,000 Volt Ghost

Mar 23rd, 2010, 03:41 PM

That's what I thought.

What's your favorite regular Might & magic game? 7 seems to be the most polished and complete but 6 and 8 are OK as well.

Not many people like 9 but I didn't mind it too much. I cut them a little slack because I knew that 3DO was going down the tubes when they were developing it.

Truthfully I've never played any of the regular Might & magic games. I found a website that had the stories for them and just read them. I seem to think the regular might and magic game that ends with you blasting off in a rocket ship is directly followed by Heroes of Might and Magic I or III. Leaning toward III. Then the following Might and Magic game loops the plot back together. It seemed interesting between the different series how they're connected....I just never had the time or will to play them.

Kitsunexus

Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:22 PM

Truthfully I've never played any of the regular Might & magic games. I found a website that had the stories for them and just read them. I seem to think the regular might and magic game that ends with you blasting off in a rocket ship is directly followed by Heroes of Might and Magic I or III. Leaning toward III. Then the following Might and Magic game loops the plot back together. It seemed interesting between the different series how they're connected....I just never had the time or will to play them.

I was unaware the rocket in III connected to the Heroes series, I always assumed it was just to lead into M&M4 (which I've never played because it wasn't on SNES).

TheCoolinator

Mar 23rd, 2010, 04:32 PM

Truthfully I've never played any of the regular Might & magic games. I found a website that had the stories for them and just read them. I seem to think the regular might and magic game that ends with you blasting off in a rocket ship is directly followed by Heroes of Might and Magic I or III. Leaning toward III. Then the following Might and Magic game loops the plot back together. It seemed interesting between the different series how they're connected....I just never had the time or will to play them.

You should defintely check out M&M 6 or 7. You can either download them off the web or find the discs used somewhere. Bewarned though, the graphics engine is from the stone age so if you ever play it don't allow the ugliness to turn you away.