Fat Kids........

[TheCoolinator]

Widespread use of the sweetener fructose may be directly responsible for some of the ongoing increase in rates of childhood diabetes and obesity, according to a study conducted by researchers from the University of California-Davis and published in the Journal of Clinical Investigation.

Fructose is a sugar that naturally occurs in low amounts in fruits and vegetables, making up as much as 5 to 10 percent of any given fruit by weight. In 1971, however, scientists discovered a way to synthesize a cheap syrup composed of 55 percent fructose and 45 percent glucose. Because normal table sugar is composed of only 50 percent fructose and 50 percent glucose, the sweetener was dubbed "high fructose corn syrup" (HFCS) and quickly became the most popular sweetener in the U.S. food and beverage industry.

HFCS is six times sweeter than sugar and costs only half as much.

Researchers put 16 volunteers on a controlled diet, supplemented with either fructose (derived from corn) or glucose. After 10 weeks, both groups of participants had gained equal amounts of weight. Participants in the fructose group, however, showed an increase of fat cells around major organs including their hearts and livers, and also underwent metabolic changes that are precursors to heart disease and diabetes.

"This is the first evidence we have that fructose increases diabetes and heart disease independently from causing simple weight gain," lead researcher Kimber Stanhope said. "We didn't see any of these changes in the people eating glucose."

The effect seems to occur because fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.

The researchers noted that over the long term, participants on the fructose diet would also have gained more weight.

Health professionals agree that everyone could stand to cut back on their sugar intake.

"Historically, we never consumed much sugar," said Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, and a health policy adviser for the U.S. government. "We're not built to process it."


http://www.naturalnews.com/028698_fructose_diabetes.html



Nothing makes me angrier then a sweaty, over weight, wheezing, fat kid.......STOP EATING!

[Zhukov]

If you stop eating then you die.

[Dimnos]

I smell a death panel rationing out nutrition. >:

[RaNkeri]

I'm having hard time understanding why you are quoting the article in your post.

[Colonel Flagg]

It's because he hates you, RannyK. :\

[Tadao]

You're so fucking fat Rankeri seriously

My lady and I were talking about it and she said she saw a fat American survey just recently that was really really depressing. It went from the 80's till now. There was a super huge jump in the 90's and then in the 2000's they had to add another color to the chart cause Americans got even fatter on a higher average.

This isn't wholly the fault of the younger generations though. This has everything to do with my generation an up making a lot of money on pushing a lazy lifestyle.

[Pentegarn]

I blame chili spaghetti

But if it weren't so damn delicious I wouldn't eat so much of it

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

they had to add another color to the chart cause Americans got even fatter on a higher average.


:lol:lol:lol

[Pentegarn]

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[captain516]

Kids are lazy these days, is all. That and over protective parents won't let them do anything fun.

[Evil Robot]

coolinater thank you for pointing out that fat people are unhealthy I didnt know that until you copy and pasted again.
BTW when are you going to realize that you are a tool?

[Esuohlim]

Kids are lazy because video games are way more fucking fun than going outside any day.

[mew barios]

there were tons of times i had to go play outside as a kid because if those damn rocket ninjas in ninja gaiden killed me one more freaking time i was gonna go murder everyone i ever cared about

[Blasted Child]

I just want to pop in and say that Jethro Tull is an awesome band.

[Esuohlim]

Yeah if you like homos playing flutes. Get out of here, fatty

[Zhukov]

You have to post more, Blasted Child.

Also, I am pretty sure that 8 out of ten of the world's most overweight countries are in Australasia and the South Pacific. :picklehat Suck that America.

[Pentegarn]

Yeah if you like homos playing flutes. Get out of here, fatty

Wait, what's wrong with homos playing flutes?

[Esuohlim]

Nothing I like Jethro Tull too ;_;

[TheCoolinator]

I think there would be less fat kids out there if we made them all do the Truffle Shuffle once or twice a day in front of large groups of people.

[Shrubfest]

I don't get why people say it's the fault of gaming.

Yes, they sit and do no excercise, but surely they won't be consuming anything either? How do you eat marshmallow pizzas whilst going on a raid?
Thoughts please.

[Zhukov]

Raid is WoW right? Anyway, you eat by shoving the lower part of your face into the bowl of food your mother balanced on the computer desk next to you, leaving your hands and eyes free to game.

[TheCoolinator]

marshmallow pizzas

Thoughts please.

Sounds delicious.

But I think the article is alledging that it's do to artificial / High Fructose corn syrup based sweetners that have too high a fructose or glucose level thus making the kids tubby. Not video games. Even though it may contribute to the tubby-ness.

[Tadao]

Shut the fuck up Coolie, she was making a joke. Are you really that fucking stupid? I guess you are.

Hey Coolie, you know who else needs to go outside and get some exercise?

[Fathom Zero]

LOUIE ANDERTHON

[TheCoolinator]

Shut the fuck up Coolie, she was making a joke. Are you really that fucking stupid? I guess you are.

Hey Coolie, you know who else needs to go outside and get some exercise?

So this is what you're using your new Mod powers for? Giving me warnings for no reason.

:lol

Saw that coming from a mile away. I wonder what Mod is going to give you a warning for cursing, putting people down, and adding nothing to the forum as a whole...:lol:lol:lol Let's just say I won't hold my breath.

[The Leader]

Did he actually give you an infraction or do you just think mocking posts are a warning?

[Tadao]

He got an infraction and decided the best thing to do was ignore my warnings.

[10,000 Volt Ghost]

Can you be logged in and banned?

[The Leader]

Yes.

[Sam]

IF I WAS A MOD

THIS WOULD HAVE PLAYED OUT THE EXACT SAME WAY, BUT WITH MORE CURSING ON MY PART.

WELL DONE, TADAO.

[Tadao]

He was slowly working his way to a 1 day ban, but then he went and blew his wad way too early. I tried to flick his balls like Terra sugested, but that just excited him waaaay too much. :(

[Chojin]

I reversed two of the infractions because one of them was classed inappropriately and the other was kinda frivolous.

The one with all the laughing emoticons and LOL MODS R FAGS I agree with infracting though.

[Tadao]

But people in power and conspiracy and America? How can he martyr himself now? :(

[Pentegarn]

I wonder what Mod is going to give you a warning for cursing, putting people down, and adding nothing to the forum as a whole...:lol:lol:lol Let's just say I won't hold my breath.

That's pretty much how we are all supposed to act here.

There is no rule barring cussing

there is no rule barring putting people down (if you want that, go to i-courteous.com)

adding nothing to the forum is a subjective judgment, Tadao adds laughter

Feel free to respond to this if you come back in a month

[Sam]

I reversed two of the infractions because one of them was classed inappropriately and the other was kinda frivolous.

The one with all the laughing emoticons and LOL MODS R FAGS I agree with infracting though.

I BELIEVE I HAVE SOME FRIVOLOUS INFRACTIONS THAT NEED TO BE REVERSED.

AT LEAST ONE OF THEM. >:

[Tadao]

I have 3 of them, BUT I TOOK IT LIKE A MAN!

[Sam]

I DON'T NEED THE WHITE MAN AND THE YELLOW MAN OPPRESSING MY FREE BLACK SPIRIT.

[Dimnos]

Back to fat kids damn it. >:

http://www.breaktaker.com/albums/pictures/kids/FatKid.jpg

[Kitsa]

I'm confused about Coolie :(

I looked like one of those bigeyed kids from (insert famine-stricken locale here) until I was about 14. Then I don't know what the fuck happened, but now I look like Mme Thernardier (http://www.heidianderson.net/mt14closesm.jpg) :(

[Tadao]

http://www.cdc.gov/obesity/data/trends.html

[Pentegarn]

According to that I am obese.

[Zhukov]

Don't ban Coolie he's a great punching bag that this forum sorely requires. :\

[Zhukov]

Also, what are "Referrals" in ones profile all about?

[iluvmilk]

Fat people are fat because:

They eat too much-obviously
They are selfish
They may have emotion/psychological problems-but still not an excuse cuz they can use that pain and use it for something good...
They do not seek help to help themselves
They are stupid
They love food
They are bored
They don't notice when they are sitting down, playing video games, watching movies, sitting down
They are fatsos
They are like me.

[Blasted Child]

You have to post more, Blasted Child.


hm, okay...let's see.

I think without Coolinator, this forum has lost a bit of the much-needed dynamics it had going for a while.

Except for this very thread about fat kids, which didn't bring any originality at all (I can only speak for myself, but I get insta-bored when people try to evoke reactions by being exceedingly politically incorrect á la South Park (just because South Park does it well doesn't mean you do it well)) I think his activity here at least resulted in some decent comedy. It was lengthy at times, and a tad repetitious, but it made people engaged in the forum.

[Zhukov]

No, I completely agree with you. It's a tried and true structure of this forum that has been going on for years. Ronnie Raygun, Vincezeb, One and Only, Kulturkampf... and now Coolinator. Someone to beat on and laugh at, basically, but with an air of respectability that comes with a political/philosophy board.

This is a comedy site, and I come to the political forum for comedy with politics, and in between that some actual serious and interesting discussions can be had.

The best part is that these characters are more than willing to embarrass themselves for our entertainment.

[Fathom Zero]

Quit wanting, you'll last longer.

[TheCoolinator]

I think it's just the food. If people were eating stuff without synthetics, preservatives, GMO, transfats, High Fructose corn syrups (I.E. Liquid fat) then we would see a lot nicer looking people. Instead of the water buffalo we have at present.

People need to eat. It doesn't mean they're selfish. It just means they're hungry. We need educated consumers. That's the solutions.

[Chojin]

I think it's just the food. If people were eating stuff without synthetics, preservatives, GMO, transfats, High Fructose corn syrups (I.E. Liquid fat) then we would see a lot nicer looking people. Instead of the water buffalo we have at present.

People need to eat. It doesn't mean they're selfish. It just means they're hungry. We need educated consumers. That's the solutions.

wat.

chemicals don't make people fat, calories do. if you eat more calories than you use, you will become fat. it doesn't matter what the calories are. you could eat a big mac every day and lose weight if that's the only thing you ate, and a guy that eats nothing but 20 boxes of "leancuisine" dinners every day would gain weight.

it isn't a terribly difficult concept to grasp, but every woman I talk to has the same retarded opinions about magic fat chemicals the evil government has added to our american diet.

[TheCoolinator]

Your right to an extent,

People who eat more calories than they use will gain weight. I understand that but the issue here is chemicals, preservatives, Genetically modified organism, and different form of food (HFCS) that have never been used before by the bodies. Most of these synthetic ingredients have trouble being digested and often get stored in fat deposits.

High Fructose Corn syrup and Aspartme have been linked to pancreatic disorders similar to diabetes and GMOs have been linked to wide spread organ failure.

Like I said you're right but there is more than meets the eye.

[Zhukov]

Yes, but The Coolinator believes that the government puts fluoride in the water to harm you.

[TheCoolinator]

Yes, but The Coolinator believes that the government puts fluoride in the water to harm you.

1. Can you post a quote of me saying that?

2. You think Fluoride is good for you? :\

[Esuohlim]

2. You think Fluoride is good for you? :\

Uh, it is.

Speaking as a materials scientist/engineer and therefore the resident EXPERT, I can lay some hard science on you about what fluorine does to hydroxyapatite on the atomic and microstructural level, so mind your p's and q's

[TheCoolinator]

Sodium Fluoride.

Why does it say it's a poison on the back of every tooth paste tube? And why has it been assigned a hazard class of 6.1 (Poison) according to the US Department of transportation hazardous material regulations?

[Chojin]

People who eat more calories than they use will gain weight. I understand that but the issue here is chemicals, preservatives, Genetically modified organism, and different form of food (HFCS) that have never been used before by the bodies. Most of these synthetic ingredients have trouble being digested and often get stored in fat deposits.

lol, no.

if your body can't digest something, it gets passed into your bowel (for example, insoluble fiber). why on earth would our physiology be designed to pass things that we can't digest into fat deposits? if we can't digest it, why could we burn it for fuel? and if we could burn things we can't digest into fuel, why do we even bother to eat food? we could just chow down on dirt and gravel all day.

trans fats are bad because they increase harmful cholesterol levels (there are good types of cholesterol). all the same, your body produces all the cholesterol it needs and will actually limit the amount it outputs when you get more of it from your food. basically, you can eat all the bad or good cholesterol you want within reasonable limits. trans fats make you fat because they're dense and have a lot of calories. also, fat has a higher calorie count per gram than other nutrients.

High Fructose Corn syrup and Aspartme have been linked to pancreatic disorders similar to diabetes and GMOs have been linked to wide spread organ failure.

Sugar has also been 'linked' to diabetes because diabetes involves insulin production and blood sugar levels. Therefore, fructose (fruit sugar), sucrose (table sugar), and any other sweetener will also be 'linked' to diseases caused by...a change in blood sugar. GASP

Like I said you're right but there is more than meets the eye.

i invite you to actually look up the things you claim

[Esuohlim]

Sodium Fluoride.

Why does it say it's a poison on the back of every tooth paste tube? And why has it been assigned a hazard class of 6.1 (Poison) according to the US Department of transportation hazardous material regulations?

Because the amount put into the water is nowhere near a harmful dose by any stretch of the imagination. I could list a hundred things that you come into contact with every single day that contain extremely toxic substances (electronics, for example) and it's pretty much impossible to die from or be harmed by them

[Chojin]

carbon dioxide is also a poison

better stop breathing

[Tadao]

Don't use any cleaners when you wash you dishes, all that stuff leaves poison on your plates and forks.

[Zhukov]

They say that the tiniest trickle of water will eventually forge the widest of rivers from what was once a mighty mountain.

Better stop drinking that water.

[Tadao]

I bet Coolies breath smells awful.

[Zhukov]

:lol


Also;

I know, it's horrible. Basically they make all milk imported into the state extremely cheap, and all milk production here is either shut down, or crippled to a point where it can't function. This means that all mothers feed their children with government supplied milk. Milk that has less vitamins, minerals and calcium, while having more chemicals such as ammonium and fluoride.

I'm glad to see someone else knows about the dangers of fluoride. Here in the states peoples have been indoctrinated to believe it's actually good for them.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69704439&page=4


See? When someone asks a question (several times, even) you answer them directly rather than post a link to a blog about some other shit.

[TheCoolinator]

I didn't say the government puts it in. Even though they do put it in some municipal water supplies. You made it sound like it was a giant conspiracy when its all out in the open.

The Fluoride deception is a good, free Documentary on google video that may shed some light on the subject.

[Esuohlim]

My posts are a good free documentary to shed light on the subject too

[Tadao]

Coolie, what are you eating today?

I plan on a day full of Tecate and tacos from a truck.

[The Leader]

Coolie, could you address the counter points in Milhouse's post?

[Dimnos]

As if. :lol

[Zhukov]

I didn't say the government puts it in. Even though they do put it in some municipal water supplies. You made it sound like it was a giant conspiracy when its all out in the open.

The Fluoride deception is a good, free Documentary on google video that may shed some light on the subject.

Fair enough, I was exaggerating for humour so I wont stick to the fact that you said it was the government.

See? People backing down from meaningless facts rather than defending them furiously before ignoring them once proven wrong. It happens.


So who does put the fluoride in the water? Peter Olzslag?

[The Leader]

Peter Olzslag drives an ice cream truck covered in human skulls.

[Zhukov]

:lol

The infamous "helaldo van de la muerte".

[TheCoolinator]

if your body can't digest something, it gets passed into your bowel (for example, insoluble fiber). why on earth would our physiology be designed to pass things that we can't digest into fat deposits? if we can't digest it, why could we burn it for fuel? and if we could burn things we can't digest into fuel, why do we even bother to eat food? we could just chow down on dirt and gravel all day.

They don't always pass through the bowels, most of the time they get absorbed and stored in fat deposits. They also cause damage to the intestines and other organs which makes digestion inefficient.


you can eat all the bad or good cholesterol you want within reasonable limits. trans fats make you fat because they're dense and have a lot of calories. also, fat has a higher calorie count per gram than other nutrients.

I think the first part of your statement is somewhat contradictory. If there are "limits" then you can't eat all you want...right?

And we aren't making the distinction of which foods the individual is eating. Sythetic / GMO or organic. This in itself really has a large impact on how fat a person is and how healthy they are. Food additive free diets are proven to produce quick results in the health of a regular individual no matter the age.


MSG-Induced Obesity
MSG is injected into laboratory rats to induce obesity. It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens. Scientists in Spain have recently concluded that MSG when given to mice increase appetite by as much as 40%.

http://www.msgtruth.org/obesity.htm (http://www.msgtruth.org/obesity.htm)



Sugar has also been 'linked' to diabetes because diabetes involves insulin production and blood sugar levels. Therefore, fructose (fruit sugar), sucrose (table sugar), and any other sweetener will also be 'linked' to diseases caused by...a change in blood sugar. GASP


High fructose corn syrup is not sugar. Its a synthetic based sweetner which are grown from genetically modified corn. The phrase "High Fructose" in HFCS indicates that it has a higher fructose level. This higher level of fructose puts a lot of pressure on the body. There is a difference between sugar and sweetners and they have very different effects on the people who use them.


"Historically, we never consumed much sugar," said Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, and a health policy adviser for the U.S. government. "We're not built to process it."


And this quote is from the original article at the beginning of the thread. The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

[Esuohlim]

The phrase "High Fructose" in HFCS indicates that it has a higher fructose level.

Well here's one sentence we can all agree upon at least

[TheCoolinator]

Well here's one sentence we can all agree upon at least

Then we can also agree that this synthetic form of sweetner has a different chemical make up than normal sugar. Which would then lead us to believe that synthetic forms of food and food additives are the most likely culprit to obesity.

[Dimnos]

http://beta.images.theglobeandmail.com/archive/00043/DunceCap_43426a.JPG

You sure do buddy. You sure do. :)

[Esuohlim]

Then we can also agree that this synthetic form of sweetner has a different chemical make up than normal sugar. Which would then lead us to believe that synthetic forms of food and food additives are the most likely culprit to obesity.

If you think you're so smart how come you can't tell when you're being mocked

[TheCoolinator]

If you think you're so smart how come you can't tell when you're being mocked

I don't think I'm smart and I just don't react to the mocking. Why react when you can just continue the conversation?

[Colonel Flagg]

Sodium Fluoride.

Why does it say it's a poison on the back of every tooth paste tube? And why has it been assigned a hazard class of 6.1 (Poison) according to the US Department of transportation hazardous material regulations?

Actually, toothpaste contains Sodium Monofluorophosphate. And while you can't eat it straight, in toothpaste it has been clinically shown to reduce the incidence of tooth decay. By the way, that's why you've been told since you've been old enough to understand that you aren't supposed to eat toothpaste - you brush, rinse and spit. Same with fluoride rinses (ACT, Phos-flur, etc).

Sodium fluoride is used in fluoridation of water, and is present in such low doses so the beneficial effects (reduction of tooth decay) far outweigh any potential health effects (fluorosis, digestive issues).

As far as ingesting a "poison", well you'll most likely suffer some severe digestive consequences if you eat straight capsaicin, but that doesn't stop people from eating habañero peppers.

[Tadao]

I don't think I'm smart and I just don't react to the mocking. Why react when you can just continue the conversation?

Because, this isn't I-Continuetheconversationery.com

[Colonel Flagg]

I didn't say the government puts it in. Even though they do put it in some municipal water supplies. You made it sound like it was a giant conspiracy when its all out in the open.

The Fluoride deception is a good, free Documentary on google video that may shed some light on the subject.

Coolie, don't be a sheep. Don't believe what you see on "google video" and go read a biochemistry book, or even look up the FDA regulations where they incorporate the experimental data on the health benefits of fluoridation by reference.

Seriously it costs money to fluoridate water. Why on earth would we spend money doing something that would cause us harm?

Oh, now I've done it. IT'S A DEATH PANEL CONSPIRACY!!!!!

[RaNkeri]

The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

You shouldn't believe everything you read, nor take it literally. One proof of the fact that human GI tract is build to process sugars are the various glucosidases we have.

We aren't built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives etc., they are built to mimic the ingredients that we can process.

[TheCoolinator]

Sodium fluoride is used in fluoridation of water, and is present in such low doses so the beneficial effects (reduction of tooth decay) far outweigh any potential health effects (fluorosis, digestive issues)..

Look closely Zhukov,

Potential health effects? Meaning bone cancer, lowered IQ levels, neurological diseases, and birth defects?

Beneficial effects? Fluorosis isn't a beneficial effect. The fluoride they use is a by product of aluminum smelting plants. It isn't calcium fluoride as in the mineral. It's Sodium fluoride as in the poison.

Sodium fluoride was first used in concentration camps during the second world war to create an atmosphere of docility amongst the inmates. Sodium fluoride has also been used in laboratory experiments on rats to observe their behavior. All of which were found to be negative effects on the animals.

and.....


Kangaroos poisoned by fluoride

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/23/2827687.htm (http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/23/2827687.htm)


I bet those Kangaroos have bright healthy smiles now. Thank god they got a nice dose of fluoride.

[Esuohlim]

THE AMOUNT OF SODIUM FLUORIDE IN WATER IS NOWHERE NEAR A HARMFUL DOSE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I posted this once already. Read it this time.

Plus you completely misunderstood the Flagg post you just quoted

[TheCoolinator]

THE AMOUNT OF SODIUM FLUORIDE IN WATER IS NOWHERE NEAR A HARMFUL DOSE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I posted this once already. Read it this time.

Plus you completely misunderstood the Flagg post you just quoted

But it's still considered a poison? I don't understand the disconnect here. Either it's a poison or it isn't. It doesn't matter how low the quantity is, it's still in there and people are still drinking, bathing, cooking, and cleaning their clothes in it.

Why should I brush my teeth with a paste that says "Warning call poison control "on it? And how much of it is getting absorbed into my gums and then into my blood stream? I don't feel comfortable with that at all. Nor am I comfortable with the government medicating their populations with a well know industrial poison.

[RaNkeri]

You know, most of the medicines people use are poisonous when taken in great amounts, maybe they should not be prescribed at all?

[Tadao]

That's like how when I called Carbon Monoxide a poison and you said how it's not.

[Esuohlim]

People clean their clothes with bleach too. Are you really this stupid?

[Colonel Flagg]

THE AMOUNT OF SODIUM FLUORIDE IN WATER IS NOWHERE NEAR A HARMFUL DOSE. NOT EVEN CLOSE.

I posted this once already. Read it this time.

Plus you completely misunderstood the Flagg post you just quoted

It isn't the first time, nor will it be the last. :rolleyes

But it's still considered a poison? I don't understand the disconnect here. Either it's a poison or it isn't. It doesn't matter how low the quantity is, it's still in there and people are still drinking, bathing, cooking, and cleaning their clothes in it.

Why should I brush my teeth with a paste that says "Warning call poison control "on it? And how much of it is getting absorbed into my gums and then into my blood stream? I don't feel comfortable with that at all. Nor am I comfortable with the government medicating their populations with a well know industrial poison.

Munching on a bar of potassium would probably be fatal, and injecting potassium solution into the bloodstream can kill you, but neither of these facts take away from the fact that your body NEEDS potassium to function properly.

Again, buy a biochemistry textbook. Read it. Understand it. And don't believe every darned blog and video you come across on the internet.

[Colonel Flagg]

I think I may have just come up with a solution. Stop eating and drinking. That will prevent "them" from contaminating my bodily fluids.

[Colonel Flagg]

That's like how when I called Carbon Monoxide a poison and you said how it's not.

When was this? And how did I miss this? :lol

[Tadao]

It was in the Climate debate threads. I am tipsy, though.

[TheCoolinator]

You know, most of the medicines people use are poisonous when taken in great amounts, maybe they should not be prescribed at all?

People don't take medicine in great amounts and most designer drugs today can be swapped with organic suppliments instead.

Vioxx anyone?



Munching on a bar of potassium would probably be fatal, and injecting potassium solution into the bloodstream can kill you, but neither of these facts take away from the fact that your body NEEDS potassium to function properly.

The human body doesn't need Sodium fluoride to function properly. It's actually the opposite, it doesn't function properly WITH sodium fluoride because its a poison and affects the nervous system, skeletal structure, and numerous other organs systems.

just type in MSDS sodium fluoride.




Again, buy a biochemistry textbook. Read it. Understand it. And don't believe every darned blog and video you come across on the internet.

I can't disprove the fluoride deception documentary. Free on google video.

[Tadao]

In fact I meant Dioxide. DON'T JUDGE ME!

[Esuohlim]

The air you breathe has more poison in it than your goddamn sodium fluoride toothpaste you mongoloid

[RaNkeri]

People don't take medicine in great amounts and most designer drugs today can be swapped with organic suppliments instead.


People don't use tooth paste in great amounts, nor drink water in great amounts

[RaNkeri]

I can't disprove common sense

[TheCoolinator]

People don't use tooth paste in great amounts, nor drink water in great amounts

But prescription medication is prescribed in specific amounts for a specific amount of time.

You cannot measure the intake of Sodium fluoride because you constantly coming in contact with it. Every day you get up brush your teeth, Sodium fluoride gets absorbed in your gums and soft tissue, you may swallow some of it as well, then you drink some water with sodium fluoride in it, then you make food with sodium fluoride water.

How much sodium fluoride does a person ingest throughout the day? and is it safe?

[Dimnos]

But it's still considered a poison? I don't understand the disconnect here. Either it's a poison or it isn't. It doesn't matter how low the quantity is, it's still in there and people are still drinking, bathing, cooking, and cleaning their clothes in it.

http://www.eulipia.com/Eulipia-Bar.jpg

Why should I brush my teeth with a paste that says "Warning call poison control "on it? And how much of it is getting absorbed into my gums and then into my blood stream? I don't feel comfortable with that at all. Nor am I comfortable with the government medicating their populations with a well know industrial poison.

http://4pack.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/bad-teeth1.jpg

[RaNkeri]

Prescription free drugs can be lethal in great amounts.

Vitamins are lethal in great amounts

The list goes on

[TheCoolinator]

Prescription free drugs can be lethal in great amounts.

Vitamins are lethal in great amounts

The list goes on

Yes, but,

Sodium Fluoride is not a drug nor is it a vitamin. It's a poison and has no medicinal value.

[RaNkeri]

Sodium fluoride has medical value

it is not poisonous if not taken in great amounts

[Tadao]

Osteoporosis for one.

[RaNkeri]

and fluoroapatite in teeth

[TheCoolinator]

Sodium fluoride has medical value

it is not poisonous if not taken in great amounts

No,

It's still poisonous and it still causes harm in any amounts and there is no way of measuring your intake, especially if its added to drinking water.

It's coded as 6.1 Poison.

Calcium Suppliments are not coded 6.1, they aren't hazardous.

Sodium fluoride is, Poisons are not medicine.

If you want to dispose of Sodium Fluoride you have to call up a Hazardous Material disposal service and actually pay large amounts of money to have them cart it away.

[RaNkeri]

there is about 0,5-1 mg of sodium fluoride in a litre of water. For a person who weighs 70 kg harmful dose of sodium fluoride would be 5-10 g in a day. That means you'd have to drink ludicrous amounts of water. You'd die of water intoxication before getting fluoride poisoning.

[Tadao]

BUT WE DON'T KNOW THE FUTURE CONSEQUENCES, SO THAT AUTOMATICALLY MAKES IT BAD!

[TheCoolinator]

there is about 0,5-1 mg of sodium fluoride in a litre of water. For a person who weighs 70 kg harmful dose of sodium fluoride would be 5-10 g in a day. That means you'd have to drink ludicrous amounts of water. You'd die of water intoxication before getting fluoride poisoning.

So what you're saying is that a poison is no long a poison anymore because its in low amounts? How does it stop being a poison and turn into a medicine through dilution? Because poisons usually stay poisons. Also, What about the cumulative effects over many years?




Composition/Information on Ingredients

Ingredient CAS No Percent Hazardous --------- Sodium Fluoride 7681-49-4 100% Yes

3. Hazards Identification

Emergency Overview -------------------------- DANGER! MAY BE FATAL IF SWALLOWED OR INHALED. AFFECTS RESPIRATORY SYSTEM, HEART, SKELETON, CIRCULATORY SYSTEM, CENTRAL NERVOUS SYSTEM AND KIDNEYS. CAUSES IRRITATION TO SKIN, EYES AND RESPIRATORY TRACT. IRRITATION EFFECTS MAY BE DELAYED. ....Health Rating: 3 - Severe (Poison)....Proper Shipping Name: SODIUM FLUORIDE, SOLID Hazard Class: 6.1 UN/NA: UN1690 Packing Group: III Information reported for product/size: 250LB http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/S3722.htm

And you can call up that number on the Material Safety Data Sheet and ask them if that should be added to drinking water.

[RaNkeri]

With your logic anything can be poison. Medicines, vitamins, NaCl, water, zinc, copper, iron....


It feels like I'm having a conversation with a 5-year-old

[Colonel Flagg]

Munching on a bar of potassium would probably be fatal, and injecting potassium solution into the bloodstream can kill you, but neither of these facts take away from the fact that your body NEEDS potassium to function properly.

The human body doesn't need Sodium fluoride to function properly. It's actually the opposite, it doesn't function properly WITH sodium fluoride because its a poison and affects the nervous system, skeletal structure, and numerous other organs systems.

just type in MSDS sodium fluoride.

<sigh>

I was citing an example (as many others have as well) that certain chemicals are beneficial in small doses, yet toxic in large doses. Hell, Vitamin A can kill you - just ask anyone who's eaten fugu.

Read this part very carefully:

Sodium fluoride, in appropriately small doses, has been clinically proven to reduce the incidence of tooth decay without harmful side effects.

Don't believe me? Fine, buy, read and understand a biochemistry textbook, or ask a dentist. :rolleyes


Again, buy a biochemistry textbook. Read it. Understand it. And don't believe every darned blog and video you come across on the internet.

I can't disprove the fluoride deception documentary. Free on google video.

You get what you pay for.

Don't be a sheep. Please. Think for yourself, make your own arguments and opinions, and don't parrot those of internet bloggers.

[TheCoolinator]

Don't believe me? Fine, buy, read and understand a biochemistry textbook, or ask a dentist.

Still looks like a poison to me. I don't use it. Haven't had a cavity in years.

I just want to know when did Poisons get lumped into the same category of Vitamins and Prescription Drugs?

I don't see people selling mercury or lead suppliments?

[Tadao]

You guys really feel that proving an idiot wrong on the same point 6 times an hour is better than what we had before he showed up?

Wow.

[TheCoolinator]

You guys really feel that proving an idiot wrong on the same point 6 times an hour is better than what we had before he showed up?

Wow.

I don't see any proof that its not a poison. All the people in here keep saying is that if you dilute a poison and feed it to people then its not a poison anymore.

:lol

[The Leader]

It's fun and it makes us feel good about ourselves.

[Tadao]

Kinda like how if you get bit by a rattlesnake, it's better to not take the antidote.

[The Leader]

Everything we ingest is poison by your logic.

[TheCoolinator]

It's fun and it makes us feel good about ourselves.

Ok. :love

Going back into the video game forum now. I'll come back later when you guys have finished watching the Fluoride Deception.

..free on google video!

[The Leader]

Yes, because everyone is as mindless and poorly educated as you and can be swayed by a movie on google video.

[Colonel Flagg]

I just want to know when did Poisons get lumped into the same category of Vitamins and Prescription Drugs?

Didn't I just say that Vitamin A will kill you - in a high enough concentration it's a neurotoxin. Does that qualify as a poison?

STOP TAKING VITAMIN A IT'S A POISON. DON'T EAT CARROTS!

[RaNkeri]

I don't see any proof that its not a poison.

Reasonable amounts of it won't kill us
It has medical value
We have it in water, yet people aren't dying from fluoride poisoning


I'm done, this is getting retarded

[Dimnos]

So what you're saying is that a poison is no long a poison anymore because its in low amounts?

Arsenic, cyanide, chemotherapy and just about any muscle relaxer.

[TheCoolinator]

Didn't I just say that Vitamin A will kill you - in a high enough concentration it's a neurotoxin. Does that qualify as a poison?

STOP TAKING VITAMIN A IT'S A POISON. DON'T EAT CARROTS!

Vitamin A is not classified as a poison. It's not an industrial waste product and is not added to your water supply.


Reasonable amounts of it won't kill us
It has medical value
We have it in water, yet people aren't dying from fluoride poisoning


I'm done, this is getting retarded

Reasonable amounts? How about none. I don't want any. Is that reasonable enough for you?

If you want to ingest a well know poison fine. If you want to be publically medicated against your will fine. But I'm not taking this stuff. It's a poison. It makes people sick. It has no medicinal value. Sodium Fluoride is an industrial waste product.

Read the MSDS ^

[Esuohlim]

And don't even think about drinking a beer :eek

[Tadao]

It's fun and it makes us feel good about ourselves.

He has a blog you can go to. JUST SAYING.

[TheCoolinator]

And don't even think about drinking a beer :eek

Do they add beer to the water supply? Do you brush your teeth everyday with beer?

[Dimnos]

Still looks like a poison to me. I don't use it. Haven't had a cavity in years.

What do you clean your teeth with then?

[Tadao]

IT'S NOT LIKE ANYONE HERE THINKS YOU'RE SMART CAUSE YOU PROOVED A POINT AGAINST COOLIE.

[TheCoolinator]

What do you clean your teeth with then?

I brush my teeth with a non-fluoride brand of toothpaste that doesn't say "POISON: IF INGESTED CALL POISON CONTROL" on the tube, and my teeth are fine.

[Tadao]

KINDA MAKES YOU LOOK WEAK. YOU KNOW, LIKE WHEN YOU TRIPPED A SKINNY LITTLE KID TO IMPRESS THAT GIRL, AND SHE FELT BAD FOR HIM INSTEAD OF THINKING YOU WERE TOUGH?

[RaNkeri]

Man, I bet you can't shower either, you might accidentally ingest some water

[TheCoolinator]

Man, I bet you can't shower either, you might accidentally ingest some water

My water supply isn't fluoridated.

[RaNkeri]

GUYS, MY TOOTH PASTE HAS SODIUM FLUORIDE IN IT.

THERES NO WARNING ABOUT POISON => SODIUM FLUORIDE ISN'T POISONOUS

CASE PROVED

[TheCoolinator]

GUYS, MY TOOTH PASTE HAS SODIUM FLUORIDE IN IT.

THERES NO WARNING ABOUT POISON => SODIUM FLUORIDE ISN'T POISONOUS

CASE PROVED

Brand? Picture?

[Dimnos]

Brand? Picture?

I could ask you the same thing.

[Esuohlim]

Do they add beer to the water supply? Do you brush your teeth everyday with beer?

Uh, no, alcohol is a poison. In small amounts it's ok, but that doesn't mean it's still not a poison. I refuse!

[TheCoolinator]

I could ask you the same thing.

Desert Essence
Dr.Ken
Toms of Maine

[Esuohlim]

Coolinator do you enjoy the occasional alcoholic beverage?

[TheCoolinator]

Coolinator do you enjoy the occasional alcoholic beverage?

More personal questions?

[Colonel Flagg]

Desert Essence
Dr.Ken
Toms of Maine

I assume this means you brush your teeth with "Tom's of Maine" toothpaste, yes?

:lol

[Tadao]

I bet he rubs his armpits with Arm and Hammer mixed with the juice of a million mint leaves.

[Dimnos]

Desert Essence has tea tree oil. :lol

Tea tree oil should not be used orally; there are reports of toxicity after consuming tea tree oil by mouth.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tea-tree-oil/NS_patient-teatreeoil

Dr. Ken uses SODIUM FLUORIDE. :eek

http://www.drkens.net/contact.asp

Toms does have a fluoride free paste but even they say

Fluoride is currently the only toothpaste ingredient recognized by the US Food and Drug Administration to prevent cavities.

Their fluoride free paste instead uses glycerin which is only mildly toxic when ingested. However the way you tell it, toxic is toxic.

They also use hydrated silica which will wear away tooth enamel. :\

[Tadao]

I'm sure he won't completely ignore that. Give yourself 5 proving Coolie wrong points.

[Dimnos]

I want him to completely ignore it. I want him to ignore it to the point he just shuts up about it. Probably not going to happen though.

[Dimnos]

Oh and just to keep us on track.

http://www.wiiwii.tv/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/fat-kid.jpg

[TheCoolinator]

Desert Essence has tea tree oil. :lol

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tea-tree-oil/NS_patient-teatreeoil

Dr. Ken uses SODIUM FLUORIDE. :eek

http://www.drkens.net/contact.asp

Toms does have a fluoride free paste but even they say

Their fluoride free paste instead uses glycerin which is only mildly toxic when ingested. However the way you tell it, toxic is toxic.

They also use hydrated silica which will wear away tooth enamel. :\


There are non-Fluoride brands. I use those.

Also, Sodium Fluoride is the main ingredient in rat poison.

[Grislygus]

Oh, for fuck's sake

FAT KIDS WERE PRETTY FUNNY IN SCHOOL, THEY RAN AWAY AND SHOOK LIKE JELLO JIGGLERS WHEN OTHER CHILDREN THREW HALF-EATEN SANDWICHES AND LUNCHBOXES AT THEM AND THAT SUMS UP EVERYTHING YOU NEED TO KNOW ABOUT HIGH-FRUCTOSE CORN SYRUP NO NEED TO THANK ME YOU CAN STOP ADDING TO THE CONVERSATION NOW

[TheCoolinator]

I'm going to make a new thread just for Sodium fluoride.

[Grislygus]

YOU WOULDN'T THROW YOUR HOSTESS SNACKS AT THEM, THEY WERE TOO SOFT TO HURT AND WOULD ACTUALLY BE MISCONSTRUED AS A REWARD. IT WAS A ROOKIE MOVE, PRETTY MUCH

[Grislygus]

OF COURSE, YOU COULD THROW THEIR HOSTESS SNACKS AT THEM, PROVIDED YOU SMASHED THEM FIRST. IF IT WAS A PACKAGE OF TWINKIES OR SWISS ROLLS YOU COULD DO IT TWICE. BECAUSE THERE WERE TWO PER PACK. IT WASN'T JUST FUNNY BECAUSE THE FAT KID'S FEELINGS WERE HURT, IT WAS ALSO FUNNY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU WOULD WASTE A TWINKIE.

IF THE FAT KID STARTED CRYING AND TRIED TO EAT THE SMASHED TREAT THROUGH THEIR OWN TEARS YOU WERE THE COOL KID FOR THE DAY

[TheCoolinator]

YOU WOULDN'T THROW YOUR HOSTESS SNACKS AT THEM, THEY WERE TOO SOFT TO HURT AND WOULD ACTUALLY BE MISCONSTRUED AS A REWARD. IT WAS A ROOKIE MOVE, PRETTY MUCH

I used to be very fond of those little Debbie chocolate cakes with the white icing. If I was a fat kid I'd love to get my hands on those. :love

[Grislygus]

I WAS ABOVE THAT, OF COURSE. I WAS OF AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE. IF YOU QUIETLY OPENED THEIR BACKPACKS IN CLASS YOU COULD STEAL THEIR TREATS AND SWITCH THEM WITH A SMALL ZIPLOC BAG WITH CARROTS AND CELERY IN IT. YOU UNLOADED PART OF THE CRAPPY LUNCH THAT YOUR RESPONSIBLE PARENT GAVE YOU AND YOU MADE THE FAT KID WANT TO CRY BECAUSE THEIR MOM WASN'T GIVING THEM NICE THINGS ANY MORE.

THEN AT LUNCHTIME YOU WOULD MAKE SAY THAT THEIR MOM GAVE THEM CARROTS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT WHILE YOU ATE THEIR CUPCAKE AND CHIPS

[Grislygus]

BONUS POINTS IF THEIR MOM HAD SNUCK THEM A SODA AND YOU MANAGED TO STEAL THAT TOO

[Tadao]

I WAS ABOVE THAT, OF COURSE. I WAS OF AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE. IF YOU QUIETLY OPENED THEIR BACKPACKS IN CLASS YOU COULD STEAL THEIR TREATS AND SWITCH THEM WITH A SMALL ZIPLOC BAG WITH CARROTS AND CELERY IN IT. YOU UNLOADED PART OF THE CRAPPY LUNCH THAT YOUR RESPONSIBLE PARENT GAVE YOU AND YOU MADE THE FAT KID WANT TO CRY BECAUSE THEIR MOM WASN'T GIVING THEM NICE THINGS ANY MORE.

THEN AT LUNCHTIME YOU WOULD MAKE SAY THAT THEIR MOM GAVE THEM CARROTS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT WHILE YOU ATE THEIR CUPCAKE AND CHIPS

:lol

[Chojin]

They don't always pass through the bowels, most of the time they get absorbed and stored in fat deposits.

source? because that's stupid.

I think the first part of your statement is somewhat contradictory. If there are "limits" then you can't eat all you want...right?

it's not contradictory. "you can eat all you want within limits." it's maybe slightly redundant? why cannot you english

Food additive free diets are proven to produce quick results in the health of a regular individual no matter the age.

health? yes. fat? no.

MSG is injected into laboratory rats to induce obesity. It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens. Scientists in Spain have recently concluded that MSG when given to mice increase appetite by as much as 40%.

msg is actually pretty natural (no less natural than table sugar, anyway). it's contained naturally in beets and seaweed, among other things. but why bring up msg? we were talking about trans fats.

High fructose corn syrup is not sugar. Its a synthetic based sweetner which are grown from genetically modified corn. The phrase "High Fructose" in HFCS indicates that it has a higher fructose level.

Fructose itself is a sugar contained in fruits. I understand that HFCS is different and wasn't confusing fructose with HFCS. That said, I don't understand what sort of distinction you're attempting to make here--sucrose is a sweetener, fructose is a sweetener, and HFCS is a sweetener. By pretty much even the strictest definition, HFCS is also a sugar, and appears on nutritional labels that way.

This higher level of fructose puts a lot of pressure on the body. There is a difference between sugar and sweetners and they have very different effects on the people who use them.

Maybe? But all sugars (or "sweeteners" if you insist on defining them differently even though they're not) have the same effects on blood sugar and insulin levels, which is the point I was making in the first place.

Then we can also agree that this synthetic form of sweetner has a different chemical make up than normal sugar. Which would then lead us to believe that synthetic forms of food and food additives are the most likely culprit to obesity.

uh, why? for one thing, fructose has a different chemical compound than sucrose and both are very natural. for another, sugars are a nonessential nutrient. are you implying that someone cannot VERY VERY EASILY get fat without sugar and/or synthetic foods?

[kahljorn]

Thank you for pointing that out. I'll just stick with having shit breath.That would be your solution to a problem.

Sodium fluoride is used in fluoridation of water, and is present in such low doses so the beneficial effects (reduction of tooth decay) far outweigh any potential health effects (fluorosis, digestive issues)..

omg sorta like how with calcium you can take it to increase your bone density BUT you can also get gout from it if your levels are too high. Calcium's totally a poison! Actually from what I've read Fluoride isn't classified as a poison its classified as toxic, which by the way basically everything on the planet is toxic in high enough dosages.

[Pentegarn]

I WAS ABOVE THAT, OF COURSE. I WAS OF AN ADVANCED TECHNIQUE. IF YOU QUIETLY OPENED THEIR BACKPACKS IN CLASS YOU COULD STEAL THEIR TREATS AND SWITCH THEM WITH A SMALL ZIPLOC BAG WITH CARROTS AND CELERY IN IT. YOU UNLOADED PART OF THE CRAPPY LUNCH THAT YOUR RESPONSIBLE PARENT GAVE YOU AND YOU MADE THE FAT KID WANT TO CRY BECAUSE THEIR MOM WASN'T GIVING THEM NICE THINGS ANY MORE.

THEN AT LUNCHTIME YOU WOULD MAKE SAY THAT THEIR MOM GAVE THEM CARROTS BECAUSE THEY WERE FAT WHILE YOU ATE THEIR CUPCAKE AND CHIPS

Goddamn that is advanced. The simple smash the fat kid's sugary treat was as advanced as we got when I was a lad

[Zhukov]

There was only two fat kids in my school. One was short and fat; almost wider than he was tall, and the other was seriously obese. The short one didn't get any crap because his mother and father gave him pornography to share.

After school finished a lot of people I knew went on to get fat though. Girls that used to be so aloof because they knew they were HOT SHIT are now NOT ALL THAT because they are fat and stupid.

[Dimnos]

http://www.gamesfree.ca/wg_images/img_gal/HQlqLBvdfNJdbMOMaGECDRRFwGames_free_ca_funny_pictu res-0082.jpg

[TheCoolinator]

source? because that's stupid.

Tadao said we aren't allowed to post articles anymore. Have to take it up with him. I'm sure if you search engine "Food additives / Chemicals absorbed through ingestion" you will find a tons of literature on it.

it's not contradictory. "you can eat all you want within limits." it's maybe slightly redundant? why cannot you english

"Within Limits" and "All you can eat" are contradictory.

health? yes. fat? no.

Wouldn't they be one in the same? Yes, the Human body needs fat supplies to survive but if one is over weight due to the amount of toxic chemicals, preservative, and additive in the food they eat (I'm not even going to mention GMO) wouldn't that make them unhealthy?


msg is actually pretty natural (no less natural than table sugar, anyway). it's contained naturally in beets and seaweed, among other things. but why bring up msg? we were talking about trans fats.

I've never came across someone who actually defended MSG. Its a well known excitotoxin. Remember back in the day when all the Chinese Food restaurants had signs on their places that said "NO MSG here"? And food makers use the synthetic form of MSG. Dr. Russel Blaylock has some good videos up on Youtube about the effects of MSG, obesity, and neurological disorders because of it.

, HFCS is also a sugar, and appears on nutritional labels that way.

HFCS are not regular sugar. They are synthetic and the fructose levels are higher. Regular organic cane sugar has 50 Fructose / 50 Glucose. The body can't handle the high amount of fructose from HFCS and it literally rots out the pancreas while also making the individual put on masses amounts of weight.

Now add some food additives like MSG and you an Obesity epidemic.

Maybe? But all sugars (or "sweeteners" if you insist on defining them differently even though they're not) have the same effects on blood sugar and insulin levels, which is the point I was making in the first place.

I think my above response counters your argument.

"Historically, we never consumed much sugar," said Barry Popkin of the University of North Carolina, and a health policy adviser for the U.S. government. "We're not built to process it."

And this quote is from the original article at the beginning of the thread. The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

[Dimnos]

We were built to process sugar. :rolleyes

[The Leader]

I heard that we do need to intake sugar and the reason we have such a voracious craving for it is because it is normally so scarce in a human's diet. The problem is that now we have ready access to it and put it in everything our bodies cannot handle the amount we're getting so we get the diabetes and other such complications which were relatively unheard of even a hundred years ago.

[Evil Robot]

ASDFDSADX ka blahhhh blah blahhhhh jkl;jkl;jkl;jkl;asdg lk;jlkiutyte fh g lkjkjhgc jsomething something.
I must be learning disabled because this is what coolinters post look like to me.

[TheCoolinator]

ahhh, fuck it.

http://i557.photobucket.com/albums/ss16/killerbullets247/fat-kid.jpg

MOMMA TELL ME I'm SUPER HERO!

[RaNkeri]

The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?


You shouldn't believe everything you read, nor take it literally. One proof of the fact that human GI tract is build to process sugars are the various glucosidases we have.

We aren't built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives etc., they are built to mimic the ingredients that we can process.

Also, please read this:
I heard that we do need to intake sugar and the reason we have such a voracious craving for it is because it is normally so scarce in a human's diet. The problem is that now we have ready access to it and put it in everything our bodies cannot handle the amount we're getting so we get the diabetes and other such complications which were relatively unheard of even a hundred years ago.

[Esuohlim]

More personal questions?

Well it's just that alcohol is considered a toxin that the human body does not need to function so I'm just wondering what your opinion is on it

[Fathom Zero]

Can't it do shit like aid in digestion or something?

[Colonel Flagg]

You shouldn't believe everything you read, nor take it literally. One proof of the fact that human GI tract is build to process sugars are the various glucosidases we have.

We aren't built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives etc., they are built to mimic the ingredients that we can process.

Listen to RannyK - he knows all about sugar. :)

Speaking of "doctorin'" - how's med school? You are still in med school, right?

[Chojin]

Tadao said we aren't allowed to post articles anymore. Have to take it up with him. I'm sure if you search engine "Food additives / Chemicals absorbed through ingestion" you will find a tons of literature on it.

You're allowed to post links to support an argument. You aren't allowed to post only links in lieu of making an argument.

But if I understand what you're saying, it's that harmful stuff likes to live in fat. Okay? It doesn't increase fat, though.

"Within Limits" and "All you can eat" are contradictory.

http://www.i-mockery.com/chojin/pleasedon't.jpg

"Within limits" is a disclaimer, without which my statement could have meant that I thought someone could chug 10 pounds of pure cholesterol and be a-ok. "All you can eat" refers to the normal or even most excessive amounts of a food that someone would eat. Do you give similar shit to people who run buffets? OH HO HO IT IS NOT ALL I CAN EAT IF YOU KICK ME OUT AFTER I STAY HERE FOR 16 HOURS AND TRY TO SLEEP IN THE BOOTH, I WAS NOT DONE

Wouldn't they be one in the same? Yes, the Human body needs fat supplies to survive but if one is over weight due to the amount of toxic chemicals, preservative, and additive in the food they eat (I'm not even going to mention GMO) wouldn't that make them unhealthy?

No. Fat is not always equatable to poor health. Your body needs a certain percentage of bodyfat, and that requirement actually goes up the more active you are. Cyanide is also pretty unhealthy but isn't linked to obesity. Not all fat is unhealthy and not all unhealthy crap is fattening. Kinda obvious.

I've never came across someone who actually defended MSG. Its a well known excitotoxin. Remember back in the day when all the Chinese Food restaurants had signs on their places that said "NO MSG here"? And food makers use the synthetic form of MSG. Dr. Russel Blaylock has some good videos up on Youtube about the effects of MSG, obesity, and neurological disorders because of it.

I didn't defend MSG, I just said that it's pretty natural as additives go. Your argument was originally that synthetics were unhealthy and therefore fattening. MSG isn't really a synthetic.

I've noticed, though, that you're more than willing to divorce yourself from whatever point you're making to attack whatever you perceive to be the weakest part of my point.

Why? I'm not setting you straight on nutrition because I love internet combat, I'm doing it because there's a lot of stupid misinformation out there and your perception was especially stupid. I felt that I must stop you before someone listens, and maybe you could learn something in the process and not misinform people in real life who likely don't know any better.

HFCS are not regular sugar. They are synthetic and the fructose levels are higher. Regular organic cane sugar has 50 Fructose / 50 Glucose. The body can't handle the high amount of fructose from HFCS and it literally rots out the pancreas while also making the individual put on masses amounts of weight.

Everything but the last sentence: Who cares?
The last sentence: why would it make someone 'put on masses amounts of weight' any more than any other sweetener?

Now add some food additives like MSG and you an Obesity epidemic.

How? HFCS is no more to blame for fatness than any other kind of sugar (replace your mountain dew habit with "mountain dew throwback" and let me know how much weight you lose), and MSG doesn't make people fat. HFCS and MSG may be unhealthy, but as we've already established, poisons are not necessarily fattening. They aren't even usually fattening.

And this quote is from the original article at the beginning of the thread. The first thing I say to myself after reading this is if we're not built to process this.......then how can we possibly be built to process synthetics, preservatives, additives, and other genetically modified ingredients?

Because synthetics are simply non-organic breakdowns of whole sources. Your body organically breaks down the same sources into usable compounds that share 99.9999% of the same characteristics. You might as well ask why we can perceive fluorescent light.

[Tadao]

For the record, I suggested that if someone requests a source, you are more than welcome to post it.

[Chojin]

And while we're at it, I really hate the concept that gaining or losing fat involves evil voodoo magic or mad science. Most people seem to have this perception, and it's stupid.

It is actually tremendously simple. Insultingly simple, even.

1 pound of fat = 3500 calories. To lose 1 pound of fat, burn 3500 calories.

Just sitting on your ass, your body burns approximately 2200 kcal/day if you're male and 1800 kcal/day if you're female. This is also assuming that you're only fat and not GOD DAMN fat. At the simplest explanation, if you eat 500 kcal under that every day, you will lose a pound of fat every week (500 x 7 = 3500).

So how do people get fat? THEY EAT OVER THAT AMOUNT. OHGOD

This happens for a variety of reasons, most of which involve people not understanding how many calories are in things that they eat. A big serving of lean chicken breast has a hilariously low amount of calories; like, 300. A big mac has about 600 calories (yes, if you're a male you could eat 3 big macs a day and lose weight, provided you ate nothing else). Side orders and sugared drinks (soda and juice, especially) are a very common source of extra calories.

As an aside, diet sodas are not only FUCKING FINE, they can actually help you burn fat a little bit faster. This is because most people drink soda very cold (colder than they drink their water, anyway), and your body expends energy to maintain its heat when drinking ice-cold beverages (about 120kcal/day if you drink a metric dickload of diet soda).

So, to relate this to the OP, America's obesity problem is mostly due to the American diet involving meals that have a lot of calories. Our meals are often larger than they need to be, and are bundled with sides and sugary drinks. Fries, chips, and cokes have a retarded amount of calories in them. Your average 20 oz. coke has 240 calories in it. If you were eating at maintenance and drinking 3 of those a day, you would lose 1.5 pounds of fat a week by doing nothing but switching to diet coke.

[Tadao]

I have the bad habit of not eating all day and then destroying the refrigerator at night.

I don't understand why this makes me gain weight.

[Chojin]

I have the bad habit of not eating all day and then destroying the refrigerator at night.

I don't understand why this makes me gain weight.

I know you're being a silly billy, but:

Because your metabolism slows down from not eating all day, lowering the amount of calories your body naturally burns to maintain itself.

[Tadao]

Also I drink too much booze during the day, further slowing my metabolism.

[Chojin]

Alcohol itself also contains 7kcal/gram (before you flavor it or do fucking anything), making it worse than carbs (sodas) and slightly better than fat.

I love Sake to death, but a bottle of that shit has like 900 calories in it.

[Tadao]

A few months ago when I was really concerned about my rapped weight gain, I looked at my Vodka and said, Naw that can't have too many calories, then I googled it. Fucking hell. I was drinking about 10 shots a day easily.

[Chojin]

Yeah, it isn't fair. But luckily, smoking and harder drugs are a-ok where fat is concerned.

[Grislygus]

YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME, I'M THE WHISKEY GUY

IF I DRINK ENOUGH TO GET DRUNK I'LL HAVE CONSUMED THE LIQUID CALORIE EQUIVALENT OF SEVEN BIG MACS :(

[Grislygus]

The moral of the story is that I can't afford to get completely shitfaced unless I'm drinking Pearl Lights

[Grislygus]

Waidaminute, according to Google whiskey and scotch are only 82 calories a "jigger"

I assume 'jigger' is stupid fuckguage for "shot", so two 2/3 full glasses comes out to be... fuck it, math sucks

[Tadao]

If only there was a diet pill that a dr. could prescribe to me that would make me as skinny as a meth addict.

[RaNkeri]

Speaking of "doctorin'" - how's med school? You are still in med school, right?

Yes, and everything's fine :)


I actually posted the exact same thing earlier, but coolie promptly ignored it.

[Chojin]

1g of alcohol = 7kcal
1 ounce = 28.3495231 grams
shot = 1.5 oz

1 shot = 42.5g
1 shot of PURE ALCOHOL (200 proof) = ~300 calories
1 shot of 1 proof alcohol = 1.5 calories

Multiply 1.5 by the proof of your liquor to get the calorie content of a shot (prior to any sweeteners).

If only there was a diet pill that a dr. could prescribe to me that would make me as skinny as a meth addict.

The diet I was on could easily do that if you ignore the exercise component.

[TheCoolinator]

Well it's just that alcohol is considered a toxin that the human body does not need to function so I'm just wondering what your opinion is on it

Like I said before,

People don't use alcohol to brush there teeth nor is it added to the municipal water supply. Sodium Fluoride is.


But if I understand what you're saying, it's that harmful stuff likes to live in fat. Okay? It doesn't increase fat, though.

I'm just stating that unnatural chemicals added to food find their way to fat deposits because they are difficult to digest and the body has no use for them. They can also interfere with the normal digestion process making it inefficient.

This quote is from the original article on page 1 of this thread:

"This is the first evidence we have that fructose increases diabetes and heart disease independently from causing simple weight gain," lead researcher Kimber Stanhope said. "We didn't see any of these changes in the people eating glucose."

The effect seems to occur because fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.


No. Fat is not always equatable to poor health.

I understand that. We all need some fat in our bodies. That's understood. Hence why I stated that word for word in my last response. I'm saying that obese people who have been eating junk artificial chemical ridden food are unhealthy and they are obese because they eat too much high calorie food AND they are eating foods laced with these chemicals.



I didn't defend MSG, I just said that it's pretty natural as additives go. Your argument was originally that synthetics were unhealthy and therefore fattening. MSG isn't really a synthetic.

See, it's either synthetic or its organic. You can't have both. The junk they use in our food that has been studied in laboratories to make rats obese and double their appetites are synthetic. It's added to most food and its under numerous names.


Everything but the last sentence: Who cares?
The last sentence: why would it make someone 'put on masses amounts of weight' any more than any other sweetener?

Who cares?

You can't compare the two substances. Sugar and HFCS are extremely different substances and have very different effects on the body. Hence the article I posted in the beginning.




How? HFCS is no more to blame for fatness than any other kind of sugar (replace your mountain dew habit with "mountain dew throwback" and let me know how much weight you lose), and MSG doesn't make people fat. HFCS and MSG may be unhealthy, but as we've already established, poisons are not necessarily fattening. They aren't even usually fattening.

It's scientifically proven that people who eat diets high in HFCS, MSG, and other additives weigh more and are less healthy then people who don't eat these substances.



Because synthetics are simply non-organic breakdowns of whole sources.

They are called synthetics for a reason. They are chemicals put together in a lab to mimic the natural chemicals.

Even if they taste the same or have no taste at all the body still has to take different steps to break down these synthetic chemicals. Like I said with HFCS. The body is acknowledges organic sugar cane with its 50 % glucose / fructose structure. If you change that structure the body has added pressure put on its organs.

These synthetics are not safe. They never have been. They are just cheaper substitutes for real ingredients. They are dangerous and they lead to obesity and other degenerative ailments.


Articles:

Study Finds High-Fructose Corn Syrup Contains Mercury

Almost half of tested samples of commercial high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) contained mercury, which was also found in nearly a third of 55 popular brand-name food and beverage products where HFCS is the first- or second-highest labeled ingredient, according to two new U.S. studies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/26/AR2009012601831.htmlHigh-Fructose Corn Syrup and Diabetes

Roughly $40 billion in federal subsidies are going to pay corn growers, so that corn syrup (http://www.naturalnews.com/corn_syrup.html) is able to replace cane sugar (http://www.naturalnews.com/sugar.html). corn syrup has been singled out by many health experts (http://www.naturalnews.com/health_experts.html) as one of the chief culprits of rising obesity (http://www.naturalnews.com/obesity.html), because corn syrup does not turn off appetite (http://www.naturalnews.com/appetite.html). Since the advent of corn (http://www.naturalnews.com/corn.html) syrup, consumption of all sweeteners (http://www.naturalnews.com/sweeteners.html) has soared, as have people's weights. According to a 2004 study reported in the American journal of Clinical Nutrition, the rise of Type-2 diabetes (http://www.naturalnews.com/diabetes.html) since 1980 has closely paralleled the increased use of sweeteners, particularly corn syrup.
- There Is a Cure for Diabetes: The Tree of Life 21-Day+ Program (http://www.naturalnews.com/book_There_is_A_Cure_For_Diabetes.html) by Gabriel Cousens
- Available on Amazon.com (http://astore.amazon.com/wsdm-20/detail/1556436912/103-9713278-2307056)

http://www.naturalnews.com/026468_sugar_corn_corn_syrup.htmlSurprise Ingredients in Fast Food

The seasoned beef, carne asada steak, spicy shredded chicken, and even the rice all include autolyzed yeast extract (hidden MSG). Disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate are flavor enhancers used in synergy with MSG [7,8]. Therefore, menu items with disodium inosinate and/or disodium guanylate also contain MSG. This includes the avocado ranch dressing, southwest chicken, citrus salsa, creamy jalapeno sauce, creamy lime sauce, lime seasoned red strips, pepper jack sauce, and seasoned rice.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022194.htmlThe link between monosodium glutamate (MSG) and obesity

But how does MSG (http://www.naturalnews.com/MSG.html) cause obesity? Like aspartame, MSG is an excitotoxin (http://www.naturalnews.com/excitotoxin.html), a substance that overexcites neurons to the point of cell damage and, eventually, cell death. Humans lack a blood-brain barrier in the hypothalamus, which allows excitotoxins (http://www.naturalnews.com/excitotoxins.html) to enter the brain and cause damage, according to Dr. Russell L. Blaylock in his book Excitotoxins. According to animal studies, MSG creates a lesion in the hypothalamus that correlates with abnormal development, including obesity, short stature and sexual reproduction problems.

http://www.naturalnews.com/009379.htmlConsuming Common Food Additive MSG Increases Risk of Weight Gain

http://www.naturalnews.com/025353_MSG_food_brain.htmlConsumption of soft drinks and high-fructose corn syrup linked to obesity and diabetes

http://www.naturalnews.com/003002.html

[Chojin]

Okay, no, that is not how you use articles. When you link to an article, you do so after paraphrasing it when you're making your point. The way you did it, you didn't even cite anything and I'd have to read all of that shit to tell you that it doesn't support your conclusions (aka what I already know).

I'm just stating that unnatural chemicals added to food find their way to fat deposits because they are difficult to digest and the body has no use for them. They can also interfere with the normal digestion process making it inefficient.

If your body can't digest it, it passes it. How inefficient does it make the digestion process? My money says "not enough to actually matter".

"This is the first evidence we have that fructose increases diabetes and heart disease independently from causing simple weight gain," lead researcher Kimber Stanhope said. "We didn't see any of these changes in the people eating glucose."

The effect seems to occur because fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.

This is funny because it doesn't support your point. To paraphase part 1: all sugar makes you fat, HFCS is just also kinda poisonous. Okay. They agree with me here that HFCS doesn't make people any more fat than other sweeteners do. Part 2: what happens to improperly processed fat? Does it somehow become SUPER FAT and double in size? Apply critical thinking here.

I understand that. We all need some fat in our bodies. That's understood. Hence why I stated that word for word in my last response. I'm saying that obese people who have been eating junk artificial chemical ridden food are unhealthy and they are obese because they eat too much high calorie food AND they are eating foods laced with these chemicals.

Your most recent point was that anything that is unhealthy is also fattening. Maybe you didn't mean it that way, but that's how you wrote it. The cause for obesity is 99% high calorie food and maybe, maybe 1% due to Dr. Robotnik's evil chemicals. The entire reason there's so much literature on the subject in the mass media is that people want to believe that something other than themselves is to blame. You are propagating that myth with this nonsense.

See, it's either synthetic or its organic. You can't have both. The junk they use in our food that has been studied in laboratories to make rats obese and double their appetites are synthetic. It's added to most food and its under numerous names.

You are confusing cause and effect. Very likely, the rats became obese because the MSG increased their appetite and they therefore increased their calorie intake. This is very different from MSG directly making them fat.

You can't compare the two substances. Sugar and HFCS are extremely different substances and have very different effects on the body. Hence the article I posted in the beginning.

You can compare the two substances because they have the same effects on the body and have the same exact nutritional content. HFCS just also has some purported side effects, none of which are convincingly related to obesity. The negative side effects of HFCS are tremendously irrelevant when compared to the negative direct effects of all sugars.

It's scientifically proven that people who eat diets high in HFCS, MSG, and other additives weigh more and are less healthy then people who don't eat these substances.

You are again confusing cause and effect. People with diets high in HFCS and MSG are already eating calorie-dense garbage. The foods that don't contain those things are lesser in scope. By eating HFCS and MSG, we know that those people are eating junk foods, since those are the only foods that contain that crap. We do not know the same things about people who do not eat HFCS and MSG. This does not imply that HFCS and MSG are to blame. If you cut HFCS and MSG out of your diet, you are also cutting a lot of garbage out that incidentally contains that crap.

Again, the calorie content of a 20oz mountain dew (with HFCS) and a 20oz mountain dew throwback (without HFCS) is the EXACT SAME. Are you seriously suggesting that someone would gain less weight when drinking the throwback?

They are called synthetics for a reason. They are chemicals put together in a lab to mimic the natural chemicals.

Even if they taste the same or have no taste at all the body still has to take different steps to break down these synthetic chemicals. Like I said with HFCS. The body is acknowledges organic sugar cane with its 50 % glucose / fructose structure. If you change that structure the body has added pressure put on its organs.

Define "pressure on the organs". I'm beginning to think that you're just regurgitating language you read in some womens' fitness magazine.

These synthetics are not safe. They never have been. They are just cheaper substitutes for real ingredients.

They're safe enough to pass FDA standards, which means that any poisons they contain are trace enough to not matter.

They are dangerous and they lead to obesity and other degenerative ailments.

This is misleading. A cherry-flavored bullet is also dangerous to the head, but it isn't the cherry that does it.

[kahljorn]

They're safe enough to pass FDA standards, which means that any poisons they contain are trace enough to not matter.

but the FDA IS ON IT MAAAN

[The Leader]

Coolie, those are all from the same website that claimed that medical doctors will lose their licenses if they recommend a patient take a vitamin.

[TheCoolinator]

If your body can't digest it, it passes it. How inefficient does it make the digestion process? My money says "not enough to actually matter".

Your body absorbed a lot of materials. There is no one in your GI tract that is saying picking out which material is good or not. Most of what you eat gets into your body and if your body doesn't recognize it or doesn't use it, it goes into fat deposits and festers.


This is funny because it doesn't support your point. To paraphase part 1: all sugar makes you fat, HFAC is just also kinda poisonous. Okay.

:confused:


They agree with me here that HFAC doesn't make people any more fat than other sweeteners do. Part 2: what happens to improperly processed fat?

Participants in the fructose group, however, showed an increase of fat cells around major organs including their hearts and livers, and also underwent metabolic changes that are precursors to heart disease and diabetes.

"We didn't see any of these changes in the people eating glucose."

fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.

High-Fructose Corn Syrup and Diabetes

corn syrup has been singled out by many health experts (http://www.naturalnews.com/health_experts.html) as one of the chief culprits of rising obesity (http://www.naturalnews.com/obesity.html), because corn syrup does not turn off appetite (http://www.naturalnews.com/appetite.html). Since the advent of corn (http://www.naturalnews.com/corn.html) syrup, consumption of all sweeteners (http://www.naturalnews.com/sweeteners.html) has soared, as have people's weights. According to a 2004 study reported in the American journal of Clinical Nutrition, the rise of Type-2 diabetes (http://www.naturalnews.com/diabetes.html) since 1980 has closely paralleled the increased use of sweeteners, particularly corn syrup.
- There Is a Cure for Diabetes: The Tree of Life 21-Day+ Program (http://www.naturalnews.com/book_There_is_A_Cure_For_Diabetes.html) by Gabriel Cousens
- Available on Amazon.com (http://astore.amazon.com/wsdm-20/detail/1556436912/103-9713278-2307056)

http://www.naturalnews.com/026468_su...orn_syrup.html (http://www.naturalnews.com/026468_sugar_corn_corn_syrup.html)

Your most recent point was that anything that is unhealthy is also fattening.

No,

I said that obese people aren't healthy.



Very likely, the rats became obese because the MSG increased their appetite and they therefore increased their calorie intake. This is very different from MSG directly making them fat.

No,

So right here we have a laboratory study that says the food additive (that shouldn't be in the food in the first place) induces obesity AND ALSO has been shown to increase appetite.

Either way you cut it, it still causes obesity.

MSG-Induced Obesity

MSG is injected into laboratory rats to induce obesity.


It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens. Scientists in Spain have recently concluded that MSG when given to mice increase appetite by as much as 40%.

http://www.msgtruth.org/obesity.htm



You can compare the two substances because they have the same effects on the body and have the same exact nutritional content

There is a quote above that counters your statement. They do not have the same effect on the body nor do they have the same structure and they certainly do not have the same nutritional content.


HFAC just also has some purported side effects, none of which are convincingly related to obesity. The negative side effects of HFAC are tremendously irrelevant when compared to the negative direct effects of all sugars.


One more time for good measure.

fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.


Again, the calorie content of a 20oz mountain dew (with HFAC) and a 20oz mountain dew throwback (without HFAC) is the EXACT SAME. Are you seriously suggesting that someone would gain less weight when drinking the throwback?

Yes,

Because it doesn't contain HFCS that cannot be broken down and interes with the livers ability to process fat. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this.

HFCS, as you stated, has dangerous side effect and induces obesity much like other food additives.



Define "pressure on the organs".

Re-read the quotes



They're safe enough to pass FDA standards, which means that any poisons they contain are trace enough to not matter

People who believe what the FDA says usually die and their families have to sue for damages.

VIOXX anyone?

[Chojin]

The FDA is actually pretty strict on what they do and do not allow people to eat, because they err on the side of people being morons (which is completely understandable). When you hear shit like "OMFG THE FDA ALLOWS 21 RAT TURDS PER BOX OF CEREAL" or some shit, it's either bogus or the rat shit in question isn't enough to really be bad for you. Also, rat turds are delicious.

This is why I have to order my ephedra/caffeine stacks from the internet for tons of money instead of just buying them from the convenience store for peanuts like I used to--fatties were like "INCREASE MY METABOLISM? SOLD" and then ate a bunch of pills that increase heart rate when they already had high blood pressure. Frankly, if anything should be added to our drinking water, it's the E/C stack. We'd have far fewer whiny fatties around.

o i see you just posted, will rspnd in a sec

[TheCoolinator]

The FDA is actually pretty strict on what they do and do not allow people to eat,


FDA sets 'safe' levels for melamine in baby formula

After first saying that they could not determine a threshold for the safe amount of certain toxic chemicals in infant formula, Food and Drug Administration officials said Friday that trace amounts are safe.

"Amounts of the industrial chemical melamine or the melamine-like compound called cyanuric acid that are below 1.0 ppm [1,000 parts per billion] do not raise public health concerns," said Stephen Sundlof, the FDA's director of the Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition.

When it became known in September that thousands of babies in China had been sickened by tainted infant formula, the FDA ordered the testing of U.S.-manufactured infant-formula products.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/28/infant.formula.melamine/



I'm glad I can sleep soundly at night knowing the FDA is protecting me. :sleep

[Chojin]

Most of what you eat gets into your body and if your body doesn't recognize it or doesn't use it, it goes into fat deposits and festers.

No, it generally gets removed. Eat a handful of rocks and let me know how many end up in your heart instead of the toilet.

Participants in the fructose group, however, showed an increase of fat cells around major organs including their hearts and livers, and also underwent metabolic changes that are precursors to heart disease and diabetes.

This just says that the fat is redistributed to problem areas. I still don't believe it, but it doesn't support your claim that it adds additional fat as compared to sugar. Since we're playing the repeating game, I'll go ahead and repeat that calories are the entire cause of fat gain and loss. You cannot get magic fat from 0-calorie chemicals. The shit has to come from somewhere. Source: law of conservation of mass.

corn syrup has been singled out by many health experts as one of the chief culprits of rising obesity, because corn syrup does not turn off appetite

Okay again right fucking here, your quote is trying to help me explain something to you. An increase in appetite causes people to eat more calories, which causes them to get more fat. THIS VERY QUOTE RIGHT HERE does not say that HFCS makes people fat. It says that it makes people hungry. Do you not appreciate the difference? If you would like to make the point that HFCS makes people hungry, be my guest, but it does not make them fat by itself.

No,

I said that obese people aren't healthy.

No, you said this:

Food additive free diets are proven to produce quick results in the health of a regular individual no matter the age.
health? yes. fat? no.
Wouldn't they be one in the same?

This says that you don't understand the difference between unhealthy and fattening things, given that fat isn't inherently unhealthy.

It also has been shown to increase appetite in male rats and to induce obesity in female rats and chickens.

Define 'induce' as it's used in this study. My guess? It made them hungrier. Which is redundant.

There is a quote above that counters your statement. They do not have the same effect on the body nor do they have the same structure and they certainly do not have the same nutritional content.

Mountain Dew

kcal 290
carbs 77
sugars 77

Mountain Dew Throwback

kcal 280
carbs 73
sugars 73

Source: http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php?brand_fam_id=1049&brand_id=1000&product=Mountain+Dew+Throwback

my bad, it's off by 10 whole calories. due to a rebalancing of the formula to make it taste the same.

HFCS is a sugar. It just is. In every way that matters, your body uses it the same way it uses any other sugar. This is also why gatorade works for athletes and doesn't kill them immediately.

fructose is not broken down in the digestive system like other sugars are. Instead, it moves directly into the liver, where it interferes with that organ's ability to process fat.

This does not mean that it isn't broken down in the digestive system AT ALL, it just means that it isn't broken down the same exact way. Again, it's close enough to not matter at all. The way this is worded implies that HFCS somehow dodges your stomach entirely, which is moronic. I guess you are excused for having a moronic understanding of nutrition if you believe that.

Re-read the quotes

Read the quotes to begin with.

I'm glad I can sleep soundly at night knowing the FDA is protecting me.

I don't understand what you're implying here. We don't have perfect knowledge, so we have to adjust our understanding of things as new information is tested and proven. The FDA, being run by human beings, is no exception; and they very much err on the side of caution.

So far, you have conclusively proven that certain chemicals make barnyard animals hungry and that you have a flawed grasp of English.

[TheCoolinator]

No, it generally gets removed. Eat a handful of rocks and let me know how many end up in your heart instead of the toilet.

People don't eat rocks.

This just says that the fat is redistributed to problem areas. I still don't believe it

Why don't you believe it? It's right out in the open. Your not going to concede the argument to me, all you will be doing is acknowledging reality.


Okay again right fucking here, your quote is trying to help me explain something to you. An increase in appetite causes people to eat more calories, which causes them to get more fat. THIS VERY QUOTE RIGHT HERE does not say that HFCS makes people fat. It says that it makes people hungry. Do you not appreciate the difference? If you would like to make the point that HFCS makes people hungry, be my guest, but it does not make them fat by itself.

That's just one change that occurs in a myriad of other negative effects.



No, you said this

I assumed we are talking about obesity. Fat = Obesity. Since that's what the thread is about. Obesity and the causes, which are proven to be HFCS, food additives, and GMO's.


Define 'induce' as it's used in this study. My guess? It made them hungrier. Which is redundant.

Induce meaning makes them retain more fat AND increases there appetite. There are numerous negative consequences to these addtives and synthetic ingredients. We have to take all of them into account. As you state previous "HFAC is just also kinda poisonous. Okay."


HFCS is a sugar. It just is. In every way that matters, your body uses it the same way it uses any other sugar.

I think I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that HFCS isn't used by the body in the same way as organic cane sugar.

And as you saw on your mountain dew chart.....HFCS has more calories and they add up.


This does not mean that it isn't broken down in the digestive system AT ALL, it just means that it isn't broken down the same exact way. Again, it's close enough to not matter at all.

Yes,

It's broken down in a different way. An ineffecient, dangerous way that effects the persons health negatively and also interferes with numerous organ and nervous systems.

[Chojin]

People don't eat rocks.

They can (this is actually the function of the pancreas). They can also eat numerous things that are insoluble. Things that the body doesn't use (insoluble fiber, pennies, rocks, bone) generally get passed to the bowel. Not your organs. That is stupid.

Why don't you believe it? It's right out in the open. Your not going to concede the argument to me, all you will be doing is acknowledging reality.

Because you'd have to cite me an article that directly sources a credible study which makes that claim. It could be true, but neither of us know that. In any event, it doesn't cause enough of a detrimental effect to matter in any capacity.

Induce meaning makes them retain more fat AND increases there appetite. There are numerous negative consequences to these addtives and synthetic ingredients. We have to take all of them into account. As you state previous "HFAC is just also kinda poisonous. Okay."

How does HFCS cause someone to retain fat? It's a sugar, and it gets used for fuel, especially in the short term. Also, how much fat does it cause someone to retain? And again, I don't think I ever claimed that HFCS was awesome for you, its negative effects are just pretty negligible compared to sucrose or fructose.

I think I've already proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that HFCS isn't used by the body in the same way as organic cane sugar.

And as you saw on your mountain dew chart.....HFCS has more calories and they add up.

I think you haven't at all, but that's because I'm only going by things you've actually said.

And actually, according to those nutritional facts I posted, sugar has more calories than HFCS.

290 / 77 = 3.76 kcal/g HFCS
280 / 73 = 3.83 kcal/g Sugar

Which of course isn't true, it's just rounding error. Both are 4 kcal/g.

It's broken down in a different way. An ineffecient, dangerous way that effects the persons health negatively and also interferes with numerous organ and nervous systems.

In the sense that a snake in the road interferes with my ability to drive a car down it, sure.

HFCS, at the end of the day, is really no worse for you than table sugar.

HFCS does taste worse and kinda sucks in other ways. If I had a choice, I'd rather take the sucrose (okay I'd more than likely not eat either of them).

[TheCoolinator]

They can (this is actually the function of the pancreas). They can also eat numerous things that are insoluble. Things that the body doesn't use (insoluble fiber, pennies, rocks, bone) generally get passed to the bowel. Not your organs. That is stupid.

Trace amounts of any substance you ingest get absorbed. Eat a nickel and then get your blood tested. Heavy Metal Traces will shoot up. Yes the nickel will come out in the bathroom and look untouched but you will still have a high amount of nickel material circulating through your body.

Because you'd have to cite me an article that directly sources a credible study which makes that claim. It could be true, but neither of us know that. In any event, it doesn't cause enough of a detrimental effect to matter in any capacity.
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This little video may answer your question. Its somewhat amusing too if you've ever seen the HFCS propaganda commercials a little while ago.


How does HFCS cause someone to retain fat? It's a sugar, and it gets used for fuel, especially in the short term. Also, how much fat does it cause someone to retain? And again, I don't think I ever claimed that HFCS was awesome for you, its negative effects are just pretty negligible compared to sucrose or fructose.

The video above should of answered this question.



I think you haven't at all, but that's because I'm only going by things you've actually said.

And actually, according to those nutritional facts I posted, sugar has more calories than HFCS.

290 / 77 = 3.76 kcal/g HFCS
280 / 73 = 3.83 kcal/g Sugar

Which of course isn't true, it's just rounding error. Both are 4 kcal/g

Mountain Dew

kcal 290
carbs 77
sugars 77

Mountain Dew Throwback

kcal 280
carbs 73
sugars 73

Source: http://pepsiproductfacts.com/infobyproduct.php?brand_fam_id=1049&brand_id=1000&product=Mountain+Dew+Throwback
This is what you posted before. Isn't the Throwback 280, 73, 73 ?



HFCS, at the end of the day, is really no worse for you than table sugar.

Actually at the end of the day HFCS, MSG, GMO's, and other unnatural synthetic additives are FAR worse than food that doesn't have them in it.

Much more. Almost night and day actually.

[Chojin]

I'll respond to the video in another post, maybe.

Trace amounts of any substance you ingest get absorbed. Eat a nickel and then get your blood tested. Heavy Metal Traces will shoot up. Yes the nickel will come out in the bathroom and look untouched but you will still have a high amount of nickel material circulating through your body.

key word being 'trace'.

This is what you posted before. Isn't the Throwback 280, 73, 73 ?

Yes, and throwback is the one that uses sugar instead of HFCS. I even posted the formulas and work, but I'm not surprised you didn't read them.

Actually at the end of the day HFCS, MSG, GMO's, and other unnatural synthetic additives are FAR worse than food that doesn't have them in it.

Much more. Almost night and day actually.

No. There is no appreciable difference. You're just being conned by hippies instead of suits.

[TheCoolinator]

Yes, and throwback is the one that uses sugar instead of HFCS. I even posted the formulas and work, but I'm not surprised you didn't read them.

So sugar has less Kcal, sugar, and carbs then HFCS then?



No. There is no appreciable difference. You're just being conned by hippies instead of suits.

Ok,

I guess I'm a hippy cause I don't like eating poison and I posted an article that linked high levels of fructose to obesity and diabetes. :|

Also,

I just found out that HFCS actually makes people resistant to LEPTIN which regulates the bodies metabolism.

[Chojin]

Okay, the video only says that HFCS makes you hungrier, sugar tastes better, and there are some possible implications regarding various illnesses (which are also caused by eating sugar). Nothing about HFCS making people fatter or sicker than sugar would.

So again. HFCS doesn't make people fat, people eating makes people fat.

And I didn't say that you were a hippie, I said that hippies were conning you. Which is kinda worse, tbh.

So sugar has less Kcal, sugar, and carbs then HFCS then?

What the fuck? No. Again, if you run the numbers on those two drinks, it will tell you that sugar has more calories per gram than HFCS. And again, that's only due to rounding error--HFCS and sugar actually have the same calorie content per gram.

Maybe you're getting confused by the total calorie count being lower? Calories are basically a summary of the fat, carbs, alcohol, and protein in a food.

[Pentegarn]

this thread needs more quotes

[TheCoolinator]

Okay, the video only says that HFCS makes you hungrier

Yes,

that's just one negative consequence in the mountain of other complications which it causes.

sugar tastes better, and there are some possible implications regarding various illnesses (which are also caused by eating sugar). As stated previously sugar doesn't do as much harm to the body like HFCS.


Nothing about HFCS making people fat all or sick when compared to sugar.No,

As stated in the video and quotes HFCS causes many problems because of its unique structure.


So again. HFCS doesn't make people fat, people eating makes people fat.The kind of food fed to the populace decides whether or not they will be fat.

And I didn't say that you were a hippie, I said that hippies were conning you. Which is kinda worse, tbh.

If its between getting conned by hippies or denying vast amounts of well known data. Then I guess I'll choose the hippy-con men.

[Chojin]

As stated previously sugar doesn't do as much harm to the body like HFCS.

And as stated, sugar does at least 99% as much harm to the body as HFCS.

No,

As stated in the video and quotes HFCS causes many problems because of its unique structure.

Except that's not what they said at all, they just listed a bunch of shit that HFCS does that sugar also does.

The kind of food fed to the populace decides whether or not they will be fat.

Wow, are you for real? Who's forcing you to eat HFCS? Anything you eat that contains it is going to be clown food whether it's using HFCS or sugar. It would make you fat when consumed in quantity whether it had HFCS or not.

If its between getting conned by hippies or denying vast amounts of well known data. Then I guess I'll choose the hippy-con men.

You don't have a fucking clue what HFCS does to you, you're just misinterpreting facts and regurgitating them ad nauseum to someone who actually knows what he's talking about. I mad.

[TheCoolinator]

And as stated, sugar does at least 99% as much harm to the body as HFCS.

I didn't see anything backing that statement up. I did see a whole bunch of studies on how HFCS destroys the body and organs though.

Except that's not what they said at all, they just listed a bunch of shit that HFCS does that sugar also does.

I still don't understand how you're comparing sugar to HFCS. They are completely different in every way. Yes, large amounts of sugar is bad for you but at least it doesn't rot you out from the inside and halts liver processes, leptin, and cause neurological damage from being tainted by mercury.



Wow, are you for real? Who's forcing you to eat HFCS? Anything you eat that contains it is going to be clown food whether it's using HFCS or sugar. It would make you fat when consumed in quantity whether it had HFCS or not.

People don't read labels. Who educates them about the dangers of HFCS? Whatever is cheap and on the shelf people will buy.

So as I stated, "Whatever is fed to the populace will decide how unhealthy they will be"


You don't have a fucking clue what HFCS does to you, you're just misinterpreting facts and regurgitating them ad nauseum to someone who actually knows what he's talking about. I mad.

HFCS is dangerous. I haven't found any research stating otherwise.

[Chojin]

Well, this is pointless. Here, you can automatically respond to every post you would have made in this thread hereafter with these points and save us both aggravation by having a cyclical argument with yourself in Notepad.

HFCS has the same exact nutritional content as sugar.
Its chemical compound is not "completely different". It is "slightly different but pretty much the same".

HFCS is not any more dangerous than sugar.
Its negative side effects are trace and negligible.

[Chojin]

Oh and to respond directly to the article's claim in the OP in what I hope is the last post I'll make in this thread:

HFCS isn't responsible for obesity because the only way you can get HFCS in your system in the first place is by eating junk. No one is to blame for you eating junk but yourself.

[TheCoolinator]

HFCS has the same exact nutritional content as sugar.
Its chemical compound is not "completely different". It is "slightly different but pretty much the same".

So the compound is different. As the name would state. I've been noticing your using a lot of words like "Slightly, somewhat, kinda, etc", this does not help your argument.

Metabolic Danger of High-Fructose Corn Syrup


By Dana Flavin, MS, MD, PHD

http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2008/dec2008_Metabolic-Dangers-of-High-Fructose-Corn-Syrup_01.htm

HFCS is not any more dangerous than sugar.
Its negative side effects are trace and negligible.

Unfortunately HFCS is the culprit to numerous serious diseases.

Dangers of High Fructose Corn Syrup (http://healthmad.com/nutrition/dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/)

Since HFCS’s widespread introduction in the 1980’s North American obesity (http://healthmad.com/nutrition/dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/#) rates have skyrocketed. Obesity has been linked to may heath issues including heart disease and many forms of cancer. When HFCS is ingested, it travels straight to the liver which turns the sugary liquid into fat, and unlike other carbohydrates HFCS does not cause the pancreas to produce insulin; which acts as a hunger (http://healthmad.com/nutrition/dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/#) quenching signal to the brain. So we get stuck in a vicious cycle, eating food that gets immediately stored as fat and never feeling full.
Read more: http://healthmad.com/nutrition/dangers-of-high-fructose-corn-syrup/#ixzz0nCZn0Pun



These articles are everywhere and they all say the same thing. Is this a huge conspiracy against HFCS? Or is it just a blatant reality?





HFCS isn't responsible for obesity because the only way you can get HFCS in your system in the first place is by eating junk. No one is to blame for you eating junk but yourself.

If people aren't educated how do they know what is good for them? Most people just buy the cheapest stuff and believe they are eating the right things and now everything says natural on it so how are they supposed to know what is really good for them if they are being lied to at every turn?

also this....

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This is a good one.

[Colonel Flagg]

Dear God in heaven help us. :Pray

EDIT - do you really feel that the endless blog quotes and youtube videos are proving your point?

Because they're not.

[Colonel Flagg]

DD2RdNptj84

It's on YouTube, so it must be true. BELIEVE ME ALL YOU SHEEP!

EDIT: They were eating HFCS. IT'S TRUE, DAMMIT! >:

[Zhukov]

See, it's either synthetic or its organic. You can't have both. The junk they use in our food that has been studied in laboratories to make rats obese and double their appetites are synthetic. It's added to most food and its under numerous names.
Most of this thread is well over my head, but I did pick up on this. I don't think Chojin meant that MSG is synthetic and organic at the same time, he's saying that MSG is organic and there are synthetic versions of it too. Or... the other way around. I suffer from one of those neurological conditions that you mentioned, so I watch out for MSG and it's counterparts in food, this includes it occurring naturally in tomatoes, mushrooms and crap, and also synthetically in a lot of other foods; mainly listed here as flavour preservative/enhancer 620 or 621.


Strangely enough, the levels of MSG found in some vegetables are not harmful to me in small doses.

[Colonel Flagg]

http://www.spiceplace.com/images/accent_flavor_enhancer_sm.gif

[RaNkeri]

I assumed we are talking about obesity. Fat = Obesity.

Human body requires fat to function normally. Having fat in your system doesn't make you obese

Obesity and the causes, which are proven to be HFCS, food additives, and GMO's. Obesity has existed before any of these even became abundant in diets.

I posted an article that linked high levels of fructose to obesity and diabetes.Duh? ANYTHING that causes obesity can be linked with diabetes

There is no one in your GI tract that is saying picking out which material is good or not. Most of what you eat gets into your body and if your body doesn't recognize it or doesn't use it, it goes into fat deposits and festers.
Really? And here I thought that they were secreted into feces and urine. :lol

And since it seems that you only care about videos/articles etc., I'll be quoting the obvious from few articles:

Like sugar, honey and some fruit juices, high fructose corn syrup contains almost equal portions of fructose and glucose. Glucose has been shown to have a tempering effect on specific metabolic effects of fructose," Erickson says in a statement.

"New research continues to confirm that high fructose corn syrup is no different from other sweeteners. It has the same number of calories as sugar and is handled similarly by the body."

But Sandon says there is some evidence that high fructose corn syrup breaks down differently in the body than other sugars.
Madelyn Fernstrom, PhD, CNS, agrees that demonizing one type of sugar misses the point. "Everything in moderation," she says. "We are blaming individual sugars or individual fats when we should be focusing on calories. If someone drinks a 64-ounce soda, who cares if it is high-fructose corn syrup or cane sugar? It's still about 800 calories."“There are lots of people out there who want to demonize fructose as the cause of the obesity epidemic,” she said. “I think it may be a contributor, but it’s not the only problem. Americans are eating too many calories for their activity level. We’re overeating fat, we’re overeating protein; and we’re overeating all sugars.”

[Colonel Flagg]

:rock

[Chojin]

I told him the same exact crap without citing anything, because it's pretty much nutrition 101. But since it would seem he only listens to things in quote boxes, maybe that will help.

We’re overeating fat, we’re overeating protein; and we’re overeating all sugars.”

Disagree with this part. It's pretty much impossible for a normal person to 'overeat' protein. About 1g x pounds of lean body mass is a theoretical limit for people who don't exercise. Most people in America have about 20-25% bodyfat and weigh about 200 lbs, so 150-160g protein is their limit. A large (8 oz) sirloin steak has about 70g of protein, so you could easily eat two of those a day even when you aren't working out and be fine (if you ARE working out, protein requirements can double).

Also, protein is vastly preferred over fat and carbs when it comes to calories. For one thing, it has fewer calories per gram than fat. For another, eating protein increases satiety (makes you feel full) much better than other nutrients. Finally, eating protein spares your body's stored protein, which means that your muscles won't cannibalize themselves in your sleep (this is mostly only a problem for people who diet with low amounts of fat).

An interesting side point here is that Americans still eat way more protein than people in other nations. Most countries have a stigma about consuming a lot of meat, but there's no nutritional basis for it. Strangely, we're one of the more healthy nations in that regard.

[RaNkeri]

I found the statement a bit odd too, but decided to quote the sentence as it was instead of editing it. She probably said it accidentally, or perhaps she meant high protein diets in general?

Nevertheless, the message should be clear

[Chojin]

I forgot to explain why it's "pretty much impossible for a normal person to overeat protein". It's because (as mentioned, but not correlated) you stop being hungry long before you could overeat protein. As a DIY exercise, try to cook up 100g of lean chicken breast (13oz of chicken, about 3oz shy of a pound) and eat it all in one sitting. You fucking can't, you would throw up if you tried. MAYBE unless you exercise like a motherfucker and increase your appetite that way.

However as coolie has so awkwardly posited, MSG and HFCS increase appetite. Perhaps we can slather corn syrup and MSG onto a big bucket of grilled chicken and power through the entire thing. NEW SUPPLEMENTS?!?

[Zhukov]

A urologist recommended that I cut my protein intake a bit. DEATH PANEL.

[TheCoolinator]

overeating is just one part of why people are obese. We also have to look at the ingredients inside the food and what they are doing to peoples organ systems.

Study: GM Soy Dangerous for Newborns?

Dr. Irina Ermakova of the Russian Academy of Sciences recently released a study reporting higher mortality rates and lower body weight among young rats whose mothers were fed a diet of herbicide resistant, genetically modified soybeans. According to experts at the British Advisory Committee on Novel Foods and Processes, a serious review of the study is not possible until more experimental data is made available. In addition, the study’s findings go against reviewed scientific studies that have refuted negative health effects.

The team led by Dr. Irina Ermakova at the Institute of Higher Nervous Activity and Neurophysiology of the Russian Academy of Sciences found that the mortality rate of the offspring of rats fed genetically modified soy flour was six times higher than that of rats raised with feed from conventional soy. In addition, the surviving offspring of rats fed GM soy had significantly lower bodyweight compared to control groups. Dr. Ermakova claims her findings raise serious concerns regarding possible health risks to humans.

http://www.gmo-compass.org/eng/news/stories/195.study_gm_soy_dangerous_newborns.htmlLower body weight in newborns is a bad thing.

[Chojin]

lol wtf

Your article is about infant mortality and says right in the abstract that a serious review isn't possible.

Also you're just completely wrong here, since dying is an excellent way to lose weight.

Lower body weight in newborns is a bad thing.

what the shit does this have to do with obesity? make a new thread if you want to talk about dead babies. i'll even do you the favor of not posting in it; since, unlike you, i don't argue about shit i don't understand.

[TheCoolinator]

Regarding the ingredients in food. GMO Soy being an ingredient. Certain ingredients can affect the body in negative ways. Like HFCS, MSG, and others. It's not just eating a lot that can make you fat or ill.

[RaNkeri]

It's not just eating a lot that can make you fat or ill.

How do you get fat without eating? If I take one tablespoon of HFCS and nothing else, will I wake up with extra 50 kg next morning?

Oh wait, is the evil government injecting us all intravenously while we sleep?

[TheCoolinator]

How do you get fat without eating? If I take one tablespoon of HFCS and nothing else, will I wake up with extra 50 kg next morning?

Oh wait, is the evil government injecting us all intravenously while we sleep?


If I were you I would re-read the thread. We went through this already.

[RaNkeri]

If I were you, I'd buy a biochemistry book and get my facts right instead of listening some bullshit "scientists"

[Chojin]

Regarding the ingredients in food. GMO Soy being an ingredient. Certain ingredients can affect the body in negative ways. Like HFCS, MSG, and others. It's not just eating a lot that can make you fat or ill.

This thread is about obesity. Your latest article claims that a certain chemical we weren't even discussing causes children to LOSE weight. The topic of discussion is not whether or not poison is bad for you.

And no, chemicals do not make you fat. They may cause neurological changes that predispose someone to eat more often, but you haven't really proven that, either.

The cause of obesity is still 100% eating. Sorry.

[TheCoolinator]

This thread is about obesity. Your latest article claims that a certain chemical we weren't even discussing causes children to LOSE weight. The topic of discussion is not whether or not poison is bad for you.

And no, chemicals do not make you fat. They may cause neurological changes that predispose someone to eat more often, but you haven't really proven that, either.

The cause of obesity is still 100% eating. Sorry.

So the ingredients in food have nothing to do with what happens in the body? Because I remember you saying something to the affect that "anything with HFCS in it is clown food" meaning its junk. Now this junk food is "junk" because of the harmful ingredients or does it just have a label put on it?

[Chojin]

The food is junk because it has a high-calorie content, not because of HFCS. All food with HFCS is junk because junk is the only type of food that needs a low-cost sugar to be added to it--again, this is not an inherent evil of HFCS and sugar would be just as bad in that scenario. And again, refer to my example of Mountain Dew with and without HFCS. Both are high in calories and sugars.

[RaNkeri]

So are we now supposed to explain you the term Junk food?

[TheCoolinator]

The food is junk because it has a high-calorie content, not because of HFCS. All food with HFCS is junk because junk is the only type of food that needs a low-cost sugar to be added to it--again, this is not an inherent evil of HFCS and sugar would be just as bad in that scenario. And again, refer to my example of Mountain Dew with and without HFCS. Both are high in calories and sugars.

So are we now supposed to explain you the term Junk food?

The ingredients in our food products play a large role in whether or not we gain weight or not. It's not just eating food, its whats in the food we eat. The body has issues processing unknown chemicals and sometimes it can disrupt the metabolism and other important factors in digestion.


Synthetic Chemicals Can Cause Obesity

A study published in early 2007 by researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia has linked chemicals found in many prepared foods and beauty care products to obesity.According to scientist Frederick vom Saal, the author of the paper, endocrine-disrupting chemicals found in plastics and pesticides can change the functioning of a fetus's genes, altering the metabolic system and predisposing him or her to weight gain later in life. Of the roughly 55,000 man-made chemicals in the world, about 1,000 may cause this type of endocrine disruption, he says.Obesity is on the rise worldwide. In the United States, more than two thirds of the population is overweight and one third is obese, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

Living a more natural lifestyle that incorporates organic products, he says, can minimize exposure to these chemicals and thereby reduce the risk of obesity.Organic products contain ingredients that have been produced without the aid of synthetic fertilizers, pesticides or plant growth regulators.
Read more: http://www.articlesbase.com/cosmetics-articles/synthetic-chemicals-can-cause-obesity-202630.html#ixzz0nG22Ieco
Under Creative Commons License: Attribution (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0)




http://www.articlesbase.com/cosmetics-articles/synthetic-chemicals-can-cause-obesity-202630.html

[Chojin]

The point of a source is to reaffirm the things you say, not to present new information that makes your argument for you.

The body has issues processing unknown chemicals and sometimes it can disrupt the metabolism and other important factors in digestion.

How often does it disrupt the metabolism? How much is the metabolism affected? How does digestion affect obesity?

Are you aware that the difference in metabolism is affected to a far greater degree by exercise? And that the metabolic difference between someone who exercises 5 hours a week and 0 hours a week is about 50 calories a day? Therefore, are you trying to say that an even more minor metabolic imbalance is making people fat? Further, are you trying to say that it's something we could be concerned about in lieu of not eating plates and plates of organic doughnuts?

[TheCoolinator]

The point of a source is to reaffirm the things you say, not to present new information that makes your argument for you.

Chojin, I'll just stop. Even if I post a million scientific studies with a million more Medical Doctors parroting the same exact thing we will never see eye to eye.

The thread is yours. Peace.

[RaNkeri]

The ingredients in our food products play a large role in whether or not we gain weight or not.

duh?

A study published in early 2007 by researchers at the University of Missouri-Columbia has linked chemicals found in many prepared foods and beauty care products to obesity

So you're saying that if a person is given a pill of synthetic chemical, s/he will miraculously gain weight without eating anything else.

Wow, just wow

[Chojin]

Chojin, I'll just stop. Even if I post a million scientific studies with a million more Medical Doctors parroting the same exact thing we will never see eye to eye.

The thread is yours. Peace.

You should leave the thread because you're clueless, not because you're afraid I'll ban you.

It is fine to disagree with me, but it is not ok to say CHEMICALS R BAD (LINK). Fuck that. I am not reading your source. Pretend this were a real-life debate--how the shit would you formulate a point when you couldn't link to anything?

[Chojin]

Also, EVERY SINGLE TIME you mention that this shit is 'linked to obesity', it is mostly because it increases appetite.

So what? No one is forcing people to eat high-calorie shit when they're hungry.

I could make the same exact moronic point with something organic. RICE CAKES AND CRACKERS ARE LINKED TO OBESITY. This is because they make you thirsty and you might drink a coke.

[Zhukov]

EXERCISE IS LINKED TO OBESITY.

[Dimnos]

I only made it halfway through page 9 before I couldnt take anymore but here is what Im getting out of Coolie....


"Stuff they put in our food is making us to fat"

"Other stuff they put in our food is making us to skinny"

Am I missing some crucial tidbits in the last half of page 9 or something?

[Chojin]

EXERCISE IS LINKED TO OBESITY.

This is technically true as well. If you aren't eating enough calories to support your basal metabolic rate + activity level, your body will slow its metabolism in an effort to compensate and therefore burn fewer calories. This mostly happens with cardio and not strength training.

But 'linked to obesity' is a bullshit claim because EVERYTHING can be linked to obesity. One would have to define what the fuck they mean by 'linked to obesity' for it to make any sense.

[Colonel Flagg]

I only made it halfway through page 9 before I couldnt take anymore but here is what Im getting out of Coolie....


"Stuff they put in our food is making us to fat"

"Other stuff they put in our food is making us to skinny"

Am I missing some crucial tidbits in the last half of page 9 or something?

Nope. Nothing at all.

Except perhaps your summary being more coherent.