Isreali soldiers board Ship to Gaza flotilla and kill plenty

[Blasted Child]

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.flotilla.aid/index.html?hpt=C1

Everything that concerns the Israel/Palestine conflict is highly controversial, and naturally this incident has made people on both sides employ their usual set of rethorics.

I acknowledge that there are two sides of the coin here, but one important fact is that Israeli soldiers bordered the vessels on international waters, which is naturally beyond their jurisdiction. If they faced resistance because of this act, they're not really entitled to complain. And as they ended up killing up to ten passengers, whatever mitigating circumstances they can bring up are pretty moot in the big picture.

[Colonel Flagg]

What I find most intriguing is the polarization of opinions pitting the "Israel is within her rights" camp with "Israel killed 9 (or 10?) innocent civilians" camp. There is ALWAYS a grey area, or to paraphrase above "the third side of the coin" (the edge?).

There is fault on BOTH SIDES and until agreement can be met on this front, I belive there will be no progress.

[Dimnos]

Israel is know for sending agents into other countries to assassinate key people. Knocking off a handful of guys out in international waters actually seams kind of tame for them. I hope they keep kicking ass. :)

[The Leader]

Israel can do whatever it wants because the United States will always continue to back them up financially and militarily. :O

[Blasted Child]

I agree that in the conflict between the Isreali government and Hamas, there is a huge grey area - i.e. both parties are to blame and Hamas is far from innocent. I honestly have no clue how that conflict will ever resolve.

But in the case with this aid flotilla I'm less inclined to point fingers at the volonteers. So what if they kept some slingshots and clubs on board? They were on international waters, they should be free to defend themselves if they suddenly get boarded by armed forces.
And besides, most of the passengers weren't Turkish bullies - a great deal were ordinary European charity workers, even families, and the main objective with the operation was after all to supply Gaza with food and medicine.

Gaza is in dire need of supplies, and Israel is both strict and highly random when it comes to what goods they may actually receive - sometimes wood is forbidden, sometimes pasta.

I think it's important to once again stress that the ships were not trespassing on Isreali territory. They consider the blockade unlawful, and therefor do not respect it. Israel for some reasons consider it their right to not only block a certain strip of foreign land from outside help, but to control the entire body of water outside it and use military force to board ships and detain their passengers.

This is extra unfortunate because it will only make Hamas less inclined to work on the peace process. With all the negative publicity Israel is getting due to this, Palestinian extremists suddenly got a lot more leeway.

[The Leader]

Israel claims that a couple pistols were taken from soldiers after they repelled onto a ship from a helicopter. The firearms were then used on the soldiers causing the firefight to erupt. It weren't no slingshots.

[The Leader]

Israeli commandos rappelled on ropes from a helicopter and army videos showed them being attacked by angry activists with metal rods and one soldier being thrown off the ship. Others jumped overboard to escape the angry mob. Israeli authorities said they were attacked by knives, clubs and live fire from two pistols wrested from soldiers. The soldiers then opened fire, killing nine.

I'd shoot innocent people too. :(

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians

[Blasted Child]

Ok, fair enough. I'm really disappointed that the passengers used violence as a response to the boarding.
But it's still quite interesting...this whole scenario could very well fall back on one of the most honoured and protected american principles - namely the right to protect yourself against trespassing, at virtually any cost.

If this had been another situation, let's say an american non-military vessel on its way to, let's say the Congo, and the ship was suddenly boarded by Angolan coastguard (ok I'm just throwing out stuff here, don't point out if it's unlikely or whatever) noone in their right mind, especially not Americans, would consider it strange or unappropriate or unlawful if the American charity workers used whatever weapons they could find to protect themselves.

[The Leader]

Yes, because they would be American aid workers being accosted by a bunch of black people. And America can do no wrong. Ever. Never ever ever because America is awesomer than everyone else.

The soldiers should not be blamed for opening fire, which seems to be what everyone is so focused on. The aid workers are to blame for trying to kill the soldiers, but what it comes down to, as you wrote before, is that this "raid" was supposedly conducted in international waters where no one has jurisdiction and where the aid ships would not be violating any sort of blockade. That and an amount of force was deployed that didn't need to be. It probably just resulted from some bureaucratic mistake in some Israeli Defense Forces office building. Israel will get a swat across the fanny and be sent on their merry way and a single tear will roll down Coolie's cheek as our children's water continues to be fluoridated by the Free Masons.

[Dimnos]

The deference there is that Angola, or whatever podunk African country, is a third world country no one gives a fuck about. Israel on the other hand is a major power whos neighbors have sworn to wipe off the face of the earth. Their neighbors have repeatedly kidnapped and/or killed citizens. They even have rockets fired into their country somewhat regularly. You can see why they would be a little more defensive about their borders. When the Israelis board a ship like they they probably dont go in shooting. They probably just secure the ship then search it. Angolans on the other hand would probably come running on board with axes and rocks or whatever weapons they have waving overhead screaming.

[Blasted Child]

ok guys, thanks for your answers!

[Colonel Flagg]

I'm really disappointed that the passengers used violence as a response to the boarding.

Exactly.

What makes me wonder is that the aid workers knew from past experience that there was a high likliehood that they would be boarded by an Israeli patrol boat, helicopter or some such device. That they were in international waters matters diddly-squat - they knew it was coming.

So why mount any resistance at all? If they're truly innocent and blame-free, stand back and let the soldiers do their job. If they're trying to smuggle contraband, screw them - they got what they deserved.

Bottom line - tension is extremely high in the region (:dunce) and any sort of provocation would be enough to set a single individual to fire a single shot. Then all hell breaks loose.

So. This is a powder-keg looking for a match. Why do it at all - I don't buy the "humanitarian aid" aspect of it, as aid can get through the blockade (albeit slowly). Plus, you probably have more than a few "greenhorn" soldiers who may be a little jumpy/have itchy trigger-fingers. My guess? I'm thinking the volunteers were sabotaged by an individual or individuals who wanted the Israeli soldiers to fire on and kill a few people. For precisely the reasons stated in most of the commentary - to make Israel look like the bully in the schoolyard, and get world sympathy behind Gaza, and by inference, Hamas.

It's very sad - now the people in Gaza have to suffer more, all for the stupidity of a few individuals on the flotilla, and a few too-trigger-happy Israeli soldiers. Plus it sets the political process back months, if not years.

But it's still quite interesting...this whole scenario could very well fall back on one of the most honoured and protected american principles - namely the right to protect yourself against trespassing, at virtually any cost.

Doesn't apply here. The US Coast Guard does this all the time, on vessels suspected of trafficking in cocaine or other contraband. If you're approached by a self-identified military vessel and asked to heave-to, you'd better well do it.

If this had been another situation, let's say an american non-military vessel on its way to, let's say the Congo, and the ship was suddenly boarded by Angolan coastguard (ok I'm just throwing out stuff here, don't point out if it's unlikely or whatever) noone in their right mind, especially not Americans, would consider it strange or unappropriate or unlawful if the American charity workers used whatever weapons they could find to protect themselves.

Strictly speaking, I'd guess the US Consulate would make provisions for their safe passage long before any incident took place. It's not foolproof, but it does make for slightly easier accessability. And, (I may be wrong) I think this has happened before, where aid workers were turned away, or refused entry, and they had to either go back, or go to a neighboring country. Maybe the recent situation in Myanmar?

[Tadao]

This isn't America

[The Leader]

and a few too-trigger-happy Israeli soldiers.
Did you miss the part where they were being shot at?

[Dimnos]

I would really have liked to see them, the Israelis, pull up to the flotilla and announce they would be sinking it in the next five hours. Anyone not wishing to go down with the ship could contact the Israelis who would take them home. Then after the five hours they would sink the thing. :lol

[Blasted Child]

Did you miss the part where they were being shot at?

Trigger-happy and incompetent, I guess it is then

[kahljorn]

HERES THE GREYISH-BROWN AREA:

FUCK ALL OF THOSE ASSHOLES.

[Tadao]

How dare they shoot at someone who is firing a gun at them. I'm outraged.

[Pentegarn]

Well I feel the blame lies at the feet of Harry Truman. He declared Israel a nation.

Israel hits back (maybe harder than a nation should, but showing weakness in that area in that situation would be tantamount to asking for invasion). Heck the US supporting them is pretty much the only thing we have followed through with as a country in the last century.

[Colonel Flagg]

2pts for consistency. Yay us!

[The Leader]

I think Blasted Child is a anti Semite and probably a terrorist.

[Blasted Child]

How dare they shoot at someone who is firing a gun at them. I'm outraged.

ah but you have to agree it's pretty incompetent to board a ship like that. Not only are you a military commando versus a motley crew of activists with sticks and chairs; you manage to get your weapons stolen from you, used against you, and then you end up killing like a dozen of them. That's some pretty bad crowd control if you ask me, but then again I'm no military expert.

Pentegarn, unfortunately this display of brute force doesn't work in favour of Israel - you see, outside of USA, the world kind of thinks that Israel sucks right now. Maybe apart from Palau, you never know with Palau. Every time Israel employs excessive force they lose another chunk of credibility.

As a person who grew up with lectures by holocaust-survivors, films about the holocaust, books about the holocaust (in Sweden during the eighties and nineties there were books informing about the holocaust and the crimes against the jews handed out by the government free of charge) and with Anne Frank's diary as pretty much a mandatory part of the school curriculum, I'm extremely sad that the image of Israel as a victim is being washed out and replaced by Israel as an aggressor.

[Pentegarn]

Pentegarn, unfortunately this display of brute force doesn't work in favour of Israel - you see, outside of USA, the world kind of thinks that Israel sucks right now. Maybe apart from Palau, you never know with Palau. Every time Israel employs excessive force they lose another chunk of credibility.

I think that's exactly why Israel is so aggressive. Everyone hated them from the get go when all they did was go where Truman put them. Decades of hatred for something that you didn't really start in the first place, and centuries of hatred for being born who you are born as tends to harden anyone.

[Dimnos]

They didnt know who or what was really on that ship. For all they knew it was Hamas sympathizers trying to sneak in weapons. For their own safety they had to search the ship. Cant blame them for that. I dont know exactly what happened on the ship but if you are repelling down from a helicopter I can see how it would be easy to get swarmed and have a handgun on your side pulled away from you.

The nation of Israel is in the same place as the kingdom of Israel was. So if you want to get into who took whos land from who... They just took back what was theirs since before the common era.

What is excessive force these days? With terrorists blowing shit up, countries vowing to wipe them off the face of the earth, people being kidnapped and rockets being shot into homes where does restraint begin? If it comes down to the choice of credibility vs survivability?

[The Leader]

ah but you have to agree it's pretty incompetent to board a ship like that. Not only are you a military commando versus a motley crew of activists with sticks and chairs; you manage to get your weapons stolen from you, used against you, and then you end up killing like a dozen of them. That's some pretty bad crowd control if you ask me, but then again I'm no military expert.
I agree, they should have fired tear gas onto the ship prior to boarding, thus preventing the supposedly peaceful activists from swarming the soldiers. Of course some idiot probably just assumed that the activists would comply with the boarding party.

Pentegarn, unfortunately this display of brute force doesn't work in favour of Israel - you see, outside of USA, the world kind of thinks that Israel sucks right now.
Next you're going to say that some people don't like the US! :x

I'm extremely sad that the image of Israel as a victim is being washed out and replaced by Israel as an aggressor.
Where have you been the last 20 years? Sure, at the beginning Israel was only responding to outside threats but I'm pretty sure by the eighties shit was bad. Hell, even in the 70's they were assassinating people. Israel would be screwed if they weren't the rat bastards that they are, so of course they're aggressive and of course everyone knows that. It just depends whether or not you think said aggression is justified.

[kahljorn]

The nation of Israel is in the same place as the kingdom of Israel was. So if you want to get into who took whos land from who... They just took back what was theirs since before the common era.

well yea and they took it from the canaanites and also the jews stole the muslims inheritance or some shit anyway when that one esau dude wore sheep skin.

[Tadao]

http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html

[Dimnos]

Im just saying that if you want to get into who was where first they have just as much claim to to area as anyone.

[Tadao]

Or a right to take it.

[Dimnos]

Or that.

[Tadao]

It seems to me that Bastard Child created this thread so that he can be mad at Americans for being Americans. He has small penis complex.

[Dr. Boogie]

ah but you have to agree it's pretty incompetent to board a ship like that. Not only are you a military commando versus a motley crew of activists with sticks and chairs; you manage to get your weapons stolen from you, used against you, and then you end up killing like a dozen of them. That's some pretty bad crowd control if you ask me, but then again I'm no military expert.

That's true. The Geneva Convention states that when a civilian wrestles a gun away from a soldier, that civilian is allowed to take no less than 5 free penalty shots.

[The Leader]

:lol

[Blasted Child]

Im just saying that if you want to get into who was where first they have just as much claim to to area as anyone.

I don't think I ever expressed an interest to get into that. But since you did, let's just say it's a bit more complicated than Israelis just claiming what is rightfully theirs.
Sweden wouldn't invade Finland just because we once owned that land, just as it would be wrong by native americans to start bombing american cities because the land was originally theirs. And the case Israel/Palestine isn't even that clear cut.

Also, most of you seem to only focus on how the acitivists reacted when boarded. Why are you not condemning the boarding itself - since when is it alright to attack a non-military ship on international waters and detain its passengers? Apart from the handguns that were allegedly stolen from the Israeli commandos, the ships carried food and medicine.

You seem to regard the Israeli soldiers as some sort of police force that was just doing their job, like when riot police cracks down on a bunch of football hooligans somewhere, and the civilians had better comply or suit themselves.
This isn't like that - this is a foreign military force attacking civilians, outside of their territory - civilians not even on their way to their territory but to a third-part land.

Let's not forget that the global community, as well as UN, consider the blockade illegal and a war crime. If you want to provide Gaza with supplies, and refuse to let Israel dictate the premises, how would you go about?

When I hear Israel complain about how unfairly the rest of the world is treating them, it reminds of when certain colleagues find it unfair when their entire workplace hates them. If everyone thinks you suck, there's probably some truth in it, and you should probably start changing a bit.
If you think the whole world hates you and don't realise you're partly to blame, you're either subject to some really heavy propaganda, or a sociopath.

[Pentegarn]

Keep in mind the same kind of people who think it is OK to hate Israel include the likes of the following

Hitler
The people who perpetrated 9/11
Slavers

So before you go and say there's something to how the world views Israel, you might want to look at the company in which you find yourself

[Blasted Child]

oh but ffs
Israel can't be criticized because hitler hated jews?

[Pentegarn]

Also

Skinheads
Saddam Hussein
the KKK

[Pentegarn]

Here's the whole problem with what you are doing versus "criticizing Israel"

You insinuate Israel went into this intending to slaughter activists. If you didn't feel that way why condemn the boarding at all? Activists get detained and arrested every day. What makes these ones so special?

What makes them special is they were killed because they went beyond the level of civil disobedience.

I read a few articles about this. In every one, the Israeli commandos were told there would be no resistance and this would be a simple 'arrest of protesters'. They get on board and these 'men of peace' attacked the Israeli troops, putting lie to everything they claim to be about. The Israeli troops were not mentally prepared for that sort of reaction. In other words, their intent when they boarded was no violence in the first place.

And that is why I refuse to condemn the boarding. Those troops defended themselves while following their orders, and until I see evidence to the contrary, I will not feel differently about this.

[Blasted Child]

no no no, just stop! You're wrong on so many accounts....just writing another post with more groups/people that hate jews is just so ultra-wrong...

Bringing up all that crap is just a cheap shot to question my integrity...am I in the "company" of hitler, kkk, skinheads because I want to condemn a particular event? Don't you see how damaging this is to the entire discourse?

What are we going to do, compare just how appalled we both are by the holocaust? Talk about how many times we've read Anne Frank's diary? How much we've both done to counter neo-nazism and those movements, and if we do, do you think you'll win?

And then you say I have insinuated that israelis went in there with the intention to "slaughter" innocent...what I've done is to condemn strongly how they boarded a non-military vessel on international waters...and I've ALSO deplored the fact that the activists used violence.

Can't you at least pretend to reply to the points I've brought up, instead of filling this thread with cheap ad-hominems?

[Kitsa]

I think that after the Shoah, Israel snapped and became a little...well, let's call it proactive. And, knowing of this proactive reputation, things can get spun to the point where no one is ever going to know what the real story is. If Israel is in the right, it's believable because of x historical event, and if they're in the wrong, it's believable because of x historical event.

I'm sorry people are dead.

In what I'm sure will appear to be a non-sequitur, have you ever watched "From the Aleph-Bet"? Because I often come away from that being mad at the world. A rip-roaring good time it is. See for yourself.

http://shalomtv.org/PGMG_AlephBet.htm

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kitsa_for_imockery/alephbet.jpg

[The Leader]

And then you say I have insinuated that israelis went in there with the intention to "slaughter" innocent...what I've done is to condemn strongly how they boarded a non-military vessel on international waters...and I've ALSO deplored the fact that the activists used violence.

Can't you at least pretend to reply to the points I've brought up, instead of filling this thread with cheap ad-hominems?
But you said that the soldiers themselves were incompetent. I don't see what that has to do with the orders being given for them to board the vessels and I think many people here are reacting to your focus on the soldiers themselves, hence the reason we defended them and made fun of you for thinking that somehow they could magically avoid being mobbed by people who they thought would comply with their instructions. Instead you should be focusing on the policy makers and others who actually ordered this to occur as opposed to mocking the soldiers. I, however, have yet to see you address that aspect.

Your request for no ad hominems being employed is also hypocritical as your early posts in this thread demonstrate.

[Blasted Child]

The Leader, please, count the posts where I've made ad-hominem attacks and compare them them with the once I've received...we're not even playing in the same ballpark here.

I don't mind at all jokes about small penis size or whatever, because this is i-mockery after all, but you can't both pretend to run a pertinent debate, then jump to asserting that I'm anti-semitic, then suddenly jump to being sensitive about me "mocking" israeli soldiers...
yes, I stand by the opinion that their crowd dispersal skills sucked pretty hard - but I can agree with your sentiment that the decision makers should be more in focus and not the soldiers themselves.

I also sort of regret that I started a thread where it seems like I'm stabbing at americans, so I promise that next time I start a debate it will not include americans or their shortcomings in any conceivable way.

[Tadao]

So, you hate americans, jews and blacks. You sure Sweden and Switzerland aren't the same?

[The Leader]

The Leader, please, count the posts where I've made ad-hominem attacks and compare them them with the once I've received...we're not even playing in the same ballpark here.

I don't mind at all jokes about small penis size or whatever, because this is i-mockery after all, but you can't both pretend to run a pertinent debate, then jump to asserting that I'm anti-semitic, then suddenly jump to being sensitive about me "mocking" israeli soldiers...
yes, I stand by the opinion that their crowd dispersal skills sucked pretty hard - but I can agree with your sentiment that the decision makers should be more in focus and not the soldiers themselves.

I also sort of regret that I started a thread where it seems like I'm stabbing at americans, so I promise that next time I start a debate it will not include americans or their shortcomings in any conceivable way.
You have no idea what's going on in this thread. :lol

[Pentegarn]

Blasted Child may be the new politics board toy :lol

[Tadao]

tool

[Pentegarn]

Can I be a tool? And if so, what sort of tool? Am I a miter saw? I think I am a miter saw

[Tadao]

I think you are more of a cement mixer. :o

[Pentegarn]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q1/Pentegarn/7990_brickset.jpg

[Blasted Child]

Boring.

You're like this little inbred island village, where everyone is allergic to outsiders or other opinions. The only difference is that since this place is called i-mockery you believe that everything you say somehow magically becomes brilliant mockery.

[Pentegarn]

And you are a little moron who doesn't get the site that he posts on.

Now that we understand each other, you can go back to YTMND or whatever lame forums you came from.

There are actual valid points in amongst the mockery, if you bothered to look beyond it and not take every post so damn personally, you would see that. Everyone else in this thread gets it, why don't you?

While on the subject of ignoring things

Keep in mind the same kind of people who think it is OK to hate Israel include the likes of the following....

You took offense to this, but for it to actually be meant to be about you (as opposed to be what I was intending it to be), you would have to admit you hate Jews. Is this the case? Are you trying to tell us something? If so then by all means carry on with your anti-semitic self. If however, you do not hate Jews then you should not have taken offense to this and therefore need to shut it.

You insinuate Israel went into this intending to slaughter activists. If you didn't feel that way why condemn the boarding at all? Activists get detained and arrested every day. What makes these ones so special?

And then you say I have insinuated that israelis went in there with the intention to "slaughter" innocent...what I've done is to condemn strongly how they boarded a non-military vessel on international waters...and I've ALSO deplored the fact that the activists used violence.

Way to selectively answer my post by the way. But when you brought it up the way you did, ("if they faced resistance because of this act, they're not really entitled to complain. And as they ended up killing up to ten passengers, whatever mitigating circumstances they can bring up are pretty moot in the big picture.") and then glossed over the fact that the article (and several others) said they had no idea there would be any violence and the resistance came as a complete surprise, makes you come off as someone with an anti-Israeli agenda who feels these troops had no right to defend themselves during a military operation. (That is the root of why you are being mocked by the way)

I will ask one more time, then give it up as a lack or reading comprehension on your part.

If you didn't feel that way why condemn the boarding at all? Activists get detained and arrested every day. What makes these ones so special?

[The Leader]

I've got a conspiracy for ya: Blasted Child = Coolinator? You decide! :O

[Dimnos]

I don't think I ever expressed an interest to get into that.

No you didnt. Its just people bitching about Israel being there in the first place is one of the arguments I hear most often. I simply wanted to address it and get it out of the way. And In that regard Im just saying they have as much right to be there as anyone else in the area. The difference between Israel and Sweden is that Sweden gets along with its neighbors. Hell I bet they all visit each others countries and respect and enjoy each others cultures. Israel isnt so fortunate to have such good neighbors. :(

And the case Israel/Palestine isn't even that clear cut.

I quoted this because it is probably the most accurate and truthful thing that will be said in this entire thread.

Also, most of you seem to only focus on how the acitivists reacted when boarded. Why are you not condemning the boarding itself - since when is it alright to attack a non-military ship on international waters and detain its passengers? Apart from the handguns that were allegedly stolen from the Israeli commandos, the ships carried food and medicine.

I dont condemn the boarding. In fact if it were my call to make I would have approved the boarding. Maybe in a slightly different way to try and avoid events such as the ones that took place but maybe thats just hindsight talking. I stand by this position because Gaza is a hot spot for violence and terrorism. For all the Israeli government knew this ship was trying to sneak in weapons and other military supplies in with the food and medical supplies. How are they to know? The only way is to search the ship. Given the nature of the situation in Gaza I really dont feel like they were out of line with conducting a search. Possibly the way they did it. They probably should have pulled up next to it in their own ship and loudly declared in multiple languages that they intended to search the ship and why. Informed the activists that they would be coming on board but had no intention of detaining them for long. If they had nothing to hide they shouldnt of had a problem with this.

You seem to regard the Israeli soldiers as some sort of police force that was just doing their job, like when riot police cracks down on a bunch of football hooligans somewhere, and the civilians had better comply or suit themselves.
This isn't like that - this is a foreign military force attacking civilians, outside of their territory - civilians not even on their way to their territory but to a third-part land. Let's not forget that the global community, as well as UN, consider the blockade illegal and a war crime.

Israel doesnt really want anything to do with Gaza anymore. A few years ago they declared they were no longer running the joint and wanted all responsibility placed in the hands of the PLO. The UN and a few other people still consider it to be Israels responsibility though. So for the sake of the safety of its own people and because it is what the international community expect of it, they police the strip.

If you want to provide Gaza with supplies, and refuse to let Israel dictate the premises, how would you go about?

If you are trying to get into Gaza but want to avoid Israeli interference you are probably smuggling weapons in and deserve to have you shit detained. As far as how I would do it? Probably go in through Egypt or something I dont know.

When I hear Israel complain about how unfairly the rest of the world is treating them, it reminds of when certain colleagues find it unfair when their entire workplace hates them. If everyone thinks you suck, there's probably some truth in it, and you should probably start changing a bit.
If you think the whole world hates you and don't realise you're partly to blame, you're either subject to some really heavy propaganda, or a sociopath.

Do your work colleagues regularly announce how they want to kill you. Do they regularly kidnap your friends and family? Do they throw bricks in through the windows of your car and house? What if everyone at work hates you just because your of a different religion or race? Does that still place the blame in your lap?

[Pentegarn]

I've got a conspiracy for ya: Blasted Child = Coolinator? You decide! :O
:lol

[kahljorn]

I'm sure they are both somebodies characters. Maybe even the same persons :O

blasted child seems like they've only made posts with the intent of baiting people. At least, thats how it looked to me.

When I hear Israel complain about how unfairly the rest of the world is treating them, it reminds of when certain colleagues find it unfair when their entire workplace hates them. If everyone thinks you suck, there's probably some truth in it, and you should probably start changing a bit.Dimnos makes a good point on this topic. So, like, when everyone hated ******s, jews, women, gays etc. there was actually TRUTH in it and in fact all of these "Civil rights" are all a fraud! We were completely justified in our actions. It wasn't "biggoted fucks" that needed to change, it was THEM.

HEY EVERYONE HATES MUSLIM TERRORIST FUCKS RIGHT? THERE MUST BE SOME REASON FOR THAT. MAYBE THE SOLDIERS WERE JUSTIFIED AFTER ALL.

[Pentegarn]

Neither of them get what's going on the threads they are in :lol

[kahljorn]

QUESTION FOR THIS THREAD:

WHAT IS A BLOCKADE?

[The Leader]

THE TYPE OF SHIP THAT PRINCESS LEIA WAS CAPTURED IN AT THE BEGINNING OF STAR WARS IS CALLED A BLOCKADE RUNNER

[kahljorn]

YEA, SO OBVIOUSLY THE PALESTENIANS AND BLASTED CHILD ARE THE ONES AT FAULT

:rolleyes YOU IGNORANT FCKS

[kahljorn]

reading what "intelligent" people say on this issue is such horse shit.

"WELL, IT WASNT ACTUALLY A BLOCKADE"

"WELL, HOW CAN YOU HAVE A BLOCKADE WHEN THERE IS NO ARMED CONFLICT?"

"ISRAEL IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE PEOPLE ON THAT BOAT :rolleyes"

"WITH HAMAS? THATS RIDICULOUS! HAMAS DOESNT OWN ANYTHING."

"ISRAEL OWNS EVERYTHING. THE WHOLE GAZA. THEY ARE JUST AT WAR WITH THEMSELVES." < lol thats like the dumbest point cause then couldn't they just claim they are embargoing? or refusing aid?? im sure there's laws about embargoing but im pretty sure a country has the right to refuse aid.

anyway, the only good point ive seen is that you cant blockade on the high seas. well, not that its a good point just that i can't find a lot contradicting it. there's these two situations with the virginius and the caroline which were pretty similar...

[Kitsa]

New boatload of Irish protesters on the way to go get pwned, or so I saw on the news.

I still don't get why people are constantly surprised to find that Israel takes itself Really Fucking Seriously.

[kahljorn]

everybody probably thinks that they would be very nice or something

[The Leader]

Well, I mean, they're a bunch of Jews, aren't they? When was the last time you met a mean Jew?

[Colonel Flagg]

And the Irish aid vessel is boarded and ... they didn't resist! And the situation ends peacefully.

How 'bout it, folks! (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/05/gaza.flotilla/index.html?hpt=T2)

The ship was taken to Ashdod, Israel, where its cargo will be offloaded and screened. People on board will be processed by immigration officials and flown to their countries of origin as soon as possible, Israel said.

[The Leader]

Such bad crowd control. :rolleyes

[Tadao]

Why would anyone bring aid to Palestinians? How about moving to a Muslim friendly country. :rolleyes

[Colonel Flagg]

:lol

[Dimnos]

That would be to easy. :rolleyes

[AChimp]

Those aid workers were just looking to start shit and got what they deserved, IMO. They knew that they would be boarded (that's the point of a blockade) and they went with the express purpose of running the blockade. It doesn't matter if they were only carrying food and medicine; nothing gets in (that's the point of a blockade).

Since the soldiers were told that there would be no resistance, and all the small boats had surrendered peacefully already, why would they have been expecting trouble from the last boat? Seems to me like the people on that boat wanted to provoke a fight. The "we were just defending ourselves" excuse is just bullshit because:

a) they knew that it was the Israeli Army, not Air Pirates repelling down from helicopters that were flown from their secret volcano island base.

b) they would have been questioned, inspected, steered to an approved port where their cargo would be unloaded and eventually be delivered to Gaza.

It also doesn't matter that they were in international waters. They were close to the Israeli border and they had already announced on websites and stuff that they fully intended to to cross.