New Possible Anti Piracy Law

[DougClayton4231]

Holy Unconstitutional Law Batman! Our current administration is planning some 1984/Minority Report shit to stop all your downloadin'. This law will criminalize DRM circumvention (Converting AAC to MP3), typing certain keywords into search engines (anything involving torrents or an equivalent), and of course, downloading files they deem to be illegal. This is why I refuse to vote for a corrupt two party system.

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18815

[The Leader]

Philosophy and politics. :rolleyes

[Fathom Zero]

There'll be good people out there subverting this shit if it happens, (which it won't). :rolleyes

[Evil Robot]

Yeah really, what right does anybody have to protect thier investments? All I know is if company spends milions of dollars to create something it should IMMEDEATLY become public domain. I mean if I pull 80 hours a week, I think it's perfectly fine that some other person who didn't do a thing should get 50% of my paycheck. After all, they want it, so they should be entitled to it.

How are all these lazy people supposed to make a living off other peoples efforts if it becomes a crime to steal?

Also, I think we should repeal the ban on spammers. It's perfectly fine that Rog spends his time and money on this site so other people can advertise products on it for free without his consent. I see nothing wrong with that.

[Fathom Zero]

Go eat a bag of dicks, sir.

[Evil Robot]

Just as long as the dicks were created by somebody else and I didn't compensate them financially for the dicks.

[Evil Robot]

Also, if the dicks could be 480 copies of a 1080 dick with surround sound that has been converted to mono, that would be great. I also don't want any of the box art that ussually comes with the dicks.

[kahljorn]

i dont think software pirates make a lot of money from pirating

[kahljorn]

:It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk"). This is among the first official "thought crime" provisions to be proposed by the U.S. government."

:lol

[Tadao]

It might force people to go outside and ride a bike!

[kahljorn]

man if everybody starts riding bikes they'll probably criminalize bikes :(

[Zhukov]

I'm sort of for thought crime punishments while we're at it.

[DougClayton4231]

lol the thing is that most people use the items that they download for personal use, not for resale or distribution. If I miss an episode of Heroes or something, I'll just download it and watch it. With this new law, I am a dirty criminal and deserve to be punished for not watching primetime television.

[The Leader]

What's wrong with punishing you for being a loser?

[Dimnos]

You dont own a DVR yet? Come on dude.

[Sethomas]

The conclusion to be drawn is that it should become illegal to not own a DVR.

A few days ago I was talking to someone about how industries vulnerable to digital piracy need to rely on a paradigm shift rather than legislation because of the relative ease of subverting laws. I don't think you can justify piracy as being something other than theft, but at the same time if some studio makes a plotless movie with a $150 million budget that is only watched by people who download it, they should realize they dug their own grave. I think that the music industry still exists because they gave up the ghost on halting mp3 downloads and shifted profit models to favor things like iTunes and live performances. The motion picture industry has proven that similar tactics can be effective: people spent $1 billion to watch Avatar as an "experience", whether in IMAX, 3D, or both. Someone who downloads Avatar to watch it at home just ends up with a tedious "Ferngully: The Last Rainforest" knockoff with a little more profanity and a lot less creativity.

I also wonder how television stays afloat when people no longer are required to endure commercials. JJ Abrams spoke on NPR how this is a "golden age" of television because tv studios have to compete with the internet. They're investing in programs that require a huge effort to get into them. I find shows like Lost and Heroes insufferable because their focus seems to have been to just make the shows addictive rather than creative. It's like how restaurants add certain ingredients to foods that make you crave eating them without actually tasting good. People hated the final episode of Lost because they realized they were duped and the subplots they pondered for months ended up not contributing to the story. What did they expect?

[Evil Robot]

I think this law is specically to target people who download, burn, then sell DVDs in various places. For instance, every single day I see Korean people walking the subway chanting "DVD movie DVD movie" and I see these people pull in $20-30 in the time it takes to go one stop. As for the "imminent infringement" thing, this gives the prosecuters the ability prove that the pirater downloaded it to sell illegally.
There entire shops in china that sell nothing but pirated crap and this law might also help convince the chinese big shots to follow suit and finally start prosecuting counterfeiters.

[Fathom Zero]

Yeah, but, and it's really fucking clichéd to say, it never stops there. It won't stop at the guys selling bootlegs, nor will they be able to catch the guys that are really good at it.

The DMCA didn't do anything to stop people that really wanted to download music, but it did let the RIAA sue plenty of people for frivolous shit. The woman that was accused of downloading 24 songs off of Kazaa four years ago and was billed $1,920,000 for them still is being fucked by the RIAA. The case hasn't closed yet and only now they're trying to avoid a third trial.

If this goes through, (I still don't believe it will, considering that the democrats don't have as much of a majority in Congress and the approval rating of this administration is in the shitter), the bad guys will just reinvent themselves and adapt to the new law and regular people are gonna get fucked on it.

[Evil Robot]

Rod Blagojevich

[Evil Robot]

No senator or congressman is going to show up to vote for this little unimprotant bill anyway. I say it gets about 10 people voting on it and it comes down to some senile old man who thinks it has something to do with negroe's rights.

[DougClayton4231]

Fuck DVR's and paying for cable. I have better things to spend my money on and I don't watch TV anymore. The internet is much more useful for viewing the things I want to see without commercials. But then again half of the legit shit on the internet is getting commercials, so fuck it all.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway, seeing as Obama and the people in his administration probably will never be employed in the US government again. I just hope they don't take a shit in the sink on the way out.

[The Leader]

You're still in high school, aren't you?

[Evil Robot]

OMG STOP BEING A PEDOPHILE.

[The Leader]

Don't judge me.

[kahljorn]

I don't know if the source is accurate but i heard that the record/movie industry posted record profits for the past two years ;/ :lol What a bunch of whiny fucks. I also find it interesting that when they sue people they sue them for more money then they probably would've ever made selling it legitimately.

something about this reminds me of the oil thing where they were like, "WE GOTTA INCREASE THE COST BECAUSE WeRE LOSINg SO MUCH MONEY" and then they posted record profits for the next few years ;/

[Tadao]

Fuck DVR's and paying for cable. I have better things to spend my money on and I don't watch TV anymore. The internet is much more useful for viewing the things I want to see without commercials. But then again half of the legit shit on the internet is getting commercials, so fuck it all.

I guess it doesn't matter anyway, seeing as Obama and the people in his administration probably will never be employed in the US government again. I just hope they don't take a shit in the sink on the way out.

Fucking hell. Go to Hulu or wait for it to come out on dvd. Stop being a spoiled little brat.

[Fathom Zero]

Fucking Hulu. So he can watch his Ramsay's Kitchen Nightmares or Family Guy.

I don't pay for TV programming, it's rolled into my bill. If I could cut it out, I would because I haven't watched TV in over a year. It just doesn't matter to me. It's not like I have to fight it, I'm just not interested. And anything good, I usually buy on DVD, like Breaking Bad.

Really, though, Netflix has completely replaced television, especially after I got my iPad. That shit's running near constantly.

[Dimnos]

Yeah Doug get Netflix. Its only $9 a month. Hell the blank DVDs to pirate movies cost more than that. :rolleyes

[Fathom Zero]

I just watched all of CSI from my browser because I felt like it. I didn't have to download anything, didn't have to sit through commercials. And then I went to watch Air Force One. :lol

[kahljorn]

netflix's instant streaming shit generally has a horrible selection :(
dont need dvds to pirate ;o

[Dimnos]

For $9 they send you whatever you order. Hell I think you can drop it down to $7 and you just dont get the streaming shit.

[Evil Robot]

What I find hilarious is that if you live in within 50 miles of any city, you can get a shitload of channels on an antenna now. Everybody buys these $2000 TVs and has no idea what the best possible picture actually looks like. I built a coat hanger antenna and I get 70 channels in NYC and the good ones are in the highest possible bit rate which isn't possible on cable or fiber or your stupid "you tube".

[kahljorn]

well you get one dvd at a time what if you want to like i dont know watch more than one movie NETZFLIX AINT SO MAGIC IS IT

netflix is good for tv shows and stuff though and occasionally the movies aren't heinous :(

[Fathom Zero]

I get three DVDs at a time and turnaround is usually only a day or so.

[kahljorn]

right but that's more than 8 dollars or whatever

[Fathom Zero]

I think it might be eighteen for the three. But it's rather inconsequential, considering I don't pay for TV, nor really watch it. Between the three rentals and the instant view, I've yet to be disappointed.

[kahljorn]

well i guess pirates might feel what you feel but times a hundred cause they don't pay for anything.

i thought you said tv was bundled with your bill? if so you do kinda pay for it ;/

[DougClayton4231]

Wow, you guys jump to conclusions. I don't watch TV because there is nothing worth watching currently. They canceled Heroes when it went to shit and 24 went to shit years ago. I've heard that Battlestar Galactica is good, but it's on like the 5th season so fuck that. I've had Netflix for months (which is awesome) and it fulfills all my TV watching needs.

I never understand people's views on downloading shit you can already see or hear for free. Who is it hurting again? I never buy shit I see or hear in commercials, so it's not like I am a potential customer.

Evil Robot, you're pretty lucky. I had that free, shitty digital antenna service in Tampa and I was lucky if I could pick up PBS because the signals were so weak.

[Tadao]

Well you might not understand it, but that's how shows like Heroes and 24 make money to go another season. You just don't want to look any further than your comfort zone. You are what the world calls an "Ugly American".

[Fathom Zero]

well i guess pirates might feel what you feel but times a hundred cause they don't pay for anything.

i thought you said tv was bundled with your bill? if so you do kinda pay for it ;/

I do, but I can't get rid of it. I think of it like a tax.

[DougClayton4231]

Uh Tadao, I have no idea what you're talking about. If I don't want to watch seven minutes of commercials in between every five to ten minutes of show that makes me "an ugly American"? I'm a first generation American, who pays taxes, buys products, and works for a living. I guess I'm a bad person for bypassing other people's arbitrary barriers. Please refrain from making judgments about me, because you have no have no actual knowledge about me. :P

[The Leader]

You're also an idiot, apparently.

[Babs]

Such an ugly American thing to say.

[The Leader]

:lol

[kahljorn]

i wonder how many television shows have been canceled because there were too many pirates

[Evil Robot]

MTV's Somalia Spring Break Yacht Party

[The Leader]

I don't know if it's kosher to post two consecutive lols.

[Pentegarn]

As long as they aren't directly after each other, you are golden

[Zhukov]

I don't think you can get Home and Away on DVD so I have to pirate it.

[Fathom Zero]

I can't get some of shows from the UK that I watch, so I definitely do. And the ones that do come out on DVD are in a different region code. >:

So yeh, I download them. The Thick of It and Top Gear.

[Babs]

Just pirate all the given time then. Demonoid does wonders.

[Babs]

Edit: double post like a bitch

[Zhukov]

But you single post like a bitch, too.

[Fathom Zero]

OH SHIT

[Sam]

OH SNIP SNAP

[Tadao]

Uh Tadao, I have no idea what you're talking about. If I don't want to watch seven minutes of commercials in between every five to ten minutes of show that makes me "an ugly American"? I'm a first generation American, who pays taxes, buys products, and works for a living. I guess I'm a bad person for bypassing other people's arbitrary barriers. Please refrain from making judgments about me, because you have no have no actual knowledge about me. :P

It's simple you fucking greedy dolt. If RoG didn't have ads, his web site wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here to complain about stupid cry baby crap while the rest of the world struggles with bigger issues than "There is nothing on Free T.V. anymore I deserve better than this for free!".

Not like I expect you to understand simple economics though.

[kahljorn]

It's simple you fucking greedy dolt. If RoG didn't have ads, his web site wouldn't exist and you wouldn't be here to complain about stupid cry baby crap while the rest of the world struggles with bigger issues than "There is nothing on Free T.V. anymore I deserve better than this for free!".

Oh shit good point maybe we should ban people who view this page with pictures turned off cause they can't see the ads
they are RUINING the internet business.

[Tadao]

If ad blockers became illegal, I sure as hell wouldn't moan and bitch about it. I would steal the software and run it illegally and deal with the consequences if I got caught, same way I steal movies all the time.

[Tadao]

I bet you got all bent out of shape when air compressors at the gas station were no longer free. HOW DARE THEY SELL ME AIR!

[Dr. Boogie]

Aren't they required to give you free air if you buy gas in California?

[Tadao]

:lol They can't put gas in their Huffy's. :tear

[kahljorn]

most of the gas stations i go to aren't anal enough to care if you buy gas first and they don't charge you for air ;/

[Dimnos]

Wow, you guys jump to conclusions.

Please refrain from making judgments about me, because you have no have no actual knowledge about me. :P

We were just trying to make suggestions to help you with your problems. But yeah be a dick about it. :rolleyes


I don't watch TV because there is nothing worth watching currently. They canceled Heroes when it went to shit and 24 went to shit years ago.

Heroes was shit from day one and 24 was only good for one season.

I've heard that Battlestar Galactica is good, but it's on like the 5th season so fuck that.

Its actually over. I think it ended with six seasons. All of which you can rent from netflix and yes its good.

I've had Netflix for months (which is awesome) and it fulfills all my TV watching needs.

Wait? Then why are you in here crying when you could be telling Netflix to send you some Battlestar?

[Sam]

OR THE LIFETIME MOVIE OF THE WEEK, YOU PRISSY BITCH.

[Tadao]

HEY PUSSY, ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTIONS. YOU MADE A FUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT.

[kahljorn]

I ADDED SOMETHING ONTO MY NETFLIX QUE AND IT STILL HASN'T GOTTEN HERE. ITS BEEN FIVE DAYS.

[Dimnos]

Did you remember to send back the last movie they sent you?

[kahljorn]

:lol this is the first time ive asked for a movie since i renewed :( i got an email saying it should be here today

[Tadao]

What movie?

[kahljorn]

paranormal activity :( my girlfriend wanted to watch it

[Tadao]

Oh, I bet Netflix only owns one dvd of that movie.

[kahljorn]

VERY FUNNY

I'm probably also the only person who has rented it

[kahljorn]

I WAITED FIVE DAYS FR THIS PIECE OF SHIT!!!

[The Leader]

:lol

[Dimnos]

:lol