EPA Scientists & Workers Call for an End to Water Fluoridation Because of Cancer Risk

[TheCoolinator]

Eleven EPA employee unions representing over 7000 environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people. The unions acted following revelations of an apparent cover-up of evidence from Harvard School of Dental Medicine linking fluoridation with elevated risk of a fatal bone cancer in young boys.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/health/flouride090105.html

:lol

No really.....Sodium Fluoride is good for you.....

[The Leader]

So what is it, fluoride or "chemical wastes" that contain it that cause cancer? That website's discription and the one on the NTEU chapter 280 website of the issue differ. MAYBE THEY CAN'T GET THERE FACTS STRAIGHT EITHER! :x

[TheCoolinator]

So what is it, fluoride or "chemical wastes" that contain it that cause cancer?

They are one and the same.

[Dr. Boogie]

Sodium fluoride is good for you.

No, really.

[Pentegarn]

Sorry, your 'facts' have failed to convince me, what with me being alive and all after 30 something years of drinking tap water, brushing my teeth 2 times a day, and showering in the stuff daily.

Chew on those facts Coolie

[Tadao]

Funny how it only effects young boys, couldn't be anything else but tap water!

[The Leader]

They are one and the same.
But one of the sites referred to them as separate things.

[kahljorn]

this time im convinced

[Colonel Flagg]

MAYBE THEY CAN'T GET THERE FACTS STRAIGHT EITHER! :x

Indeed. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8570930/)

Other major studies have reached the opposite conclusion, including a 1995 study by the New York State Health Department that found fluoride exposure does not increase the risk for childhood osteosarcoma.

Looking at such localized groups ALWAYS carries a risk that other environmental or social effects could be coming into play. Even Freud admitted that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

[...] the Environmental Working Group does not oppose fluoridated toothpaste because most fluoride in toothpaste is not ingested.

Keep brushing! :lol

[Pentegarn]

Indeed. (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8570930/)



Looking at such localized groups ALWAYS carries a risk that other environmental or social effects could be coming into play. Even Freud admitted that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.



Keep brushing! :lol

You forgot this one at the end, and it was a gem

“I think the industry realizes that the public may not make the distinction,” Wiles said. "If fluoride gets a big black eye in tap water then the public is going to wonder about this fluoride in my toothpaste.”

Hear that Coolie? You are part of something!

That something is the public

In other words, you are the sheep you claim not to be and acted exactly as projected by the experts

[Zhukov]

I like where this thread has gone.


"The public are generally morons" says fluorologist Dr. Trevor Peter. "I wouldn't trust them to organise a shit in a brothel. No doubt some loony out there thinks that fluoride in your toothpaste is unhealthy. The tit."

[MLE]

SOURCE!

[TheCoolinator]

yawn*

[Colonel Flagg]

We don't share his worldview, so he sticks his fingers in his ears and sings.

I was going to offer him a better alternative than Tom's of Maine for a fluoride-free toothpaste, but screw that now.

[Pentegarn]

yawn*

I think you spelled "Sorry guys, I was wrong and should have listened" wrong

[Colonel Flagg]

I think you spelled "Sorry guys, I was wrong and should have listened" wrong

The "*" was for all the other missing letters.

[Pentegarn]

:lol

You win the internet sir!

[RaNkeri]

We don't share his worldview, so he sticks his fingers in his ears and sings.

"Gaps do not get filled by ignoring them"

:lol

[Blasted Child]

I remember once way back when I was but a silly teenager, I was going to a disco but had run out of deoderant, so in panic I smeared toothpaste under my armpits. It really started to burn after a while, so I'm inclined to chime in with Coolie here and say that toothpaste is evil

[Zhukov]

Haha, that's awesome.


SOURCE!

The boundless pastures of my imagination.

[Colonel Flagg]

I remember once way back when I was but a silly teenager, I was going to a disco but had run out of deoderant, so in panic I smeared toothpaste under my armpits.

Go to a doct- ... I mean an holistic medical practicioner immediately. They will probably diagnose you with Pit Cancer, and start you on a rigid therapy of rubbing pumice stones all over your upper torso and lymphatic system, which will of course include your nether regions.

Win-win, I say.

EDIT: The stones may be a bit too rough in places - maybe there's an option to use massage oil or organic whipped cream instead.

[Dimnos]

Tea tree oil dude. Its cures everything.

[Supafly345]

You see crap like this all the time, there is a National American Association of Doctors council that is fighting against obamacare, but its really a propaganda group with 2 doctors and 30 public relation officers as members. But they still get to say "LOOK WE ARE A GROUP OF DOCTORS YOU MUST LISTEN TO US."

Flouride may very well be dangerous, and these people might be doing legitimate research that will someday produce results to confirm their claims. But right now they are nothing but a authority by numbers fallacy claims PR group. As soon as you read something like "group representing 7000 people" as an argument, sirens should be going off in your head. I even did a google search to look for the ONE SINGLE PAPER they reference (since they don't provide a link to it) as proof in research, but I couldn't find it anywhere. All they provide is multiple formal letters from (I assume) important names demanding that flouride must be taken out of drinking water.

To put this all in perspective, there is a large group of people out there who are don't believe that microorganisms cause disease. They have a flotilla of doctors and healthcare professionals who are constantly fighting to 'change the system' for the good of mankind. Names as big as Bill Maher are on this boat, spending tons of money to prove it. And they have just as much evidence: fallacy ad populi and appeals to authority. Just because lots of people, and lots of important people beleive something doesn't make something more believable unless they have the proper data.

People don't like to think they are being manipulated, I understand that, and the idea that flouride was put in our water as some social experiment years ago perks up the ears of many people, without offering proper evidence.

I know, I know, TL;DR
But here's some truth: evidence may some day agree with you and everyone will go "OH SHIT THEY WERE RIGHT" and you'll feel real smart for knowing it all along. But in reality you were an idiot right up until the moment they found evidence, then you became lucky.

[kahljorn]

some of the letters referenced studies that had been done by other people :(

for the most part they were studies which he has already brought up on this message board... like, the rats that got cancer injesting the same amount of fluoride as humans would :lol

[Geggy]

PRZ4LQSonXA

[RaNkeri]

PRZ4LQSonXA

you only need to add the part which comes after =

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRZ4LQSonXA

[Dimnos]

Yeah. Im more worried about the frac water getting into our water systems than fluoride.

[Dimnos]

Although in the documentary Gas Land they talk about how devastating this natural gas drilling has fucked up the city of Fort Worth... Im still looking for it every day on my way to and from work. :\

[TheCoolinator]

The letter to EPA Administrator Stephen Johnson asked him to issue a public warning in the form of an advanced notice of proposed rulemaking setting the health-based drinking water standard for fluoride at zero

....

[The Leader]

Ok? Thanks for posting that.

[Pentegarn]

....

What the blue bloody hell did you just quote you freaking simpleton? An uncredited quote? That's supposed to back up your gossamer argument? For all I know you made it up.

I can do that

Coolinator is a tool, and his hygiene is at best questionable.

[executioneer]

coolinator could you quote something from a SCIENTIFIC STUDY perhaps instead of something that just states a group's opinion

[Colonel Flagg]

....

See what I did just there?

[kahljorn]

its from the link he posted. but yea, I dunno why he posted that.

the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, the federal agency that funded the Harvard study, saying there was no link between fluoridation and osteosarcoma.

....

[Colonel Flagg]

Coolinator is a tool, and his hygiene is at best questionable.

There. And I just quoted an unsubstantiated quotation.

This means something.

[Colonel Flagg]

Psyllium foamy ride

[Evil Robot]

This thread is so faggot. And gaps do get filled by ignoring them. They fill up with dust and shit.

[Dr. Boogie]

He's at the Geggy level of posting, where all you do is post your shaky research, then scoff at everyone who takes the time to debunk it.

[Evil Robot]

I bet coolinators breath smells really bad.

[Evil Robot]

He brushes his teeth with mayonnaise because its got no chemicals.

[Evil Robot]

And hes a pedophile.

[Pentegarn]

:lol

[Pentegarn]

This means something.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q1/Pentegarn/images-22.jpg

[Colonel Flagg]

He's at the Geggy level of posting, where all you do is post your shaky research, then scoff at everyone who takes the time to debunk it.

I disagree. Geggy posts very interesting and thought-provoking information in the Sports Forum.

[TheCoolinator]

coolinator could you quote something from a SCIENTIFIC STUDY perhaps instead of something that just states a group's opinion

Already did that in the last fluoride thread. :sleep

[Colonel Flagg]

And gaps do get filled by ignoring them. They fill up with dust and shit.

A latrine is a gap that is filled with shit, but that's usually done on purpose.

Hey, maybe that's his point - pay attention when you're crapping, or else you might miss the hole.

What am I thinking, he has no point, except the one under his hat.

[Pentegarn]

Already did that in the last fluoride thread. :sleep

No, you did not

[TheCoolinator]

No, you did not

Yes, I did.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69704618&highlight=Fluoride&page=6


EDIT:

Activists take on Fluoridated water in Wichita

http://www.infowars.com/activists-take-on-fluoridated-water-in-wichita/


Fluoridation of the Public Water Supply – Open Letter to County ‘Officials’
Transcript of E-mail Thread:

To Sedgwick County Public Servants / Wichita City Council Members:


Ladies & gentlemen – You will begin to notice a number of signs being placed throughout the city in order to inform the public of what is being deliberately pumped into the municipal water supplies. The fact that sodium fluoride (and other chemicals) is a very dangerous substance is well established. It has no business in our drinking water. Both the City of Wichita and Derby both concede that flouride is an additive, meant to prevent tooth decay and nothing could be further from the truth. This long-time deception will end – regardless of any federal incentives that have made this operation so appealing to the elected ‘officials’.
Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin were among the first leaders to use low-dosage water fluoridation as a means to subdue the general public, make concentration camp inmates more docile & to reduce fertility. In the modern age, water fluoridation is merely one method that is being used to take the ‘teeth’ out of the freedom movement in this nation..............

[Colonel Flagg]

Sources are meant to support arguments, not make them for you.



Ahem.

[Colonel Flagg]

If anyone cares, Alex Jones (of infowars.com) is a radio talk show host, who appears to support the illegitimacy of President Obama (not born in the USA) and is a Tea Party advocate.

This is not where I would choose to obtain my "fair and balanced" news of the world.

[Pentegarn]

EDIT: deleted because I like my next post better and it covers this post's talking points quite nicely

[Supafly345]

HOLY SHIT I totally was thinking he was an alex jones groupie. The unfounded paranoia and rediculous conspiracy theories, as well as hating everyone on the right and left just screamed Alex Jones. I LOVE watching his podcasts, one of the most buttfuck insane assholes out there. This man has no idea what the differences between science fiction and newspapers are. Oh man, it is so exciting to have one of his minions here!

Now that I know this I'm gonna relax and enjoy.

[Pentegarn]

Now, for what I call "evidence of why Coolie is at best a village man-child" posted in chronological order, and broken down by your host, Pentegarn.

To Coolie,

It is my personal hope that this is broken down in such a way that it shatters both barriers (both your reading comprehension and your delusion barriers) that your attempt at a brain has erected and shows you that you are at best, a village man-child.

Chapter 1: Coolie makes an outburst, then postures a lot
It began (in this thread at least) with Coolie spewing his nonsense, and once again posting a quote and a website, but making no real point. People goof on him, and he replies with "yawn*" which I can only assume means "you all win now" but he thinks shows him as someone who doesn't care what we think. Yet he comes back here repeatedly for more of what we think. Hmmmm, not the sort of activity conducive to someone who does not care.

SIDE NOTE 1: Anyone else notice Coolie makes wild outburst statements like "think for yourselves" and yet refuses to acknowledge that it might be possible the propaganda he regurgitates at us may well be funded by companies that make non-fluoride toothpaste?

SIDE NOTE 2: That violates the new rule about posting links by the by

Chapter 2: Not on our watch Coolie
Everyone calls him out for it, and it eventually culminates in this statement made by Willie asking yet again, that Coolie post an actual scientific study and not something special interest groups created

coolinator could you quote something from a SCIENTIFIC STUDY perhaps instead of something that just states a group's opinion
Chapter 3: Coolie gives us what we DID NOT ask for
So coolie, being cornered yet again, claims he did already.

Already did that in the last fluoride thread. :sleep

Now I will grant that this statement belongs with some very famous sayings, such as:

"I did not have sexual relations with that woman" -Bill Clinton

"I have never used steroids, period. The allegation about me in Mr. Canseco's book is absolutely false."- Rapheal Palmero

"I am not a crook" - Richard Nixon

Buck up Coolie! You are rubbing elbows with some famous people. So you have that going for you, which is nice.

However, that all being said, it was still a lie, hence why I said as much

No, you did not

You again reiterated the lie by saying you did

Chapter 4: Reading compre-what?

As quoted above, Willie asked for scientific evidence instead of a special interest groups opinion.

Everyone ready for this?

It's pretty comedic what comes next.

Are you sure?

Coolie posts this:

Yes, I did.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69704618&highlight=Fluoride&page=6


EDIT:

Activists take on Fluoridated water in Wichita

http://www.infowars.com/activists-take-on-fluoridated-water-in-wichita/

Now, let's look at this link. It clearly states "activists take on fluoridated water". Not scientists, activists. Coolie typed it himself that it was activists. He even quotes a letter from Travis Crank, an activist....

From dictionary.com

activist
–noun
an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, esp. a political cause.and

scientist
–noun
an expert in science, esp. one of the physical or natural sciences.Now I am not one of them there fancy word-ologists. But it seems to me those are in fact two different things.

Thanks for playing Coolie, but you are in fact, an idiot.

[Pentegarn]

Sources are meant to support arguments, not make them for you.

:lol

[Colonel Flagg]

HOLY SHIT I totally was thinking he was an alex jones groupie. The unfounded paranoia and rediculous conspiracy theories, as well as hating everyone on the right and left just screamed Alex Jones. I LOVE watching his podcasts, one of the most buttfuck insane assholes out there. This man has no idea what the differences between science fiction and newspapers are. Oh man, it is so exciting to have one of his minions here!

Now that I know this I'm gonna relax and enjoy.

Glad I could help with that. :)

[Colonel Flagg]

My two favorite moments from Pentegarn's post:

funded by companies that make non-fluoride toothpaste

*cough, cough* Tom's of Maine *cough, cough*

He even quotes a letter from Travis Crank

Now that is a name that inspires scientific rigor and confidence.

:lol

[Supafly345]

Oh, I just noticed that other thread and I guess I should get some thoughts out there on it.

I never read that other thread, didn't even know it existed. Looking at that single scientific study of frogs (I dunno if there was more) things look pretty condemning for the use of fluoride on their developing embryos.

This is a common practice among extremist fringe opinion groups however. The raw foods movement continually repeats a single study, a study where cats who ate raw meat gradually became more ill than cats who ate cooked meat, to make a blanket claim that cooked food is unhealthy. When cats physiology is simply too different from ours for something like that to matter. They require taurine as an essential organic acid to survive, which is removed from meat when it is cooked. Humans have no such need, making the study worthless.

The physiology of an amphibian is radically different from a human's, and especially their developmental process. I am not trying to dismiss the whole study, but without knowing more it seems sketchy, especially if it came from an anti-fluoride source.

I haven't read all these threads so I don't know if this has been brought up yet but we all do know that a complete lack of it can cause osteoporosis along with brittle teeth and nails right? Do you guys rally against iodine as well? Similar to fluoride you can't have more than trace amounts of it in your body or else it could be harmful, but without these trace amounts you will develop goiters and cretinism. And its found in table salt! IT CAN KILL US.

I am mostly posting this for myself since none of it will be news to many, and ignored by the rest. But the human body is complicated, thinking there is just black and white poison and not poison elements in nature is childish and kinda stupid. Us adults know that too much of anything is dangerous, and that for some things in this world too much is a very tiny amount.

[The Leader]

I haven't read all these threads so I don't know if this has been brought up yet but we all do know that a complete lack of it can cause osteoporosis along with brittle teeth and nails right?
He doesn't believe that is true and will post links to articles written by anti-fluoride people about some study that had something to do with fluoride but they don't bother actually looking at it to prove you wrong.

[Colonel Flagg]

I haven't read all these threads so I don't know if this has been brought up yet but we all do know that a complete lack of it can cause osteoporosis along with brittle teeth and nails right? Do you guys rally against iodine as well? Similar to fluoride you can't have more than trace amounts of it in your body or else it could be harmful, but without these trace amounts you will develop goiters and cretinism. And its found in table salt! IT CAN KILL US.

In addition to fluorine and iodine (nonmetals), selenium, zinc, chromium, potassium, magnesium and manganese are all essential metals that are required for a healthy functioning human body. Yet all these metals if ingested in excess can have deleterious effects on the body's well-being.

I'm pretty sure Coolie can read; he just chooses to ignore our - and the medical community's - opinions on this, preferring instead the opinions of such scientific luminaries like Travis Crank, or Alex Jones.

Or .... maybe he suffers from iodine deficiency. That would explain the cretinism.

[Dimnos]

I just thought I would throw this out there because I know we have some fans of reading.

Widespread use of fluoride has been a major factor in the decline in the prevalence and severity of dental caries (i.e., tooth decay) in the United States and other economically developed countries. When used appropriately, fluoride is both safe and effective in preventing and controlling dental caries. All U.S. residents are likely exposed to some degree to fluoride, which is available from multiple sources. Both health-care professionals and the public have sought guidance on selecting the best way to provide and receive fluoride...

...Because frequent exposure to small amounts of fluoride each day will best reduce the risk for dental caries in all age groups, the work group recommends that all persons drink water with an optimal fluoride concentration and brush their teeth twice daily with fluoride toothpaste. For persons at high risk for dental caries, additional fluoride measures might be needed. Measured use of fluoride modalities is particularly appropriate during the time of anterior tooth enamel development (i.e., age <6 years).

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm


The possible relationship between fluoridated water and cancer has been debated at length. The debate resurfaced in 1990 when a study by the National Toxicology Program, part of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, showed an increased number of osteosarcomas (bone tumors) in male rats given water high in fluoride for 2 years. However, other studies in humans and in animals have not shown an association between fluoridated water and cancer.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/fluoridated-water#r4


Oh and...

http://www.quackwatch.com/03HealthPromotion/fluoride.html

[Colonel Flagg]

Half-truths are commonly used. For example, saying that fluoride is a rat poison ignores the fact that poison is a matter of dose.

Sodium Fluoride AT THE LEVELS FOUND IN DRINKING WATER is non-toxic.

I said that over 3 months ago. I think we all did at one point or another. Proof once again that Coolie chooses to read for comprehension only that which fits his rather twisted worldview. Anything else is in one eye and out the ass. :\

Thanks for the link, Dim. It made me go back and reread the "Sodium Fluoride = Poison" thread. Good times. :lol

[Dr. Boogie]

The explanation he likes to give for that is that if something is poisonous in any dosage, it's always poisonous. Which is bull, and every time he's said that, someone has pointed out as much, but that's as far as it goes.

[Pentegarn]

Hope he never drinks any alcohol :lol

[Esuohlim]

Or goes out in the sun because fuckin sun poisoning holy shit

[Sam]

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FEEL SO STUPID WHEN FLOURIDE KILLS EVERYONE BUT COOLIE.

[kahljorn]

Yes, I did.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69704618&highlight=Fluoride&page=6


EDIT:

Activists take on Fluoridated water in Wichita

http://www.infowars.com/activists-take-on-fluoridated-water-in-wichita/

that's not a scientific study, dumbass.

i guess he was being ironic.

oh i get it he means all the abstracts and that bibliography he posted in the first link :rolleyes

[Pentegarn]

YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FEEL SO STUPID WHEN FLOURIDE KILLS EVERYONE BUT COOLIE.

Only if "Flouride" is the name of the serial killer who gets us all :lol

[Sam]

AND IT'S COOLIE.

[Colonel Flagg]

Hope he never drinks any alcohol :lol

Damn. I forgot all about Dr. Ames. >:

Good one. :)

[Blasted Child]

Kind of fascinating how much energy is spent on this issue. I don't think Sodium Flouride has been discussed this much on any internet forum ever, including forums for dentists, or even forums for scientists who research about sodium flouride and its potential dangers.
I feel this urge to type Sodium Flouride again. Sodium Flouride!

[Pentegarn]

AND IT'S COOLIE.

:lol

[Evil Robot]

I think we are all missing the major fact here is that COOLIE IS A PEDOPHILE. Does it not bother anyone that he is clearly here to pick up on the I-mockery youth? The same youth that we are all trying to legally corrupt with our over the top brand of cynisism Coolie is trying to HAVE SEX WITH. We all know that vulerable and sexually confused youth find things like this fascinating.


Since official I-Mockery records clearly show that Coolie has used this website to disseminate over 3 terrabytes of child porn I think we have no choice but to start a war with every other forum that comes up when one googles his tagline and or name.

[Supafly345]

Coolie, who raped and killed a young girl in 1990.

[Colonel Flagg]

Stupid of me not to realize it sooner.

[Blasted Child]

But is he a paedophile, or an artist?

[Zhukov]

I think this is where we have to draw the line. I just clicked some of those links he supplied us with and I'm pretty disgusted :\

Coolie, this is pretty sick. Not only are you going to get banned but Rog has probably already alerted the police.

[kahljorn]

i only wanted to learn about sodium fluoride and now i feel like a criminal :(

COOLIE RUINED MY LIFE

[Evil Robot]

We shoulds send him back to 4chan where he came from.

[Evil Robot]

I have been looking at his blog (or should I say copy paste child porn log) I emplore the good users of I-Mockery to go there and in the upper left corner click "report abuse" and highlight nudity.

http://the-coolinator-lounge.blogspot.com/

[Pentegarn]

We shoulds send him back to 4chan where he came from.

4chan has smarter people than that.

We should send him instead back to YTMND :P

[The Leader]

* Fluoride -- Not all fluoride is bad; only the type promoted by dentistry and added to our water and food supply. Calcium fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral, while its synthetic counterpart, sodium fluoride (silicofluoride), is an industrial-grade hazardous waste material made during the production of fertilizer. It's past history includes patented use as rat poison and insecticide. There are many blind- and double-blind studies that show sodium fluoride has a cumulative effect on the human body leading to allergies, gastrointestinal disorders, bone weakening, cancer, and neurological problems. In this case, the EPA's Union of scientists issued a white paper condemning fluoridation of drinking water. However, as a hazardous waste, it is extremely expensive to dispose of as such. And here might be a clue as to why this chemical, more toxic than lead and almost on par with arsenic, has been disposed of for our consumption.
More toxic than lead and almost on par with arsenic. :lol

[Evil Robot]

Stop talking about fluoride, this is the child porn thread now.

[Supafly345]

THIS IS WHAT CAME UP WHEN I SEARCHED 'FLUORIDE PORN' IT ALL COMES TOGETHER
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/01/20/article-1244759-063E868F000005DC-698_468x286.jpg

[Evil Robot]

That picture gives coolie a raging erection.

[The Leader]

Stop talking about fluoride, this is the child porn thread now.
Sorry. Here's a picture.

(user was banned for this post)

[Colonel Flagg]

One word: NAMBLA

[Evil Robot]

That dope feind motherfucker just PMd me and called me a n1gger!!!!!! He then went on to say how much he hates black people and wishes blacks were all children. He then sent me another message that he wants to burn my house down and then wrote "praise allah" for some reason.

[Colonel Flagg]

That's how it starts. First with the fluoride-bashing, then with the pedophilia and neo-nazi sympathizing. Rape and murder are only a matter of time.

[The Leader]

And here I thought Coolie couldn't start a half-decent thread.

[Evil Robot]

Coolie just sent me another video. This one he is wearing a red dress and thigh high boots. He was shocking himself in the balls with a stun gun and screaming "does this make you happy mother!!!? Is this what you want from me mother!!?"

This guy is seriously fucked up

Earlier today he was using the same stun gun on a small terrier puppy while a man wearing a leather harness masturbated in the background.

I am honestly speechless, I mean you hear about people like this on the news but to see it with my own eyes.... dang!

[Colonel Flagg]

EVIL ROBOT RULES!

[TheCoolinator]

Coolie just sent me another video. This one he is wearing a red dress and thigh high boots. He was shocking himself in the balls with a stun gun and screaming "does this make you happy mother!!!? Is this what you want from me mother!!?"

This guy is seriously fucked up

Earlier today he was using the same stun gun on a small terrier puppy while a man wearing a leather harness masturbated in the background.

I am honestly speechless, I mean you hear about people like this on the news but to see it with my own eyes.... dang!


Trust me, It wouldn't make her happy.....nothing does.....>:

[Pentegarn]

Wow, I am shocked to hear your mother is disappointed with you :rolleyes

[Pentegarn]

THIS JUST IN!!!!!!

The air we breathe contains particulate amounts of poison!!!!!

http://www.medicinenet.com/mercury_poisoning/article.htm

Mercury is a naturally occurring element that is found in air, water and soil. It exists in several forms

Found in air!!!!!!

We breathe air!!!!!!

You now know what you must do Coolie....

Cease breathing.

[TheCoolinator]

Fluoride mouthrinse program to re-start in schools this year

The Ohio Department of Health's school-based fluoride mouthrinse program will be reinstated for the upcoming school year.
The health department suspended the program last year after state representatives passed a bill that required any prescription medications given to students in school to be administered by health professionals. Gov. Ted Strickland signed legislation in May that made an exemption for fluoride mouthrinse.


"Fluoride rinse programs are one tool to help eradicate dental disease for Ohio's children," said David Owsiany, executive director of the Ohio Dental Association, adding that preventing tooth decay can eliminate the need for more invasive and expensive care in a child's future.




The cost of running the program, paid for by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, is roughly 25 cents per student per year, according to the Ohio Department of Health.



In the 2008-2009 school year, about 39,000 students from 150 elementary schools across the state participated in the program, which targets communities without sufficiently fluoridated water.



One early review of fluoride mouthrinse programs showed a 31 percent reduction in cavities for communities without fluoridated water.

http://www.cleveland.com/healthfit/index.ssf/2010/08/fluoride_mouthrinse_program_to.html
mmmmmmm, delicious. :x

Gotta get them while their young and neutralize that threat. It's kind of like pulling weeds.

[Pentegarn]

That article seems to be showing fluoride as a good thing. 31% reduction in cavities without fluoridated water is significant.

So what happened? Your original stance was so weak it finally collapsed to the point where your posts now argue for fluoride?

[Dr. Boogie]

See, this is why I compared him to Geggy (Philo forum Geggy, that is): there's just a link to a news story, and then an irrelevant comment afterwards. No argument, no debate, no nothing. Just "hey, look at me!"

[Colonel Flagg]

I always had thought philosophical posts from Geggy to contain much more substance.

[Supafly345]

I doubt he has read any of the threads he posts in.

[RaNkeri]

Hell, he still hasn't even answered my questions >:

[Pentegarn]

That is because Coolinator does not answer, he monologues. He is not interested in a discussion, he is only interested in seeing himself type

[Colonel Flagg]

And emoticons. Him likes him some emoticons.

[TheCoolinator]

That article seems to be showing fluoride as a good thing. 31% reduction in cavities without fluoridated water is significant.

So what happened? Your original stance was so weak it finally collapsed to the point where your posts now argue for fluoride?


Isn't it blatantly obvious after the mountains of evidence and scientific studies and legal documentation I've produced that they're giving hazardous waste poison to children.

Which will (as stated previously) cause cancer, neurological harm, organ failure, and skeletal erosion.

These kids never had a chance. Going from a normal IQ to a lower one will make them more easily manageable. Perfect drones for the hive. They will learn to love the poison like you do.

[Zhukov]

Fuck off :lol

[The Leader]

:lol

[TheCoolinator]

See, this is why I compared him to Geggy (Philo forum Geggy, that is): there's just a link to a news story, and then an irrelevant comment afterwards. No argument, no debate, no nothing. Just "hey, look at me!"

Have you read any of the information posted in this thread? I repeated myself over a thousand times, posted scientific studies, legal documents, documentaries, new articles detailing how whole entire towns want this out of their water supplies, anyone....anyone with 2 braincells to rub together can look at this information objectively and empirically and come to the same conclusion that millions of people have come to across the globe.

Sodium Fluoride is poisonous and has zero percent medicinal value. It's a known carcinogen. Causes Neurological harm, and attacks the skeletal system. Hence bone cancer.


And don't forget all of the internal organs that in cuts through on its way through the body.

this isn't rocket science.

[RaNkeri]

Isn't it blatantly obvious after the mountains of evidence and scientific studies and legal documentation I've produced that they're giving hazardous waste poison to children.

Too bad they don't hold water :lol

[TheCoolinator]

Too bad they don't hold water

tell that to the eleven EPA employee unions. :love

[The Leader]

Coolie is my favorite. :)

[RaNkeri]

Sodium Fluoride is poisonous and has zero percent medicinal value. It's a known carcinogen. Causes Neurological harm, and attacks the skeletal system. Hence bone cancer.

lol no :lol

[Zhukov]

Coolie's arguments can't hold water because then they would be at risk of fluoridation :(

[The Leader]

:rimshot

[Zhukov]

Coolinator have you even read a single one of my books? Or are you just happy to keep being a sheep?

Vast swathes of evidence all ignored simply because you are too busy bleating for the government.

[RaNkeri]

He only studies documents which he can agree with, ignoring everything which is against his views.

Ignorance is a bliss, after all :rolleyes

[TheCoolinator]

http://www.naturalnews.com/029477_fluoride_China.html

Here's another one. Not only do they talk about how the Sodium Fluoride made in China is contaminated with heavy metals BUT they also say farther down in the article that Sodium Fluoride itself is as I stated a poison.

So its a double hit.

"The material safety data sheets from Solvay fluorides show that a teaspoon amount of five grams of sodium fluoride can be fatal to an average size man of 70kg. ... chronic toxicity by oral route may cause skeletal and dental fluorosis, thyroid, testes, kidney, liver, ambiguous carcinogenic and mutagenic effects, fetotoxic and fertility effects."

[The Leader]

Coolie, do you understand what a scientific study is? It's not an article about people who are against fluoridation from a website that is against fluoridation.

[RaNkeri]

1) Do you realize that in order to get 5g of fluoride into your system, you would need to drink thousands of litres of water?

2) I'm having hard time taking this article seriously, when it's located on a site called "natural news" and it's only source is "fluoridealert.org", and the source material itself written by the guy mentioned in the article.

[Colonel Flagg]

Kind of fascinating how much energy [Coolio spends] on this issue. I don't think Sodium Flouride has been discussed this much on any internet forum ever, including forums for dentists, or even forums for scientists who research about sodium flouride and its potential dangers.

As far as I can tell, most of the mocking crew is ... well, mocking. Coolie (and for a short while, Brotherhood) are the only ones taking this seriously.

Cools, I don't know who you're trying to convince anymore. I don't believe anyone here will read anything you write on this topic (and that is if you write anything at all, which is doubtful). My advice - start a facebook fan-club on fluoride-haters.

Or better yet, buy this guy's newsletter.
http://douglassreport.com/wp-content/themes/douglassreport/images/meet.jpg

[TheCoolinator]

Coolie, do you understand what a scientific study is? It's not an article about people who are against fluoridation from a website that is against fluoridation.


Yes, I did.

http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?t=69704618&highlight=Fluoride&page=6



I posted them before. Guess you didn't care to read them because it may conflict with your established paradigm.


1) Do you realize that in order to get 5g of fluoride into your system, you would need to drink thousands of litres of water?

Showering in it, cooking food in it, brushing your teeth with it, fluoride mouth rinse, .....I highly doubt it would take thousands of liters.

2) I'm having hard time taking this article seriously, when it's located on a site called "natural news" and it's only source is "fluoridealert.org", and the source material itself written by the guy mentioned in the article.

attack the messenger not the message. :\ A pavlovian reflex I've seen quite a bit around here. Colonel Flagg is guilty of this as well.

[Colonel Flagg]

1) Do you realize that in order to get 5g of fluoride into your system, you would need to drink thousands of litres of water?

2) I'm having hard time taking this article seriously, when it's located on a site called "natural news" and it's only source is "fluoridealert.org", and the source material itself written by the guy mentioned in the article.

Hey RannyK - Did Coolsie-Woolsie ever address your question on fluoride concentration in Finnish groundwater?

Are you dead yet? :x

[TheCoolinator]

Rannyk, doesn't seem to grasp the simple issue that there is a natural form of fluoride that is called Calcium Fluoride. He has combined the two in his head and I'm unable to make him see the difference between the naturally occurring mineral and the toxic waste poison they put in everything else called SODIUM fluoride.


Another article.

Researchers are intensifying their scrutiny of fluoride, which is added to most public water systems in the U.S. Some recent studies suggest that overconsumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland.
A 2006 report by a committee of the National Research Council recommended that the federal government lower its current limit for fluoride in drinking water because of health risks to both children and adults.



http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=second-thoughts-on-fluoride

[RaNkeri]

And coolsie over here seems to fail to grasp the simple issue of basic chemistry that is called solubility of chemical compounds. :rolleyes

You seem to think that when fluoride is paired with calcium everything's a-ok, but when fluoride is paired with sodium it magically turns into SUPR POISON meant to destroy the mankind :rolleyes

[Colonel Flagg]

IT JUST DOESN'T MATTER!

g3S_k1dRbXY

(God I hope this works)

[TheCoolinator]

And coolsie over here seems to fail to grasp the simple issue of basic chemistry that is called solubility of chemical compounds.

You seem to think that when fluoride is paired with calcium everything's a-ok, but when fluoride is paired with sodium it magically turns into SUPR POISON meant to destroy the mankind

1. If you dissolve arsenic in water you get water with arsenic in it. There go if you drink that water you will be also drinking the arsenic in it. Please read my last post on the chronic toxicity on fluoride consumption and the negative effect it has on the human body. Speaking of Sodium Fluoride of course.

2. They are two different chemicals. Read the literature. One is synthetic and the other is naturally occurring.

Calcium Fluoride = Good

Sodium Fluoride = Bad

This is well known science for the last century.

[Dr. Boogie]

Have you read any of the information posted in this thread? I repeated myself over a thousand times, posted scientific studies, legal documents, documentaries, new articles detailing how whole entire towns want this out of their water supplies, anyone....anyone with 2 braincells to rub together can look at this information objectively and empirically and come to the same conclusion that millions of people have come to across the globe.

Have you read the board rules for sourcing? The ones that say not to simply post links with a vague description of the point you're trying to make so that the reader must slog through pages of soft science to try and come up with an argument for you?

Also, source for the "millions of people" who are as dumb as you.

Sodium Fluoride is poisonous and has zero percent medicinal value. It's a known carcinogen. Causes Neurological harm, and attacks the skeletal system. Hence bone cancer.

In large amounts. As those who care to argue with you have shown, however, it is beneficial in small amounts, not unlike countless other chemicals, including vitamins!

[TheCoolinator]

Have you read the board rules for sourcing? The ones that say not to simply post links with a vague description of the point you're trying to make so that the reader must slog through pages of soft science to try and come up with an argument for you?


The board rules are corrupt and selectively enforced against certain people who do not share the herd mentality. This is an accepted reality.



In large amounts. As those who care to argue with you have shown, however, it is beneficial in small amounts, not unlike countless other chemicals, including vitamins!

No,

Sodium fluoride as state above, below, sideways, and front ways is a well know, well documented, and well understood poison which has NO and I mean NO medicinal value. It never had a medicinal value, it never will have a medicinal value, it was created as an insecticide and is still used as an insecticide. Its a synthetic by product of the aluminum and fertilizer industry and its health effects include bone cancer, neurological decay, organ failure, and infertility.

Look.

Sodium Fluoride

a colorless, crystalline, water-soluble, poisonous solid, NaF, used chiefly in the fluoridation of water, as an insecticide, and as a rodenticide

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Sodium+Fluoride


Calcium fluoride


a white, crystalline compound, CaF 2 , insoluble in water, occurring in nature as the mineral fluorite: used as a flux in metallurgy and as a decay preventive in dentifrices.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Calcium+fluoride

NOW LOOK ON THE BACK OF YOUR TOOTHPASTE TUBE. Which one does it say? :lol

[Colonel Flagg]

The board rules are corrupt and selectively enforced against certain people who do not share the herd mentality. This is an accepted reality.

Funny how the vast majority of regular posters have no problems with the rules.

OH NO WAIT I-MOCK MODERATORS ARE ELITIST OLIGARCHS KEEPIN' THE MAN DOWN BY CENSORSHIP AND SELECTIVE EDITING!

NOW LOOK ON THE BACK OF YOUR TOOTHPASTE TUBE. Which one does it say? :lol

Look on the FRONT LABEL of yours, big guy. :lol2

[RaNkeri]

Look on the FRONT LABEL of yours, big guy. :lol2


:lol

[Dr. Boogie]

The board rules are corrupt and selectively enforced against certain people who do not share the herd mentality. This is an accepted reality.

It is a rule system that thwarts your only method of argumentation, so you ignore it, just as you ignore evidence that debunks your arguments and sources.

No,

Sodium fluoride as state above, below, sideways, and front ways is a well know, well documented, and well understood poison which has NO and I mean NO medicinal value. It never had a medicinal value, it never will have a medicinal value, it was created as an insecticide and is still used as an insecticide. Its a synthetic by product of the aluminum and fertilizer industry and its health effects include bone cancer, neurological decay, organ failure, and infertility.

Potassium is used in electrolysis and lethal injection, yet doctors recommend you consume a certain amount of it for the sake of nutrition, even though it can lead to renal failure in large amounts.

Why is that? Are doctors and scientists really out to poison as many people as they can? If so, why? Money, in the form of kickbacks from Big Potassium? If so, how could so many different people, so many different organizations, be directed towards such a diabolical goal? Surely they can't all be sharing in the profits. That would mean that each of the conspirators would be getting mere pennies for betraying the whole of society.

The same goes for your grand Sodium Fluoride theory. The reasoning behind it doesn't hold up. Your sources don't hold up. And when this is shown to you, you ignore it and post another junk science link with a variation on "no guys, it's good for you!"

[The Leader]

I posted them before. Guess you didn't care to read them because it may conflict with your established paradigm.
Yes, I read those. You seem to think that everything you post is a scientific study, though. Usually it's just from that All Natural website. You're just too brainwashed to see it. :x

[TheCoolinator]

Look on the FRONT LABEL of yours, ig guy.

It doesn't matter what brand it is....all that matters is if its free of Sodium Fluoride.

Yes, I read those. You seem to think that everything you post is a scientific study, though. Usually it's just from that All Natural website. You're just too brainwashed to see it.



Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12622200&dopt=Abstract))

Li Y, et al. (1994). [Effect of excessive fluoride intake on mental work capacity of children and a preliminary study of its mechanism] Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao. 25(2):188-91. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7528715&dopt=Abstract))

National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter (http://darwin.nap.edu/books/030910128X/html/173.html))

Schettler T, et al. (2000). Known and suspected developmental neurotoxicants. pp. 90-92. In: In Harms Way - Toxic Threats to Child Development. Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility: Cambridge, MA. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/psr.html))

Azar HA, et al. (1961). Skeletal fluorosis due to chronic fluoride intoxication. Annals of Internal Medicine 55:193-200.

Paul V, et al. (1998). Effects of sodium fluoride on locomotor behavior and a few biochemical parameters in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 6: 187–191. (See abstract (http://www.slweb.org/paul-1998.html))
Qin LS, Cui SY. (1990). The influence of drinking water fluoride on pupils IQ, as measured by Rui Wen's standards. Chinese Journal of the Control of Endemic Diseases 5:203-204.


These aren't scientific studies? O....K....:lol




The same goes for your grand Sodium Fluoride theory. The reasoning behind it doesn't hold up. Your sources don't hold up. And when this is shown to you, you ignore it and post another junk science link with a variation on "no guys, it's good for you!"

I'm just mocking people who think drinking and brushing their teeth with a well known rodenticide and insecticide is good for them. Isn't this I-Mockery?

But to counter your point, its very simple really, they don't want to pay the huge fees for the disposal of hazardous waste. So they solve pollution...with dilution ....and they feed it to the poor slobs all the while telling them that its "good" for them.

Its not a conspiracy...nor is it a very complicated. Its just business, and an added bonus is that it makes people morons and after a prolonged period of time very sick. So, its a win / win situation for them. They take themselves off the hook for paying haz-waste disposal fees, they make the people a bunch of easily manageable low grade morons who never question their reality, AND they create new customers for the medical industry. Its great. :lol

[RaNkeri]

Are doctors and scientists really out to poison as many people as they can?

Just wait untill I graduate, then I'll pay a visit to the states



with vengeance :conspiracy

[TheCoolinator]

Originally Posted by Dr. Boogie http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/images/mockery/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.i-mockery.com/forum/showthread.php?p=695510#post695510)
Are doctors and scientists really out to poison as many people as they can?


Certain doctors and scientists are given the conclusions before the experimentation even begins. They go where the funding is. We have to make our own decisions. If all the information points to something being harmful to you then it may just be harmful to you.

Look at those dictionary definitions again.

[Colonel Flagg]

Certain weak-minded individuals hear bleating about a cause-du-jour, or find videos on YouTube or Google and begin parroting its rhetoric like it was the Gospel according to St. Matthew.

I prefer to do my own experimentation and follow my own path, using data that I've collected myself, thank you. You might try to do the same.

[RaNkeri]

You could atleast read those researches, instead of just picking them out because you agree with the titles. :rolleyes

Every research was done by using water with excessive/elevated fluoride concentrations. None of us has claimed that fluoride wouldn't be harmful when taken excessively. :rolleyes

Also the studies lacked further detail and stated that further research is required. :rolleyes

[Pentegarn]

You are so full of shit Coolie that manure gatherers want to slob your knob

Researchers are intensifying their scrutiny of fluoride, which is added to most public water systems in the U.S. Some recent studies suggest that overconsumption of fluoride can raise the risks of disorders affecting teeth, bones, the brain and the thyroid gland.
A 2006 report by a committee of the National Research Council recommended that the federal government lower its current limit for fluoride in drinking water because of health risks to both children and adults.

Define overconsumption if you could.

Ranny at least mentions 5 grams, and what it would take to get there. You have said nada to that though. Why is that? Probably because it casts a harsh light on your weird agenda.

Speaking of...

Why the fuck are you crusading(badly I might add), on a comedy forum, against sodium fluoride? Could you show us on the doll where sodium fluoride touched you? More to the point, why after decades of drinking tap water and brushing my teeth with Colgate, to zero adverse effects, would I even bother doing anything your delusional ass says?

The board rules are corrupt and selectively enforced against certain people who do not share the herd mentality. This is an accepted reality

You spelled "Coolie is a whiny bitch who cries about rules when a debate doesn't go his way." wrong.


http://www.vitamins-nutrition.org/vitamins/fluoride.html

The above link says that yes, in large quantities it can be poisonous. But so can water in and of itself (water intoxication anyone?)

Calcium Fluoride = Good

Both calcium and magnesium form insoluble complexes with fluoride and are capable of significantly decreasing fluoride absorption when present in the same meal.

In other words, they decrease the fluoride absorption which decreases the dental benefit. Making your statement more like:

Calcium Fluoride = pointless in this discussion

Finally

But for the love of God, at least be consistent. If your stance is that it is to be avoided if it can ever be poisonous (as you seem to be arguing) then apply it to everything.

No water

No breathing

No pretty much anything

I see you have failed to listen to my advice. You have not been consistent. You are still posting, therefore you are still breathing.

Therefore, you sir, are a hypocrite

[RaNkeri]

I see you have failed to listen to my advice.

Well, he has received a lot of advices, guess he just forgot yours :lol

[The Leader]

These aren't scientific studies? O....K....:lol
See, you can't even understand what I write. How are we supposed to trust... Oh wait, you don't really write anything yourself. Never mind.

[kahljorn]

:lol, he thinks a bibliography is a scientific study.

[Supafly345]

Oh christ, he now has conspiracy theories about the forum. I think he knows he's totally crashed in blazing failure and has resorted to simple trolling.

But all he's doing is making everyone else feel smart in comparison by his easily debunkable bullshit. AND OUR EGOS ARE TOO BIG ALREADY.

[Supafly345]

I prefer to do my own experimentation and follow my own path, using data that I've collected myself, thank you. You might try to do the same.What

[Pentegarn]

AND OUR EGOS ARE TOO BIG ALREADY.

YOU FORGOT TO MENTION OUR ENORMOUS COCKS

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q1/Pentegarn/MYBIGROOSTER.jpg

[Colonel Flagg]

^^^ That's one big cock. :eek

[Dr. Boogie]

I'm just mocking people who think drinking and brushing their teeth with a well known rodenticide and insecticide is good for them. Isn't this I-Mockery?

They aren't. They're brushing their teeth with a product that includes minute amounts of a compound that is shown to help combat tooth decay, and is shown to be harmful only in large amounts. The fact that you have still failed to grasp this points to brain damage, possibly from that time you ate four tubes of toothpaste to show how an overdose can cause mental retardation.

But to counter your point, its very simple really, they don't want to pay the huge fees for the disposal of hazardous waste. So they solve pollution...with dilution ....and they feed it to the poor slobs all the while telling them that its "good" for them.

Its not a conspiracy...nor is it a very complicated.

You mentioned that I should double-check some definitions, yet you don't know what a conspiracy is. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you really do understand a conspiracy is an evil/illegal act that involves more than one person. If you truly believe that this is all the work of just one person, why not prank call them?


Anyway, I assume "they" refers to companies that produce Sodium Fluoride as waste.

Walk me through how they get it from their factories to the water supply. Let's just assume that everyone at that company, from the CEO who decides to put the waste in the water down to the truck drivers who have to transport the stuff, are diabolical enough to be in on the conspiracy to poison the water supply for profit.

How are they able to include so many outside people, including but not limited to, the scientists behind the research showing the substance to be beneficial in small amounts? How have they been able to penetrate so many different organizations? Why are these bodies, even governmental ones, willing to go along with it? It cannot be profit because there isn't enough to go around, and it can't be explained away with some half-hearted "people are sheep" line.

This is the big problem with conspiracy theorists like you: you come up with these simple theories for why these things happen, but you never take the time to think of all that would be necessary to facilitate them. All the resources that need to be used, all the people who need to be bribed/dealt with, etc.

If all the information points to something being harmful to you then it may just be harmful to you.

Indeed. Thankfully, all the information is pointing to the levels of sodium fluoride being good for your teeth. You've attempted to argue to the contrary, but have failed to provide any evidence to show that any amount of the substance, no matter how small, is bad for you.


Look, how about a compromise: there's a page on wikipedia about fluoride poisoning, and it begins with the line "In high concentrations..." Why don't you spend a week or so trying to get them to change to that to "In any amount or concentration..." so everyone will know the terrible truth? You're wasting your gift for debate here, Coolie! The world needs to know your information! Just hurl links at them until they relent! It doesn't matter what the links say!

[Colonel Flagg]

he thinks a bibliography is a scientific study.


It IS! There are lots of big words in the titles of those papers - many of which sound "sciencey" and shit. I'm sure he had to study lots and lots just to be able to Google them.

[Zhukov]

Anyway, I assume "they" refers to companies that produce Sodium Fluoride as waste.

I seem to recall going through this in the last Fluoride Wars, and not getting any sort of concrete statement.

[Evil Robot]

The united states must burn for it's crime of supporting the zionist regime. I pledge my life to bring suffering to the infidels.
Among other things.....

[kahljorn]

:O

Can Fluoride Cause Harm?
As with other compounds, fluoride is safe and effective when used properly, but it can be hazardous at high doses. All water-fluoridation systems are checked daily to maintain safe fluoride levels. Parents should supervise the use of all fluoride products in the home.
Fluoride-supplement tablets should be stored safely away from young children. These supplements are taken each day in small quantities, ranging from 0.25 to 1 milligram per day based on the child's age and amount of fluoride in the water. Dentists limit the amount of tablets they prescribe at one time because the toxic dose of fluoride for a 2-year-old child weighing 22 pounds is 320 milligrams. To avoid any chance of overdose, do not stock up on fluoride tablets. If you have any questions regarding fluoride risks, talk to your dentist or physician.
Toxic fluoride doses are based on weight, and a toxic dose of fluoride for an 8-year-old child weighing 45 pounds is 655 milligrams. In comparison, an 8-ounce glass of water fluoridated to 1 part per million contains 0.25 milligrams of fluoride. Since these fluoride products are used in such small amounts, it is very difficult to receive toxic doses when using fluoride products at home.

[Dimnos]

Because its better than anything currently being discussed in this thread.

http://www.geekologie.com/2010/08/17/evolutionary-fail.jpg

[Zhukov]

a toxic dose of fluoride for an 8-year-old child weighing 45 pounds is 655 milligrams. In comparison, an 8-ounce glass of water fluoridated to 1 part per million contains 0.25 milligrams of fluoride.


Yes, but that means an eight year old child only has to ingest 2620 glasses of water at once. Easily achievable on a hot day, I tell you what.

[Dr. Boogie]

I seem to recall going through this in the last Fluoride Wars, and not getting any sort of concrete statement.

Yeah, I had a feeling. Granted, we could say the same thing about everything we've brought up on the issue with him.

[TheCoolinator]

:O


Isn't this quote against forum rules? :lol

[Dimnos]

From the other thread but in an effort to contain it to this one...

(Calcium fluoride will also provide this, and does in places like Scandinavia and Texas. That's why they don't fluoridate there.)

Actually we do fluoridate here in Texas, at least in the DFW area. However its averaged to be 0.5 ppm.

[TheCoolinator]

F


Actually we do fluoridate here in Texas, at least in the DFW area. However its averaged to be 0.5 ppm.


That's good. Enjoy it. You'll be healthier.

In a letter published in the Cumberland Times-News, Miltenberger notes that he first became aware of the issue in an engineering report for the city of Boulder, Colo. The report noted that the fluoridation chemicals used for the city's water (http://www.naturalnews.com/water.html) had been evaluated, and were found to contain lead (http://www.naturalnews.com/lead.html) levels of 40 milligrams per bag and arsenic levels of 50 milligrams per bag. The bags were being imported from China under no regulatory monitoring of acid or salt content.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029477_fluoride_China.html
Double hit.

Sodium fluoride (Carcinogen / Developmental harm / mutagen / Neurotoxin ) AND Heavy metals mixed in (Carcinogen / Developmental harm / mutagen / Neurotoxin)

[Esuohlim]

WEBSITES ARE NEVER A CREDIBLE SOURCE. EVER. Unless they are real scientific studies published in real scientific journals whose online versions have real published hard copy versions, they are not credible. ESPECIALLY not from a .com website riddled with absolute junk-science advertisements for "health" products designed solely for the purpose of scamming people.

If you were writing a college thesis on your claims you would fail automatically for seriously using a site like that as a source for your argument. Unless you can find me a real source from a real research database outlining an experiment done by real scientists using real experimental methods that actually show evidence to the fact that sodium fluoride is harmful to humans in the amounts that are actually provided to the consumer in tap water and toothpaste, you will be banned. You have until the end of Saturday, August 21st 2010.

You obviously aren't smart enough for this argument if you don't know the difference between actual credibility and complete bullshit. Your tendency to ignore posts and refusal to backup your arguments with legitimate sources is bordering on trolling. We've been going in circles for months, and I'm getting sick of it. Follow through or you're done.

[Pentegarn]

At first I was bummed out by this but....

My girlfriend just reminded me that coumadin contains warfarin, which is also used for rat poison.

Coolie's stance is if it is poisonous in large amounts it is always poisonous and we should ban its use

Coumadin saved my girlfriend from dying 2 years ago, if Coolie had his way, she would be dead. >:

Fuck you Coolie! I now can't wait for Thrillho to ban your ass!. You were a fun forum toy, but I am reminded how nutjobs like you can be a threat to others, and I too am sick of you.

Your stupidity directed at me or at this forum is one thing, but when how you think becomes a threat to those I love, the gloves come off. >:

[Colonel Flagg]

Actually we do fluoridate here in Texas, at least in the DFW area. However its averaged to be 0.5 ppm.

In my haste, I forgot for a second that Texas is a beeeeg place. I need to go back to the history books (not to mention geology) to figure out where the highest concentrations of fluorite are in the Big T.

[Colonel Flagg]

Coumadin saved my girlfriend from dying 2 years ago, if Coolie had his way, she would be dead.

Glad your GF is OK, Pent. :)

[Zhukov]

Ah well, I think there were ome good, funny comments generated at Coolie's expense, but I guess everyone is sick of him. Bye Cools, you will never not spout garbage and find something credible, so I guess you may as well call this forum CORRUPT and slink off before you get banned, and just pretend that you COULD find sources BUT WHAT'S THE POINT IN SHOWING US SHEEP HOW THE WORLD ACTUALLY RUNS?

[kahljorn]

Isn't this quote against forum rules? :lol

HJAHA YOURE GETTING BANNED

[Dimnos]

Is he really going to get banned for trolling?

[Tadao]

It's not even trolling, it's just boring.

[Colonel Flagg]

It's been just like talking to a small stone.

EDIT: But less informative and more tiresome.

[Dimnos]

I dont know man. If I were in Coolies shoes I think I might be laughing my ass off. He comes in here and makes one BS post about some BS research and we all get worked up like a bunch of Jr high kids getting their first handy.

[Colonel Flagg]

Sorta like Clement or Sham, but more efficient?

[Tadao]

3 or 4 people is not "we"

:rolleyes

[Dimnos]

I was trying to inclusive and not point fingers.

[Tadao]

His ego can't handle that status.

[Esuohlim]

As a moderator who pretty much has to read all posts around here, I'm tired of reading the same stuff over and over again. And again, this as been going on since maybe April. Shit's getting boring. DEAL WITH IT DIMNOS OR YOU'LL BE RIDING THE KNUCKLE SANDWICH TRAIN TO FIST CITY

[Dimnos]

In other words if we just quit talking to him about this fluoride shit you wouldnt have to read it.

[Esuohlim]

If you're going to miss Coolie that much I suggest exchanging email addresses

[Dimnos]

Im not going to miss him. It just seams like a silly reason to ban someone. But hey your the mod, do whatever you want.

[Tadao]

YEAH ESU, I-MOCK FORUMS HAS ALWAYS BEEN A FREE PLACE TO ACT HOWEVER YOU WANT WITHIN THE GUIDELINES!

[Dr. Boogie]

I've thought about giving him one of these ultimatum posts for a while now because he steadfastly refuses to cite any of his "evidence". And since he's come out and said he has no intention of going along with the new board rule about that very thing, I don't really have a problem with it.

[Pentegarn]

^^^

This

Also, to reiterate my new found stance, fuck Coolie

[Esuohlim]

Im not going to miss him. It just seams like a silly reason to ban someone. But hey your the mod, do whatever you want.

See, you're missing the point that I'm giving him four full days to find me one legitimate source. There are tons of scientific journal databases and with minimal effort I'm sure anybody can find a source that backs Coolie up even if it's some 1953 experiment done in Belgium that was later debunked.

If Coolie truly believes that what claims is a reality then this should be a very easy way to avoid a ban.

[Tadao]

WHAT'S UP YOUR BUTT?

[Colonel Flagg]

See, you're missing the point that I'm giving him four full days to find me one legitimate source. There are tons of scientific journal databases and with minimal effort I'm sure anybody can find a source that backs Coolie up even if it's some 1953 experiment done in Belgium that was later debunked.

With his talent at using Google searching and his prediliction for finding wackos on YouTube, you'd think he would be able to channel his considerable ability for a few minutes to find and summarize completely for us heathens a peer-reviewed scientific journal article illustrating his point that this "poison" should be banned for all time.

Even though this is not a poll, I feel that he really contributes very little to political discussions, except to say :sleep or :lol or yawn* when someone dares disagree with one of his points. So ban his ass; not fluoride.

[Esuohlim]

WHAT'S UP YOUR BUTT?

SODIUM FLUORIDE-BORNE VIRUSES, BACTERIA, YOU NAME IT

[TheCoolinator]

I'm not amused by Esuohlim's behavior,

and whats wrong with these studies?

Bhatnagar M, et al. (2002). Neurotoxicity of fluoride: neurodegeneration in hippocampus of female mice. Indian Journal of Experimental Biology 40: 546-54. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=12622200&dopt=Abstract))

Li Y, et al. (1994). [Effect of excessive fluoride intake on mental work capacity of children and a preliminary study of its mechanism] Hua Hsi I Ko Ta Hsueh Hsueh Pao. 25(2):188-91. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7528715&dopt=Abstract))

National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter (http://darwin.nap.edu/books/030910128X/html/173.html))

Schettler T, et al. (2000). Known and suspected developmental neurotoxicants. pp. 90-92. In: In Harms Way - Toxic Threats to Child Development. Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility: Cambridge, MA. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/psr.html))

Azar HA, et al. (1961). Skeletal fluorosis due to chronic fluoride intoxication. Annals of Internal Medicine 55:193-200.

Paul V, et al. (1998). Effects of sodium fluoride on locomotor behavior and a few biochemical parameters in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 6: 187–191. (See abstract (http://www.slweb.org/paul-1998.html))
Qin LS, Cui SY. (1990). The influence of drinking water fluoride on pupils IQ, as measured by Rui Wen's standards. Chinese Journal of the Control of Endemic Diseases 5:203-204.Also....

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sodium+Fluoride+scientific+studies




and finally...here is the full bibliography of scientific studies on Sodium Fluoride.


http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

[RaNkeri]

You would already know if you would actually read others' posts instead of ignoring them :rolleyes

[TheCoolinator]

You would already know if you would actually read others' posts instead of ignoring them

Are you telling me that these are not scientific studies?

http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html

[RaNkeri]

I'm telling you to go to previous pages and look what we've said before, to get answer to your previous question :rolleyes

[TheCoolinator]

I'm telling you to go to previous pages and look what we've said before, to get answer to your previous question


From his description these are completely fine. Many of them have been published, and they were published very long ago meaning that this has been know for quite a while.

Have you clicked on the link yet?

[RaNkeri]

Funny, I don't recall saying that anything you've posted was "completely fine" :rolleyes

[Esuohlim]

Coolie, all those studies involve pumping rats with unrealistically LARGE amounts of sodium fluoride. We all agree that excessive sodium fluoride is bad. We have endlessly pointed out that excessive ANYTHING is bad. There is no debate in that area.

OBVIOUSLY to the rational people here, meaning everyone but you, miniscule amounts of dangerous substances are beneficial to the human body. EVERYTHING that our body needs to function is horribly dangerous at an excessive level. Ever heard of iodine? It's poisonous, but we need it. That's why we have iodized salt.

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

jesus christ

By the way, a link to a bibliography and the suggestion to google search "sodium fluoride scientific studies" is definitely not what I asked for (ESPECIALLY the latter). Telling us to find it ourselves is the just perpetuating the same bullshit that's becoming a factor in you being banned.

[kahljorn]

i clicked on some links and found some scientific studies :O :O

most of them use words like, "over-dose," nd excessive and involve dosages up to 50mg in small rabbits, for example.

it only took me two minutes to discover this :O

[Zhukov]

It only takes a half second glance at the titles (my usual process for scientific examination) to notice they say things like "Effect of excessive fluoride intake" and "chronic fluoride intoxication".

I was about to mention that the only one to mention fluoridation in water and it's effects on children, doesn't have a link. But then I would be asking Coolies for a link, which is like asking Kahl to hold the shift key when typing.

[Dimnos]

Here in America we have this thing called a caps lock. :rolleyes

[Pentegarn]

In Soviet Russia, caps lock you

[Pentegarn]

Back on the issue of Coolie's failure to follow instructions...

He either gives scientific studies that say "excessive fluoride is bad" or letters from activists, neither of which are what Milpool asked for. Then he tries to play the condescending asshole card by dropping a lmgtfy link, as though we don't know how to google. What he wants is for us to do his research for him, and when we don't he drops lines like "it is not my job to do your research for you" which registers a 10 on the hypocrite-o-meter because that is exactly what he wants from us. And when he isn't trying to trick us into researching his counterarguments for him, he is acting indignant that we don't take his crackpot beliefs on faith. Sorry Coolie, I take nothing on faith. What you have provided us is fanciful leaps in logic without real evidence to the point you are trying to make. You deserve your imminent ban

[Dimnos]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080202231409/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/1/11/Beating-a-dead-horse.gif/225px-Beating-a-dead-horse.gif

[TheCoolinator]

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080202231409/uncyclopedia/images/thumb/1/11/Beating-a-dead-horse.gif/225px-Beating-a-dead-horse.gif

yep. :sleep

This thread was just supposed be a post about the EPA unions taking action against the dangers of Sodium Fluoride not another circle jerk.

[The Leader]

:lol

[Colonel Flagg]

He. Just. Doesn't. Get. It.

[kahljorn]

MORE LIKE ITS ASKING ZHUKOV TO BE A STuCK UP PRICK

[Supafly345]

If there is any significant danger from fluoride, you would definitely find it in these journals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/

If you can't find it in either of those, it probably isn't reputable.

[Tadao]

Those reputable organizations are funded by the man to spread their lies!

[kahljorn]

i was looking around and there's actually a scientific journal devoted specifically to fluoride research

http://www.fluorideresearch.org/

http://fluoride-journal.com/contents.htm

those are the same organization :O

[Tadao]

Is that first one for visually impaired people?

[TheCoolinator]

If there is any significant danger from fluoride, you would definitely find it in these journals:

http://www.nature.com/nature/index.html
http://www.sciencemag.org/

If you can't find it in either of those, it probably isn't reputable.

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Anyway, Lets get back on topic here.

EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.

Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important? :lol

[Dr. Boogie]

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Yes, better to rely on none and make up your own facts.

One day left, Coolie. You gonna make any effort at all to post a valid citation?

[Esuohlim]

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Scientific journals themselves aren't the sources, it's the articles that are in them. Did you even finish high school? You're a lost cause.

[Pentegarn]

Hmmm, this maybe somewhat important? :lol

Nowhere near as important as this:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

and:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

can't forget this:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

or this:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

this too:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

what about this:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

can't forget this:

POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

Oh and POST A SOURCE THAT SHOWS THAT SODIUM FLUORIDE IS DANGEROUS AT THE LEVEL PROVIDED BY TAP WATER AND TOOTHPASTE, NOT AT DANGEROUSLY HIGH LEVELS

[Blasted Child]

The dangers of sodium fluoride is nothing compared to the utter evilness of dihydrogen monoxide anyways.
http://www.dhmo.org/

[Colonel Flagg]

EPA unions, representing 7,000 plus environmental and public health professionals of the Civil Service have called for a moratorium on drinking water fluoridation programs across the country, and have asked EPA management to recognize fluoride as posing a serious risk of causing cancer in people.


Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org (http://www.pnas.org)

www.nejm.org (http://www.nejm.org)

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.

[TheCoolinator]

Ah, you're talking biology or public health?

Maybe you could check these two peer-reviewed journals.

www.pnas.org (http://www.pnas.org)

www.nejm.org (http://www.nejm.org)

Search these links. You might even find a bibliography or two.


Did you read the first article? I'm with the EPA unions. Lower the Sodium Fluoride level to 0.


I. FLUORIDE & THE BRAIN (back to top) (http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#top) Fluoride & Learning/Behavior:
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Calderon J, et al. (2000). Influence of fluoride exposure on reaction time and visuospatial organization in children. Epidemiology 11(4): S153. (See abstract (http://www.slweb.org/visuospatial.html))
Calvert GM, et al. (1998). Health effects associated with sulfuryl fluoride and methyl bromide exposure among structural fumigation workers. American Journal of Public Health 88(12):1774-80. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9842373&dopt=Abstract))
Ekambaram P, Paul V. (2001). Calcium preventing locomotor behavioral and dental toxicities of fluoride by decreasing serum fluoride level in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 9(4):141-146. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11292576&dopt=Abstract))
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Mullenix P, et al. (1995).Neurotoxicity of sodium fluoride in rats. Neurotoxicology and Teratology 17:169-177. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7760776&dopt=Abstract) | See editorial discussing this study (http://www.fluoride-journal.com/96-29-2/292-57.htm#NEUROTOXICITY%20OF%20FLUORIDE))
National Research Council. (2006). Neurotoxicity and Neurobehavioral Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter (http://darwin.nap.edu/books/030910128X/html/173.html))
Paul V, et al. (1998). Effects of sodium fluoride on locomotor behavior and a few biochemical parameters in rats. Environmental Toxicology and Pharmacology 6: 187–191. (See abstract (http://www.slweb.org/paul-1998.html))
Qin LS, Cui SY. (1990). The influence of drinking water fluoride on pupils IQ, as measured by Rui Wen's standards. Chinese Journal of the Control of Endemic Diseases 5:203-204.
Schettler T, et al. (2000). Known and suspected developmental neurotoxicants. pp. 90-92. In: In Harms Way - Toxic Threats to Child Development. Greater Boston Physicians for Social Responsibility: Cambridge, MA. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/psr.html))
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Fluoride & Bone Fracture: Human Clinical Trials (back to top) (http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#top) Bayley TA, et al. (1990). Fluoride-induced fractures: relation to osteogenic effect. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 5(Suppl 1):S217-22. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2339632&dopt=Abstract))
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Gerster JC, et al. (1983). Bilateral fractures of femoral neck in patients with moderate renal failure receiving fluoride for spinal osteoporosis. British Medical Journal (Clin Res Ed) 287(6394):723-5. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6311315&dopt=Abstract))
Gutteridge DH, et al. (2002). A randomized trial of sodium fluoride (60 mg) +/- estrogen in postmenopausal osteoporotic vertebral fractures: increased vertebral fractures and peripheral bone loss with sodium fluoride; concurrent estrogen prevents peripheral loss, but not vertebral fractures. Osteoporosis International 13(2):158-70. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11908491&dopt=Abstract))
Gutteridge DH, et al. (1990). Spontaneous hip fractures in fluoride-treated patients: potential causative factors. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 5 Suppl 1:S205-15. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2339631&dopt=Abstract))
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National Research Council. (2006). Musculoskeletal Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter (http://darwin.nap.edu/books/030910128X/html/107.html))
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Pak CY, et al. (1996). Comparison of nonrandomized trials with slow-release sodium fluoride with a randomized placebo-controlled trial in postmenopausal osteoporosis. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 11(2):160-8. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8822339&dopt=Abstract))
Pak CY, et al. (1995). Treatment of postmenopausal osteoporosis with slow-release sodium fluoride. Final report of a randomized controlled trial. Annals of Internal Medicine 123: 401-8. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7639438&dopt=Abstract))
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Fluoride & Bone Fracture: Epidemiological Studies (back to top) (http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#top)
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a) Cooper C, et al. (1990). Water fluoride concentration and fracture of the proximal femur. Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health 44: 17-19.
b) Cooper C, et al. (1991). Water fluoridation and hip fracture. Letter. Journal of the American Medical Association 266: 513-514. (A reanalysis of data presented in 1990 paper). (See letter (http://www.slweb.org/cooper.html))
Danielson C, et al. (1992). Hip fractures and fluoridation in Utah's elderly population. Journal of the American Medical Association 268(6): 746-748. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1640574&dopt=Abstract))
Hegmann KT, et al. (2000). The effects of fluoridation on degenerative joint disease (DJD) and hip Fractures. Abstract # 71 of the 33rd annual meeting of the Society for Epidemiological Research. American Journal of Epidemiology S18. (See abstract (http://www.slweb.org/hegmann.html)).
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1992). The association between water fluoridation and hip fracture among white women and men aged 65 years and older; a national ecologic study. Annals of Epidemiology 2: 617-626. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1342313&dopt=Abstract))
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1990). Regional variation in the incidence of hip fracture: US white women aged 65 years and olders. Journal of the American Medical Association 264(4): 500-2. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/jacobsen-1990.html))
a) Jacqmin-Gadda H, et al. (1995). Fluorine concentration in drinking water and fractures in the elderly. Journal of the American Medical Association 273: 775-776 (letter). (See letter (http://www.slweb.org/jgadda.html))
b) Jacqmin-Gadda H, et al. (1998). Risk factors for fractures in the elderly. Epidemiology 9(4): 417-423. (An elaboration of the 1995 study referred to in the JAMA letter). (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9647906&dopt=Abstract))
Keller C. (1991) Fluorides in drinking water. Unpublished results. Discussed in: Gordon SL, Corbin SB. (1992). Summary of Workshop on Drinking Water Fluoride Influence on Hip Fracture on Bone Health. Osteoporosis International 2: 109-117. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/keller-may.html))
Kurttio PN, et al. (1999). Exposure to natural fluoride in well water and hip fracture: A cohort analysis in Finland. American Journal of Epidemiology 150(8): 817-824.(See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10522652&dopt=Abstract))
May DS, Wilson MG. (1992). Hip fractures in relation to water fluoridation: an ecologic analysis. Unpublished results. Discussed in: Gordon SL, Corbin SB. (1992). Summary of Workshop on Drinking Water Fluoride Influence on Hip Fracture on Bone Health. Osteoporosis International 2: 109-117. (See excerpt (http://www.slweb.org/keller-may.html))
Suarez-Almazor M, et al. (1993). The fluoridation of drinking water and hip fracture hospitalization rates in two Canadian communities. American Journal of Public Health 83: 689-693. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8484450&dopt=Abstract))
The authors of this study conclude there is no association between fluoridation and hip fracture. However, their own data reveals a significant increase in hip fracture for men living in the fluoridated area. According to the study, "although a statistically significant increase in the risk of hip fracture was observed among Edmonton men, this increase was relatively small (RR=1.12)."
b) Studies investigating association between water-fluoride levels higher than fluoridated water (2 to 5 ppm) & bone/hip fracture.(back to top) (http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#top)
Alarcon-Herrera MT, et al. (2001). Well Water Fluoride, Dental fluorosis, Bone Fractures in the Guadiana Valley of Mexico. Fluoride 34(2): 139-149. (See study) (http://www.fluoride-journal.com/01-34-2/342-139.pdf)
Li Y, et al. (2001). Effect of long-term exposure to fluoride in drinking water on risks of bone fractures. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 16(5):932-9. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11341339&dopt=Abstract))
Sowers MR, et al. (1986). The relationship of bone mass and fracture history to fluoride and calcium intake: a study of three communities. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 44:889-98. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=3788836&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum))
Sowers M, et al. (1991). A prospective study of bone mineral content and fracture in communities with differential fluoride exposure. American Journal of Epidemiology 133: 649-660. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=2018020&dopt=Abstract))
Sowers M, et al.(2005) Elevated serum fluoride concentrations in women are not related to fractures and bone mineral density. Journal of Nutrition 135:2247-52. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=16140906&query_hl=8&itool=pubmed_docsum))
c) Studies reporting no association, or a negative association, between fluoridated water & hip fracture.(back to top) (http://www.slweb.org/bibliography.html#top)
(Note that in 3 of these 9 studies, an association was found between fluoride and some form of fracture - i.e. distal forearm. See notes and quotes below.)
Arnala I, et al. (1986). Hip fracture incidence not affected by fluoridation. Osteofluorosis studied in Finland. Acta Orthopaedica Scandinavica 57: 344-348. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=3788501&dopt=Abstract))
Cauley J. et al. (1995). Effects of fluoridated drinking water on bone mass and fractures: the study of osteoporotic fractures. Journal of Bone and Mineral Research 10(7): 1076-86. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=7484283&dopt=Abstract))
Feskanich D, et al. (1998). Use of toenail fluoride levels as an indicator for the risk of hip and forearm fractures in women. Epidemiology 9(4): 412-6.(See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9647905&dopt=Abstract))
While this study didn't find an association between water fluoride and hip fracture, it did find an association - albeit non-significant 1.6 (0.8-3.1) - between fluoride exposure and elevated rates of forearm fracture.
Hillier S, et al. (2000). Fluoride in drinking water and risk of hip fracture in the UK: a case control study. The Lancet 335: 265-2690. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10675073&dopt=Abstract))
Jacobsen SJ, et al. (1993). Hip fracture incidence before and after the fluoridation of the public water supply, Rochester, Minnesota. American Journal of Public Health 83: 743-745. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8484462&dopt=Abstract))
Karagas MR, et al. (1996). Patterns of fracture among the United States elderly: Geographic and fluoride effects. Annals of Epidemiology 6 (3): 209-216. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8827156&dopt=Abstract) | See critique of study (http://www.fluoride-journal.com/00-33-1/331-1.pdf))
As with Feskanich (1998) this study didn't find an association between fluoridation & hip fracture, but it did find an association between fluoridation and distal forearm fracture, as well as proximal humerus fracture. "Independent of geographic effects, men in fluoridated areas had modestly higher rates of fractures of the distal forearm and proximal humerus than did men in nonfluoridated areas."
Lehmann R, et al. (1998). Drinking water fluoridation: Bone mineral density and hip fracture incidence. Bone 22: 273-278. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=9514220&dopt=Abstract))
Madans J, et al. (1983). The relationship between hip fracture and water fluoridation: an analysis of national data. American Journal of Public Health 73: 296-298. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=6824115&dopt=Abstract))
Phipps KR, et al. (2000). Community water fluoridation, bone mineral density and fractures: prospective study of effects in older women. British Medical Journal 321: 860-4. (See abstract (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11021862&dopt=Abstract) | See Study (http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/321/7265/860) | See BMJ letter responding to study (http://bmj.com/cgi/content/full/322/7300/1486?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1=schmidt&searchid=1029128126419_11632&stored_search=&FIRSTINDEX=0&fdate=6/1/2001&tdate=6/30/2001&resourcetype=1,2,3,4,10#resp5)| See critique of study (http://www.slweb.org/phipps.html))
This study reported a decreased incidence of hip fracture in fluoridated areas. However, as with Feskanich (1998) and Karagas (1996), the study also found an association between fluoridation and other types of fracture - in this case, wrist fracture. "There was a non-significant trend toward an increased risk of wrist fracture."
See also:
Bernstein DS, et al. (1966). Prevalence of osteoporosis in high- and low-fluoride areas in North Dakota. Journal of the American Medical Association 198: 499-504. (See abstract & critique (http://www.slweb.org/bernstein-1966.html))
Lee JR. (1993). Fluoridation & hip fracture. Fluoride 26(4): 274-277. (See paper (http://www.slweb.org/lee.html))
National Research Council. (2006). Musculoskeletal Effects. In: Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Scientific Review of EPA's Standards. National Academies Press, Washington D.C. (See chapter (http://darwin.nap.edu/books/030910128X/html/107.html))

[The Leader]

Well, for one thing Coolie, I clicked on a couple of the abstracts for those and they dealt with high concentrations of fluoride. One was even about problems in India where ". . . Presence of abnormal concentrations of trace elements like strontium, uranium, silica in water supplies, high fluoride levels in foods. . . ." was found. That's not really about the well regulated fluoridation of the US's tap water.

For another thing you're just spamming the thread with a giant bibliography for a argument that you have yet to articulate.

[Esuohlim]

If you're going to copy and paste an entire bibliography, which are the citings of the sources and the not the sources themselves, then either you're not taking this seriously or you really are just not smart enough to make such erroneous claims and actually back them up with real evidence. You probably didn't even read any of it, or you just like the science-y sounding titles, right?

I am not going to sift through a list of 200 articles to find one that backs up your argument. This is your job. This is your ban to avoid, if you truly want to avoid it. Do it for Dimnos, he's the only one upset about this situation you're in!

9 hours left.

[Dr. Boogie]

Coolie, I read all of those articles. Each and every one of them. Not one of them backs up what you're saying.

Don't believe me? Then post the specific statements from at least one showing that sodium fluoride, even in minute amounts, is deadly.

[kahljorn]

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[kahljorn]

Did you read the first article?

No, but I'm sure that's all you read :lol

I'm with the EPA unions. Lower the Sodium Fluoride level to 0. Ultimately, the EPA unions are a bunch of dipshits who don't know what the fuck they're talking about. We don't listen to grocery store workers opinions on nutrition.

[TheCoolinator]

COOLIE WON BECAUSE HES STILL MAKING US WASTE OUR TIME

Ding!

[Pentegarn]

I'll bet Coolie faps to responses to his conspiracy theories

[Colonel Flagg]

I found it amusing that in all his bibliographies, all his research, and all his Google hits, any scientific work that was cited - not read or understood, but cited through someone else's work - was at a minimum 5 years old. This EPA thing he keeps going on about is 5 years old. So Bush had just won term #2 - where's the hue and cry? If there was a public health disaster brewing, why hasn't it been publicized in the 5 years since?

Perhaps because there isn't one? Perhaps because the work was done and the risk was assessed, and found to be negligible against the benefits of minute amounts of fluoride in drinking water?

No, everyone in politics, in the EPA and FDA, in the Water Treatment Industry and in the Toothpaste Industry is "in" on the "conspiracy". This makes sooo much more sense.

My final message to coolie - Keep using dirt to brush your teeth, and paying a premium price to do so. You're keeping "big Toothpaste" in business by doing so.

[Colonel Flagg]

I'll bet Coolie faps to responses to his conspiracy theories

:lol

[Esuohlim]

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[Supafly345]

Relying on only two sources is not too smart in a world with endless possibilities.

Have you ever been to fucking school? You can source a hundred times to just one, just one, of those journals, and as long as they are separate papers they are considered separate sources. JESUS FUCK, you do know that the papers in science journals aren't written by the staff who run the journal right? I mean you have at least a tenuous grasp of the scientific process that even the most retarded college freshman has right? You must have, or else you wouldn't be linking to hundreds of papers you've never read right? To know if they are trustworthy? Right? Not just linked by truthers?

Up until now I've held back the insults, name calling, and character smears in the spirit of good sport. But now that you are gone coolie, I think it was high time I let a little out, since by now it is clear there is no hope for you. You crazy, rapist, truther, angsty, pedo, murdering, theiving, conspiracy theoris, paranoid, mother fucking racist.

[Zhukov]

Tee hee hee.

I like how with his very last breath Coolie tries the "I WAS JUST TROLLING YOU!" tactic.

Funny while he lasted. What a moron though.

[Esuohlim]

COOLIE WON BECAUSE HES STILL MAKING US WASTE OUR TIME

Ding!

This is some heavy M. Night Shyamalan shit brah

[kahljorn]

I CRACKED THE CODE RIGHT AT THE END

I THINK OUR LIVES ARE SPARED FROM WHATEVER IMAGINARY SHIT WAS COMING AFTER US

[RaNkeri]

I don't know what to think of him. He provided so many laughs yet was exceptionally tedious at the same time.

[Pentegarn]

This is some heavy M. Night Shyamalan shit brah

Good analogy.

Hours were wasted, and a stupid ending ("ding") happened that was only clever to the person making it :lol

[Colonel Flagg]

It took me too long to figure out that the only way to have fun with him was to essentially ignore everything he said.

[Supafly345]

If this forum got a ten dollar donation for every asshole who ducked out of a thread with "lol suckers you got TROLLED" after completely embarrassing themselves, this place would be paid for twenty years in advance.

[Pentegarn]

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My new sig

[Colonel Flagg]

If this forum got a ten dollar donation for every asshole who ducked out of a thread with "lol suckers you got TROLLED" after completely embarrassing themselves, this place would be paid for twenty years in advance.

YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONE!

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Sorry, just had to throw that one in there.

[kahljorn]

thanks

[Colonel Flagg]

A classic never goes out of style.

[Pentegarn]

This morning my local coupon email came in.

Know what it was for?

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[Colonel Flagg]

It's a sign. You must warn them. It is .... your destiny.

[Colonel Flagg]

Sorry for the bump, but this conversation just appeared on my ACS group discussion forum:

"White House made a recent decision on Flouridation. But, is flouride really the issue?"

Even chemists have problems spelling. :\

(In case you are interested, the discussion is more on civil liberties and the rights of the federal government to enforce medical treatment in the form of fluoridation of drinking water. Not on the EVIL FLOURIDE MONSTER WHICH WILL POISON YOU AND KIDNAP YOUR FAMILY.)

The petition referred to above was submitted by "fluoridealert.com" an organization with an axe to grind (and money to gain). The entire petition and response can be viewed here (https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions/!/petition/prohibit-all-federal-agencies-promoting-endorsing-or-funding-fluoridation-public-drinking-water/SRYL4NwC).

At least they know how to spell.

[executioneer]

flouride is the primary element of the compound cakenium

[Colonel Flagg]

Flerovium and Livermorium are now elements. Truth.

[Colonel Flagg]

Somewhere, Coolinator is smiling (http://www.rdmag.com/News/2012/02/Life-Science-Environment-Health-Getting-the-fluoride-out/).

If he were around, he would have posted this with the remarkably erudite aphorism "Wha-BAM!".

Here's to the good old days. :liftingmyglassinsalute

[Tadao]

Oh shit, I thought another Coolie showed up to tell me I'm not doing my part in saving the world and Ron Paul will fix everything.

[Colonel Flagg]

You're thinking of yabuturtle.

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