Ann Coulter Lies

[Buffalo Tom]

Ann Coulter Goes To The Movies

by David Corn

Don't read this if you like Ann Coulter.

Don't read this if you want to believe Ann Coulter gets her facts straight.

The other night I was enlisted to appear on MSNBC's Hardball to discuss the controversy over the CBS miniseries on Ronald and Nancy Reagan. On the other side was Coulter, the over-the-top-and-over-the-edge conservative author whose latest book literally brands all liberals as treasonous. Conservatives and Republicans have howled that the Reagan movie was a travesty, complaining it portrays Reagan as out of it in the White House and callous toward AIDS victims. On air, I noted that since the movie, as far as I could tell, does not detail how Reagan had cozied up to the apartheid regime of South Africa, the murderous dictator of Chile, and the death-squad-enabling government of El Salvador, it indeed has a problem with accuracy. But the miniseries' true sin seems to be its schlockiness. The available clips make it look like Dynasty meets Mommie Dearest set in the White House.

Coulter started more restrained than usual, though she predictably bashed Hollywood liberals for trying to undermine the historical standing of a president they despised by resorting to trashy revisionism. Perhaps she even had a point. Who could tell what the producers were aiming at? But then she jumped the tracks. She claimed that the movie Patton was made by Holly-libs with "hatred in their hearts" for George S. Patton, the brilliant but erratic World War II general. These filmmakers "intended to make Patton look terrible," she maintained, but because they produced an accurate work, the movie ended up making "Patton look great and people loved him."

Was Patton a left-wing Hollywood conspiracy that backfired? Host Chris Matthews immediately challenged her in his subtle fashion: "You are dead wrong." He pushed her for proof, and she replied, "That is why George C. Scott turned down his Academy Award for playing Patton." Coulter was suggesting that Scott had spurned his Oscar because the filmmakers plan to destroy Patton's image by portraying the general "as negatively as possible" had gone awry.

Matthews wasn't buying. "Who told you that, who told you that?" he shouted. Her Oracle-like response: "It is well known." She added, "Why did you think he turned down the award, Chris? You never looked that up? It never occurred to you?"

Matthews retorted, "Because he said he wasn't going to a meat parade, because he didn't believe in award ceremonies." And Matthews was right. Following the show, I took Coulter's advice and did look it up. I found a 1999 obituary of Scott that noted he had stunned Hollywood in 1971 for being the first person ever to refuse an Academy Award. He had explained his action by slamming such awards as "demeaning" and he had dismissed the Oscar ceremony as a "two-hour meat parade." (Matthews receives extra points for getting this quote correct.) Coulter had twisted this well-documented episode into yet more proof that liberals--especially those in Hollywood--are conspiratorial traitors.

After I described this exchange to someone who once worked with her, he said, "That's Ann. She lives in her own world and she just makes things up." This interlude concerned a small matter. (Who knew we would be debating one of my favorite movies?) But this minor dustup provided evidence to support a serious charge. As Matthews remarked while wrapping up the segment, "Facts mean nothing to you, Ann." If so, why continue to have her on?

[Jeanette X]

Hell, www.Anticoulter.com has an entire website devoted to debunking that crazy bitch.

[mburbank]

I think she's really funny. I also think the only reason even conservatives put up with her is they think she's good looking. If she wrote like she writes but looked like Andrea Dworkin, I'm guessing she wouldn't have much of a career right now.

[Anonymous]

Good lord. To be honest, I had no idea what the woman looked like up to this point. From what I had read previously about her, I expected an 80-year old, Dr. Laura-esque cryptkeeper to be spewing the kind of over-the-top venom that she does, but instead, she looks a little bit like my mom, ten years ago. Believe me, that is a distrubing revelation to have on this warm November afternoon.

[The One and Only...]

Who was the great Prime Minister who implemented neo-liberal policies in Britain? I thought that's who Coulter was.

Moore is worse.

[Buffalo Tom]

The baseless pontification that is her writing is laughable. I can't believe she actually finished law school, and worked as a U.S. Attorney. Heck, I'm surprised she got into law school.

[Jeanette X]

Moore is worse.
No way. Coulter is ten times worse than Moore. Moore may be an ass, but Coulter is fucking insane.

Some of her finer remarks:
source: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/0111.coulterwisdom.html

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

The "backbone of the Democratic Party" is a "typical fat, implacable welfare recipient"---syndicated column 10/29/99

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

"Women like Pamela Harriman and Patricia Duff are basically Anna Nicole Smith from the waist down. Let's just call it for what it is. They're whores."---Salon.com 11/16/00

Juan Gonzales is "Cuba's answer to Joey Buttafuoco," a "miscreant," "sperm-donor," and a "poor man's Hugh Hefner."---Rivera Live 5/1/00

"I think [women] should be armed but should not [be allowed to] vote."---Politically Incorrect, 2/26/01

"If you don't hate Clinton and the people who labored to keep him in office, you don't love your country."---George, 7/99


"I think we had enough laws about the turn-of-the-century. We don't need any more." Asked how far back would she go to repeal laws, she replied, "Well, before the New Deal...[The Emancipation Proclamation] would be a good start."---Politically Incorrect 5/7/97

"If they have the one innocent person who has ever to be put to death this century out of over 7,000, you probably will get a good movie deal out of it."---MSNBC 7/27/97

"Anorexics never have boyfriends. ... That's one way to know you don't have anorexia, if you have a boyfriend."---Politically Incorrect 7/21/97

On Rep. Christopher Shays (d-CT) in deciding whether to run against him as a Libertarian candidate: "I really want to hurt him. I want him to feel pain."---Hartford Courant 6/25/99

"The swing voters---I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster. "---Beyond the News, Fox News Channel, 6/4/00

"My libertarian friends are probably getting a little upset now but I think that's because they never appreciate the benefits of local fascism."---MSNBC 2/8/97

[Buffalo Tom]

How is this chick any different from the crackpots who count 'The Turner Diaries' as one of their favourite books?

[mburbank]

One single way. She is marginally attractive. Even with all the weight he lost on the Oxycontin diet, Rush Limbaugh is nothing to look at. People like him can fanatsize that becuase they share Coulter rabid political lunacy, she might give them a little underwater handjob action.

Seriously, she's nothing but a nasty nutcase, and in my opinion she's chemically unbalanced. She's so far right of right it's... well, idiotic.

[Anonymous]

To a disabled Vietnam vet: "People like you caused us to lose that war."---MSNBC

That one was my favorite. After I read it, I really started to wonder if this woman is for real.


On a side note, I would like to see an Ann Coulter movie to go along side Moore's. I'll bet it would be simultaneously the funniest and scariest movie of the decade.

[VinceZeb]

I love that these are just quotes put up and not checked if they are out of context. Par for the course for liberals, I guess.

But have you read Korn's book about bush? All he does is take things he said in 2000 and compares them to 2003 like nothing, say a terrorist attack, never happened. Did he expand the goverment? yes, he did. But most of the stuff Korn whines about makes him about as much of a flavor of the week as Ecto-orange Kool Aid was.

[Protoclown]

I love that these are just quotes put up and not checked if they are out of context.

You must love it, since you do it all the time.

[Jeanette X]

I love that these are just quotes put up and not checked if they are out of context.
How could they possibly be any less vicious even when taken in context?

[Buffalo Tom]

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Tell me how this quote is taken out of context. There's no spin you can put on it. It's bizarre and idiotic in any context.

No wonder she sees no meaningful way to debate with liberals. No intelligent person could meaningfully debate such a reckless moron.

[The_Rorschach]

Comparing Coulter and Moore is like comparing Hitler and Pol Pot. I mean, it could be dabted either way. . .But why?!?!

[VinceZeb]

We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war.

Tell me how this quote is taken out of context. There's no spin you can put on it. It's bizarre and idiotic in any context.

No wonder she sees no meaningful way to debate with liberals. No intelligent person could meaningfully debate such a reckless moron.


I have no problem with what she said whatsoever. If countries support and harbor terrorists or commit terrorist acts themselves, I think that would be a great course of action. She is right. We are fighting a war, and we need to treat it as such.

[Protoclown]

You're a miserable excuse for a human being. You do know that, right?

[VinceZeb]

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I should want to fight a war like our Muslim terrorist friends do, huh? We all know how they respect the "rules of engagement."

[Buffalo Tom]

I have no problem with what she said whatsoever. If countries support and harbor terrorists or commit terrorist acts themselves, I think that would be a great course of action. She is right. We are fighting a war, and we need to treat it as such.

How would you define who are terrorists and what are terrorist acts? I would like to know what your criteria are for determining when to apply these labels, and, thus, deciding which countries need to be invaded. I mean this as a serious question.

[sspadowsky]

Please, BT. Don't ask the poor guy to type and think at the same time. We don't want a fainting/hive episode on our conscience.

[Protoclown]

Oh, I'm sorry. I guess I should want to fight a war like our Muslim terrorist friends do, huh? We all know how they respect the "rules of engagement."

You fucking idiot, FIGHTING A WAR was what you JUST PROPOSED. Or is "invading another country and killing their leaders" an act of diplomatic good will in the Big Book of Crazy that you've been taking your pages from?

[Zhukov]

Uh, Poto, Saddam declared war when he flew a few planes into the World Trade Centre. Or did you forget that hmm? The Muslim threw out the rules of engagement THAT day.

[Protoclown]

That reminds me, someone should make a character named Bizarro Vince, and everything he says should make sense and be perfectly reasonable and eloquent.

[CastroMotorOil]

Coulter makes me laugh, as does moore, i don't see either as accurately representing theri supposed political affliations. Only moore actually is funny sometimes, she is just KAHRAZEE!

[mburbank]

Huh. Vinth, you Read David Korn's book? What did you think of it? You know, 'cause if you just read about it, like reviews or scathing attacks, it's possible that some of the quotes might have been taken out of context.

Hell, you read it. Guy like you? Of course you did.

[kellychaos]

She is right. We are fighting a war, and we need to treat it as such.

What's with this "we" shit? Do you have a soldier in your pocket?

[The_Rorschach]

I take back everything mean I ever said about you Kelly.

I almost killed myself laughing at that :) :) :)

[VinceZeb]

The only thing in my pocket is your mom's hand and she is playing some pocket pool with a BIG stick.

Now, to the other idiot.

Yes, Max, I read the book.

To Tom:

Terrorist are people who commit terrorist acts. A terrorist act against the U.S. is an undeclared attack with no seen provication by a group or individual that is acting in the interest of a nation or of a particular group.

Is that what you were looking for?

[Sethomas]

Ah, so you ARE so fucking stupid that you think that 11.09.2001 was related to the present conflict with Iraq. I guess I already knew that, but thanks for demonstrating your incompetence again and again so that I have no hope to forget what a disilusioned moron you are.

[Buffalo Tom]

Terrorist are people who commit terrorist acts. A terrorist act against the U.S. is an undeclared attack with no seen provication by a group or individual that is acting in the interest of a nation or of a particular group.

No, no. I want a definition of terrorism, irrespective of your national origin, political ideology, and religious upbringing. The objective, clinical definition of terrorism that you use to judge which countries or groups use terrorism. I'm seriously interested in knowing what that definition is.

[Sethomas]

Terrorists are defined as sand****** towelheads. Duh.

[mburbank]

Seriously? You read the book? 'Cause it only just came out. You must have rushed straight to the library in your little feety pj's. I mean, I can't believe you'd have purchased it, it's still in hardback and I know you wouldn't want your hard earned internship dollars going to David Korn. OH! Wait! I know! You have a lconviently liberal roomate and or co-worker who lent you the book. And you really, really, really, really read it, all the way through. And you can back that shit up. Did you shout 'BY THE POWER OF GRAYSKULL!" before you strated reading so you could rea d a superhard book like that?


Kelly, 'soldier in your pocket' was one of the fiunnier things I've read her, but man, when Vinth came back with that image of your mom, YOUR MOM, man, MASTURBATING him, and more than that, letting us know his penis is BIG, woah. There was no way to see a shot like that coming. He blindsided you. I mean, your MOM. MASTURBATING him. Man. Yowtch. Jump back, is all I cn say. 'Cause it was Your MOM. YOUR MOM. Doing the masturbating. Burn.

[Zhukov]

He says he has read 'Das Kapital' too, you know. He's a liar. He is just lying, all the time.

[Miss Modular]

Garry Trudeau sends up Frau Coulter. (http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html)

[The One and Only...]

So Zhukov, what is your opinion of the Marxians? I'm guessing your a Marxist, and there is a difference.

[The One and Only...]

"God gave us the earth. We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees. God said, 'Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours.'"---Hannity & Colmes, 6/20/01

What's so unusual aboot that, eh? Take out God, and it makes perfect sense. The only thing that stops people from doing what they want to the earth in my mind is property rights, whether public or private.

Oh yeah, about biodiversity. Someone posted one example and said that one reason it's good is because if one disease kills a certain breed of animal, others will still be around. What's so great about that? It's not as if we are going to eat tigers or bald eagles if all the cattle die out. Sounds like we would be a lot better off of we just genetically-altered domestic breeds of animals in order to minimize such an effect.

And hey, if all the animals do die out, we'll have to become vegetarian. Isn't that a step toward healthier bodies?
















(snicker)

[Sethomas]

If you've read Marx, you should understand why it's a misnomer to call a modern communist a Marxist. I could use some entertainment, so everyone let one of the right-wing drones throw out his best guess as to why.

[The One and Only...]

Because most are misguided teens who think that socialism and communism are the same thing, and that both go hand-in-hand with the green left-wing?

Or, is it because most are Marxian rather than Marxist?

Maybe Engels was the real brains behind the Communist Manifesto? Damn Engelians.

[mburbank]

Once is Enough, that was me who posted the biodiversity argument you're thinking of. You were deliberately being a jerk last time it came up becuase in some way you think it's funny as opposed to just making the times you actually believe something less credible. I told you then it isn't about tigers it's about single strains of wheat or rice or potatoes, or giant ecosystems. It's never about top predators, which is why if the Human Race vanished from the face of the arth tomorrow it would make almost no dfifference to the biosphere, but if most of te species of beetle out there were gone, it would make the possibiulity of complete ecologic collapse much greater.

I know you already understand this. Stop being a dufus, or learn to be funny when you are.

[Zhukov]

There is no political difference between "marxian" and "marxist" you stooge :lol

If you've read Marx, you should understand why it's a misnomer to call a modern communist a Marxist. I could use some entertainment, so everyone let one of the right-wing drones throw out his best guess as to why.

Of the top of my head "I am not a marxist" pops up, is this what you were thinking of?

confustigated
Has this replaced something?

[The One and Only...]

Once is Enough, that was me who posted the biodiversity argument you're thinking of. You were deliberately being a jerk last time it came up becuase in some way you think it's funny as opposed to just making the times you actually believe something less credible. I told you then it isn't about tigers it's about single strains of wheat or rice or potatoes, or giant ecosystems. It's never about top predators, which is why if the Human Race vanished from the face of the arth tomorrow it would make almost no dfifference to the biosphere, but if most of te species of beetle out there were gone, it would make the possibiulity of complete ecologic collapse much greater.

I know you already understand this. Stop being a dufus, or learn to be funny when you are.

First of all, humans are not at the top of the food chain. Those would be decomposers. I'm not exactly sure whether omnivores are second-level or third-level consumers, but we are not the top.

Second, what on earth did endangered species laws have to do with different strands of producers? I have never heard of an endangered wheats or rices or potatoes.

Zhukov, Marxians and Marxists are not the same thing, but you can think whatever you want.

[Protoclown]

What about Martians? Where do they fit into all this?

[kellychaos]

They're next after the Syrians! >:

[Anonymous]

What about Martians? Where do they fit into all this?

They're the original Marxians. Why do you think we call it "the Red Planet"?

[Sethomas]

A modern communist has historical models to follow loosely. Marx only outlined the crises that necessitated rebellion and called for revolt, he admittedly never proposed what a communist state would be like. So the label "communist" stretches farther beyond what "Marxism" entails.

[Zhukov]

Zhukov, Marxians and Marxists are not the same thing, but you can think whatever you want.
Tell us then. I'm all ears.

[Anonymous]

A modern communist has historical blah blah blah blah...

Regardless, they are from Mars. Hence the name.

[mburbank]

I don't know here you learned ecology, but decomposers are a totally seperate class. I called Humans Top Predators, a term that refers to predacious animals (which Omnivores can be) which have no natural enemies that prey on them.

Now you're talking about just American species protction laws as opposed to the inherent value of biodiversity? Sorry I missed that switch. The fact that you haven't heard of 'endangered' strains of staple crops is only becuase you're uneducated on the subject. Most varieties of cultivated plants in human history are more than endangered, they are in fact extinct, although potentially and with a lot of effort we could breed backwards to similar (though not the same) strains. Corporate farming relies heavily on singke strains as they are far easier to bulk produce.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I just read that link that Jeanette posted...the quotes from this coulter woman...my God, I really didnt think anyone could be that brutally stupid. I was wrong. She has to be the product of inbreeding..or bad potty training.

[The One and Only...]

I don't know here you learned ecology, but decomposers are a totally seperate class. I called Humans Top Predators, a term that refers to predacious animals (which Omnivores can be) which have no natural enemies that prey on them.

I thought you were referring to the food pyramid, where detrivores are at the top.

Now you're talking about just American species protction laws as opposed to the inherent value of biodiversity? Sorry I missed that switch. The fact that you haven't heard of 'endangered' strains of staple crops is only becuase you're uneducated on the subject. Most varieties of cultivated plants in human history are more than endangered, they are in fact extinct, although potentially and with a lot of effort we could breed backwards to similar (though not the same) strains. Corporate farming relies heavily on singke strains as they are far easier to bulk produce.

I knew that. But how many of these endangered plants could we eat in a crisis? Hence, I pointed wheats, etc.

I guess they are useful in putting oxygen back into the world.

[Bizarro Vince]

That reminds me, someone should make a character named Bizarro Vince, and everything he says should make sense and be perfectly reasonable and eloquent.


Your wish is granted, my son.

[Zhukov]

Seth, you have to remember that "marxist" doesn't just mean following marx; it is a way to seperate the "marxists" from the maoists, stalinists etc... who all consider themselves communist.


Regardless, they are from Mars. Hence the name.
They found a hammer and sickle on mars. Or was it the moon...? Oh well, it doesn't matter. Despite your best efforts to hijack this thread, Boogie, it is staying communised.

[Anonymous]

Whatever you say, comrad.

[camacazio]

I prefer socialism.