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Dec 4th, 2003, 09:51 PM
And the 'Best German' of All Time Is...
Mon Dec 1, 9:11 AM ET
By Erik Kirschbaum
BERLIN (Reuters) - The Cold War broke out in Germany again on Friday when the formerly communist east voted Karl Marx as the "best German" of all time in a television contest and the west picked post-war chancellor Konrad Adenauer.
In an emotion-packed finale to the three month German television competition, a larger number of ballots cast in the more populous west carried the first West German leader Adenauer to the top overall ahead of Martin Luther, with Marx in third.
Despite massive support for Marx in the formerly communist east and passion-filled arguments from backers, the co-author of the Communist Manifesto could not catch Adenauer, the patriarch who led West Germany out of the Nazi era and post-war gloom.
The 3.3 million votes cast unintentionally exposed a deep rift between the rich west and poor east. Even 13 years after unity, wages and living standards are below western levels and many easterners harbor fond memories of the communist era.
"I never would have dreamt that Karl Marx would make in into the top three of a united Germany," said his patron, a reform communist party (PDS) leader Gregor Gysi.
"Marx is a man known around the world for seeking a freer and fairer society -- and some day in the future his vision will become reality," Gysi said. "In 10 years Marx will be voted second best German and some day after that he'll be number one."
In the contest modeled on a British television show called "Great Britons" that selected war-time leader Winston Churchill, Germans cast votes for the 100 "best Germans" from 1,300 nominations. They were then whittled down to the top 10.
While Marx won more than 40 percent of the vote in the five eastern German states, the 19th century communist philosopher got only about three percent in the west. Adenauer, who led West Germany into NATO (news - web sites) and a close alliance with the West, had very few votes in the east but dominated the west.
"Adenauer put us on track for its happiest and most peaceful era in German history," said Adenauer's patron, historian Guido Knopp. "He led Germany out of the Nazi era into democracy."
The PDS party had urged easterners to vote for Marx with a mass Internet campaign while Adenauer's conservative Christian Democrat party also did their own campaigning.
"I thought Willy Brandt would get more votes in the east," said journalist Friedrich Nowotny, patron of the West German Chancellor famous for policies that relaxed Cold War tensions, who was fifth. "This shows the east is still closer to Marx."
In a country long weighed down by guilt from World War II and wary of idolizing national heroes, the "best German" contest reflects a growing, if still modest, sense of German patriotism.
Others in the top 10 included: Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans (4), Hitler resistance fighters executed by the Nazis; Johann Sebastian Bach (6), printing press inventor Johannes Gutenberg (, 19th century chancellor Otto von Bismarck (9) and physicist Albert Einstein (10).
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I would have voted Marx and Einstein. I don't think Martin Luther should have been in it at all.
"Neither injustice nor tyranny can justify rebellion. Do not resist the man who wrongs you. The kingdoms of this world cannot function without inequality of conditions. Let everyone who can smite, slay, and stab [the peasants], secretly and openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. Kill rebellious peasants just as one would kill a mad dog."
Martin Luther, 1525
The Jews and their Lies
"First, set fire to their synagogues or schools. Bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are to be taught, be taken from them. Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them and that all case and treasure be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow .
They are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth. For a usurer is an arch-thief and a robber who should rightly be hanged on the gallows seven times higher than other thieves.
- The Jews are a heavy burden, a plague, a pestilence, a sheer misfortune for our country."
Martin Luther, 1543
Charming. Before anyone asks, I don't thnk Hitler managed to get very high on the list, if at all.
Mon Dec 1, 9:11 AM ET
By Erik Kirschbaum
BERLIN (Reuters) - The Cold War broke out in Germany again on Friday when the formerly communist east voted Karl Marx as the "best German" of all time in a television contest and the west picked post-war chancellor Konrad Adenauer.
In an emotion-packed finale to the three month German television competition, a larger number of ballots cast in the more populous west carried the first West German leader Adenauer to the top overall ahead of Martin Luther, with Marx in third.
Despite massive support for Marx in the formerly communist east and passion-filled arguments from backers, the co-author of the Communist Manifesto could not catch Adenauer, the patriarch who led West Germany out of the Nazi era and post-war gloom.
The 3.3 million votes cast unintentionally exposed a deep rift between the rich west and poor east. Even 13 years after unity, wages and living standards are below western levels and many easterners harbor fond memories of the communist era.
"I never would have dreamt that Karl Marx would make in into the top three of a united Germany," said his patron, a reform communist party (PDS) leader Gregor Gysi.
"Marx is a man known around the world for seeking a freer and fairer society -- and some day in the future his vision will become reality," Gysi said. "In 10 years Marx will be voted second best German and some day after that he'll be number one."
In the contest modeled on a British television show called "Great Britons" that selected war-time leader Winston Churchill, Germans cast votes for the 100 "best Germans" from 1,300 nominations. They were then whittled down to the top 10.
While Marx won more than 40 percent of the vote in the five eastern German states, the 19th century communist philosopher got only about three percent in the west. Adenauer, who led West Germany into NATO (news - web sites) and a close alliance with the West, had very few votes in the east but dominated the west.
"Adenauer put us on track for its happiest and most peaceful era in German history," said Adenauer's patron, historian Guido Knopp. "He led Germany out of the Nazi era into democracy."
The PDS party had urged easterners to vote for Marx with a mass Internet campaign while Adenauer's conservative Christian Democrat party also did their own campaigning.
"I thought Willy Brandt would get more votes in the east," said journalist Friedrich Nowotny, patron of the West German Chancellor famous for policies that relaxed Cold War tensions, who was fifth. "This shows the east is still closer to Marx."
In a country long weighed down by guilt from World War II and wary of idolizing national heroes, the "best German" contest reflects a growing, if still modest, sense of German patriotism.
Others in the top 10 included: Sophie Scholl and her brother Hans (4), Hitler resistance fighters executed by the Nazis; Johann Sebastian Bach (6), printing press inventor Johannes Gutenberg (, 19th century chancellor Otto von Bismarck (9) and physicist Albert Einstein (10).
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I would have voted Marx and Einstein. I don't think Martin Luther should have been in it at all.
"Neither injustice nor tyranny can justify rebellion. Do not resist the man who wrongs you. The kingdoms of this world cannot function without inequality of conditions. Let everyone who can smite, slay, and stab [the peasants], secretly and openly, remembering that nothing can be more poisonous, hurtful, or devilish than a rebel. Kill rebellious peasants just as one would kill a mad dog."
Martin Luther, 1525
The Jews and their Lies
"First, set fire to their synagogues or schools. Bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians. Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing, and blasphemy are to be taught, be taken from them. Fourth, I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach henceforth on pain of loss of life and limb. Fifth, I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews. Sixth, I advise that usury be prohibited to them and that all case and treasure be taken from them and put aside for safekeeping. Seventh, I recommend putting a flail, an ax, a hoe, a spade, a distaff, or a spindle into the hands of young, strong Jews and Jewesses and letting them earn their bread in the sweat of their brow .
They are nothing but thieves and robbers who daily eat no morsel and wear no thread of clothing which they have not stolen and pilfered from us by means of their accursed usury. If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouth. For a usurer is an arch-thief and a robber who should rightly be hanged on the gallows seven times higher than other thieves.
- The Jews are a heavy burden, a plague, a pestilence, a sheer misfortune for our country."
Martin Luther, 1543
Charming. Before anyone asks, I don't thnk Hitler managed to get very high on the list, if at all.