A few syllogisms on the existence of the supernatural

[The One and Only...]

All existing things were caused.
Reality is an existing thing.
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Therefore, reality was caused.


All existing things were caused.
The concept of the supernatural is an existing thing.
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Therefore, the concept of the supernatural was caused.

Now, it is important to recognize how these proofs could be used in favor of the supernatural. First of all, it is an absurdity to say that something in the natural world could create the natural world, since that would mean it would have to exist before it began to exist; thus, something outside of the natural world - the supernatural would have to have created it.

The second syllogism is a much subtler proof. It requires a question - what would cause the concept of the supernatural if not some evidence for it? Thus, it does not actually prove the existence of the supernatural - it simply widens the discussion and leaves a very deep wound in empirical atheists.

Now then...

I know what the flaws of my syllogisms are already, and they are the flaws of every syllogism known to man - they rely on axioms. There is no proof that everything is caused; this Hume pointed out to me. In addition, there is no proof that reality even exists; this I pointed out to myself. However, axioms have always been required for man to think properly, and the ones I have assumed here are fairly common.

Later, I will post a thread about epistomology and my view on axioms, but this is not the appropriate discussion.

Another thing you may have noticed is that the first proof contradicts the view that time is infinite, at least within the natural world, but I don't want to get into that issue at the current time (no pun intended).

[AChimp]

http://www.anvari.org/db/fun/Gender/Proof_that_Girls_are_Evil.jpg

:dunce

[The One and Only...]

The equation is flawed.

Girls = Time + Money, not Time x Money. "And" implies addition.

[Anonymous]

And yet without that equation, this thread would be pointless.

[sspadowsky]

The equation is flawed.

Girls = Time + Money, not Time x Money. "And" implies addition.

Get back to me when you've dated a girl. Trust me, Girls= Time x Money.

[The One and Only...]

No one has commented on my logic yet. I DEMAND COMMENTS.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I've been married 18 years and have a daughter. Women are indeed evil.

and, you're annoying.

thank you.

[Drew Katsikas]

Sorry to break it to you, but real life isn't a math problem.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, it's a big problem! :lol

[The One and Only...]

Life is a math problem - it's just that it's composed of so many variables that trying to form the equation is like trying to find a needle in the universe.

[Anonymous]

Face it, One, we're still going to keep on talking about chimp's post, no matter what.

[The One and Only...]

That is because YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY LOGIC!!!

[Anonymous]

Maybe. I don't know. I skipped your initial post.

[Drew Katsikas]

Mathematical logic in non-mathematical situations is a fallicy. Example: My friend Ballady is gay. He is a math lover. My friend Justin is a math lover. Therefore, Justin is gay. Wrong. >:

[ziggytrix]

WRONG AGAIN, KATSIKAS!

[Drew Katsikas]

When was the other time? :posh

[ziggytrix]

don't mind me, it's just the fever typing :)

[Drew Katsikas]

good one!

[AChimp]

I caused this thread to be saved, therefore I am. :posh

[Drew Katsikas]

Hey man, this is I-Mockery! We can all be :posh, as long as OAO doesn't have a say in it.

[Anonymous]

I caused this thread to be saved, therefore I am. :posh

He's right.

YOU CANNOT DEFEAT MY LOGIC!!!

[sspadowsky]

No one has commented on my logic yet. I DEMAND COMMENTS.

I did comment on your logic. Get back to me when you've dated a girl. You'll change your mind about the equation.

[Brandon]

Is OAO the new Vince yet?

[Vibecrewangel]

Since my perception creates my reality does that make me supernatural?

[Drew Katsikas]

Is OAO the new Vince yet?

Are you the new Max-worshipping, unfunny, generic poster yet?

[Brandon]

Is OAO the new Vince yet?

Are you the new Max-worshipping, unfunny, generic poster yet?
ARE YOU THE NEW STOOPID-HEAD YET?

[kellychaos]

In one thread, the guy's ridiculing Berkely, then the next thing he does is try to defend "reality" as a physical, not metaphysical, thing. Causes, by defniition, apply to physical things. The idea of any kind of subjective "reality" simply does not apply within the context of "caused things". And to use Hume in supporting any kind of an argument in which anything has a cause on anything else is ridiculous to start with. Have you even read anything by him?!

[Vibecrewangel]

I just want to know if I'm supernatural. Cause....ya know....that would be kinda nifty.

[theapportioner]

kellychaos:

Well, OAO is a little sloppy with words. Reality for him seems to be the entire contents of the universe.

His mistake is taking a characteristic of the parts and applying it to the whole. He does this because he takes the universe to be a separate thing in addition to being a collection of things. It would be like saying that a matrix of numbers is also a number, and the rules for numbers can be applied to the matrix. But obviously this is wrong.

Now, if he were to mean "Big Bang" instead of the universe, then yeah, you have the well known question of what caused the Big Bang. I don't see how this demonstrates the existence of the supernatural in any way however.

As far as his second point goes, well, it's quite dumb and obvious. And it shows absolutely nothing.

[theapportioner]

Moreover, he makes no clear definition of what a 'thing' is. It seems that ideas, and parts of things, are things also. It's ludicrous.

[The One and Only...]

Damn it, I already replied to that before HALF THE FUCKING POSTS GOT DELETED!

I define reality as a set in which all existing things are within. Obviously, this set does not exist when nothing is in it.

[sspadowsky]

Since the board ate it the last time I posted it......

All super-gay threads must be locked.
This thread is super-gay.
This thread must be locked.

Choke on that syllogism, Sparky.

[Suck 'n' Fuck]

The equation is flawed.

Girls = Time + Money, not Time x Money. "And" implies addition.
In Boolean logic, "And" is multiplication.

[kellychaos]

The supernatural does not exist; therefore any laws of cause and affect do not apply within the context of of an argument describing how things within our perceived reality have come to exist. Simple enough for you?

[Anonymous]

The bottom line is that sometimes, people overthink a problem. Case in point: this thread. Achimp saved it from being another OAO sleep aid. Now, though, it's time to put it out of my misery.