Metal question!

[Ronnie Raygun]

What's the diference between Black Metal and Death metal?

[Emu]

Marilyn666 is the difference.

[Ronnie Raygun]

Don't give me that.....

Tell me what the difference is...please!

[Ninjavenom]

I'm not going to go Helm and try to get all technical, so just remember that BM has raspy vocals whereas Death has mid-level or deep vocals. Death is also a lot thicker sounding. BM is infamous for its KVLT bands having crappy recording quality on their albums. BM also makes a point to say naughty things about god. A lot.

[Big Papa Goat]

Theres just as many death metal bands that talk bad about god as there are black metal bands.

[Ninjavenom]

Doesn't matter. It's one of the main pillars of BM.

[whoreable]

album covers!

[Dole]

they both suck, thats all you need to know.

[EverythingWillSuck]

Death: Obituary, Deicide, Amon Amarth, Death
Black: Mayhem, Borknagar, Behemoth, Grimfist

ok

[Ronnie Raygun]

I'm not in that scene so I'm not familiar with those bands.......so that won't help.

Thanks guys for trying.

[Marilyn666]

Marilyn Manson is Black Metal, CRADLE OF FILTH is Death Metal.

[liquidstatik]

LOL

[Mr. Vagiclean]

LOL

LOOL

[Marilyn666]

There is nothing funny about that.

[liquidstatik]

To you!

[Marilyn666]

Explain to me how it's funny.

[liquidstatik]

to you!

[noob3]

because marilyn manson is shitty shock-pop and cradle of filth suck, i've never even heard COF but i can just tell

[Marilyn666]

I still don't get the joke in that.

[bigtimecow]

they both suck, thats all you need to know.

bookayasha. ya damn right.

[Marilyn666]

You probably haven't heard many of their songs. What the hell do you listen to,Good Charlette?

[CastroMotorOil]

Death Metal generally will have deep raspy vocals, subject manner of the songs ranges from ahte of god to simply describing blood and gore. The guitars are fast but thicker and deeper sounding then black metal. (for a horrid comparison, Slipknot guitar tone compared to like green day guitar tone)

Black Metal generally has vocals that are like shrieking and the subject matter is almost ALWAYS about hatred of all things holy. Guitars are normally fast as well but a little higher pitched then death metal. (higher strings, no downtuning etc)

Of course there are 10000000 exceptions to those rules.

For a good illustraton of them, download some cannibal corpse and some Dark Throne, and the differnece will be easy to see.

[Marilyn666]

It's the other way around.

[Mr. Fugo]

Other way around? I think that explanation kinda describes it good.

[Marilyn666]

They are good, but they Death metal should go in black metals place, and Black metal should go in death metals place.

[Mr. Fugo]

Yes, but the "subject manner" description of Death metal is ok as it is, otherwise, I might agree.

At least the black metal I listen to commonly speaks of christ-loathing, whilst the death metal is a mix-up of antichristian themes and plain description of gore and slaughter.

[liquidstatik]

CHRISTIAN METAL! ;D

[Mr. Fugo]

HEHE! That sucks!

There's this Norwegian Christian television show, and it had this Christian-matal guy on, to show how "cool" christianity could be, and he wore all black and all, and bragged along of his affinity for "dark", "heavy" music. hehe. I laughed.

And that same time they had this Satanist guy as a guest, and the topic was "Satan". The topic appeared next to the logo saying "styrk" (Strengthen/support), and when saying "Styrk Satan", the Christians wheren't slow to grip their cellphones and colmplain as hell.

Christian TV is funny.

[Big Papa Goat]

A lot of black metal is about paganism and fantasy rather than blasphemy. Look at Emperor, a lot of Dark Throne, Burzum, Immortal, In the Woods, a lot of the Norwegian scene.
Death metal seems to me to be mostly about a hatred of morality and holiness, whether it be mocking respect for human life with gory images and murder fantasies, or more straightforward Deicide-like blasphemetal.
Just my opinions on the matter. :posh

[CastroMotorOil]

marylin, i would like to have some of what you are smoking, cuz it must be good shit.

Anyway, yes i know i made broad generalizations.

[Jeanette X]

Marilyn Manson is Black Metal.

I do believe that is the STUPIDEST thing you have ever said in your life. Go here: http://www.anus.com/etc/people/srp/interviews/interview1.html, learn a little about metal, then shoot yourself for being so fucking stupid.

I'll bet you think that Manson and Cradle of Filth are "gothic" music too, you clueless retard.

Explain to me how it's funny.

It is insanely funny because you are the biggest fucking numbskull I have ever met.

You probably haven't heard many of their songs. What the hell do you listen to,Good Charlette?

Yeah right you little cunt. I'll bet you've never even listened to Black Sabbath. You aren't the least bit different than the little teenyboppers who think that shit like Good Charlotte is punk. You're just a little teenybopper who thinks Manson is black metal.

[Marilyn666]

I just hate Good Charlette. I know Marilyn Manson and COF arn't gothic. I don't know what a "teenybopper" is. And I'm going to trust my friend who told me Marilyn Manson is black metal. She knows what she's talking about it. You go to hell, you go to hell and you die. And Zorak790, I'm on pennacilin.(yes I know I probably spelled that wrong.)

[liquidstatik]

HI RONGI! ;D

[Mr. Vagiclean]

Marilyn Manson is Black Metal.

I do believe that is the STUPIDEST thing you have ever said in your life. Go here: http://www.anus.com/etc/people/srp/interviews/interview1.html, learn a little about metal, then shoot yourself for being so fucking stupid.

I'll bet you think that Manson and Cradle of Filth are "gothic" music too, you clueless retard.

Explain to me how it's funny.

It is insanely funny because you are the biggest fucking numbskull I have ever met.

You probably haven't heard many of their songs. What the hell do you listen to,Good Charlette?

Yeah right you little cunt. I'll bet you've never even listened to Black Sabbath. You aren't the least bit different than the little teenyboppers who think that shit like Good Charlotte is punk. You're just a little teenybopper who thinks Manson is black metal.

JEAN STOP, JUST LEAVE HER BE. SHE CLEARLY LOVES YOU

[Marilyn666]

You're being sarcastic, right?

[Jeanette X]

JEAN STOP, JUST LEAVE HER BE. SHE CLEARLY LOVES YOU

But I'm having fuuuunn! :wah

And I'm going to trust my friend who told me Marilyn Manson is black metal. She knows what she's talking about it.

Your friend is making shit up so she will sound smart.

[executioneer]

this is why I find it difficult to want to listen to new music >: fucking subgenres >:

-willie

[Marilyn666]

JEAN STOP, JUST LEAVE HER BE. SHE CLEARLY LOVES YOU

But I'm having fuuuunn! :wah

And I'm going to trust my friend who told me Marilyn Manson is black metal. She knows what she's talking about it.

Your friend is making shit up so she will sound smart.
She's alot smarter than you.

[HickMan]

this is why I find it difficult to want to listen to new music >: fucking subgenres >:

-willie

That's the reason I don't listen to music today. For another reason, it's verrrry bad.

[Marilyn666]

People who don't listen to music are crazy!!!!!

[executioneer]

what about people who don't watch TV :rolleyes

-willie

[HickMan]

People who don't listen to music are crazy!!!!!

PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO TODAY'S MUSIC ARE CRAZY!!!!!

[Marilyn666]

People who don't watch TV are also crazy. And my favorite bands are music from today.

[HickMan]

THAT'S WHY YOU WEAR FISHNETS :rolleyes

[Jeanette X]

She's alot smarter than you.

Have her sign up sometime. I need more people to mock.

[Marilyn666]

She only gets on the intirnet to print things.

[Rongi]

Have her sign up sometime. I need more people to mock.

:lol

[Marilyn666]

hillarious? :/

[Rongi]

it's pretty sad that i'm talking to myself

marylin, i'm gonna put you to bed early tonight

[Marilyn666]

I'm not a character, and you know that!!!!

[HickMan]

HEY RONGI!

[Rongi]

Sssh ssh. Be quiet before you wake up papa-san!

[executioneer]

lol don't wake daddy :lol

-willie

[Rongi]

http://www.areyougame.com/images/items/HB00455.jpg

That game was fucking AWESOME

[HickMan]

I ONLY HAD THE CHEAP-ASS TRAVEL VERSION. I WAS POOR :(

[Marilyn666]

Sssh ssh. Be quiet before you wake up papa-san!
What?
And I thought they made "don't Wake Daddy" in the 90's.

[whoreable]

Please keep talking Marilyn666 I would love to see jeanette out smart you again! :lol

[Marilyn666]

She hasn't outsmarted me. >:

[executioneer]

And I thought they made "don't Wake Daddy" in the 90's.

what does that have to do with anything :/

-willie

[Marilyn666]

I'm not the one who brought up the game.

[executioneer]

i was responding to "Be quiet before you wake up papa-san!". I don't know what THAT is in reference to, but it reminded me of "don't wake daddy". What "don't wake daddy" has to do with "being from the 90's or not" is up to you to explain to me :lol

-willie

[Marilyn666]

Well now it seems like it was made before that, but I remeber the commercials.

[executioneer]

i still don't get why when dont wake daddy was made has anything to do with anything :/

-willie

[Marilyn666]

Never mind.

[executioneer]

oh go take some chewables >:

-willie

[theapportioner]

LOL

This thread is hilarious. Anyhoo...

Death metal, think of low-pitched guitars played very fast, with deep roars for vocals. Heavy on the drums too, often a lot of double bass action. More extreme than thrash metal (early Metallica) but doesn't get quite as chaotic as grindcore (early Napalm Death). Still can be pretty all over the place. There has been an increasing emphasis on technical originality more recently. So the songs are not as simplistic as hardcore (although hardcore has gone the technical route too). There's also a branch of it that melds Iron Maiden style melodic heavy metal with death metal - it's been called the "Swedish style" or melodic death metal. Lyrics tend to be about, you know, death, gore, Satan, etc. Representative bands: Morbid Angel, Suffocation, Obituary, Entombed, In Flames, At the Gates...

Blackmetal, on the other hand, has a higher "sound" for its guitars and higher pitched vocals that are screeched. Less about gore and more about Satan, and some pagan elements thrown in there for good times. Definitely more "goth" looking than death metal musicians, who look more, I dunno, grungy. There's a side to it that prides itself on being TROO and KVLT metal, and has shit production values. There's also a punk music feel to TROO black metal. The other side is more melodic, using pseudoclassical keyboards and that sort of thing. Overall, there's an emphasis on "atmosphere" that's more pronounced for blackmetal than death metal. Guitars are usually played fast. Drumming can be pretty nuts too. Representative bands: Emperor, Mayhem, Cradle of Filth, Dimmu Borgir, Darkthrone.

Hope that helps!

[Marilyn666]

"goth music" isn't a type of music.

And executioneer, you shouldn't want me to take chewables, because if I do I wont die.

[HickMan]

If you stab yourself, like all goths talk about in their poems. You'll die anyway :/

[Jeanette X]

"goth music" isn't a type of music.


So what are Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, and Fields of the Nephilim then? :blah

[Sicktodeathmx]

"goth music" isn't a type of music.

And executioneer, you shouldn't want me to take chewables, because if I do I wont die.
*Cough* Bauhaus? Sisters of Mercy? I could have sworn they were at one point labeled goth.

You all have had really good definitions of death vs. black metal. Better than what I could have come up with. But you know, then you can get into the subs of Emo. You know, Botch and shit like that. This one board I post in thinks that Botch is like emo of sorts.

[Marilyn666]

"goth music" isn't a type of music.


So what are Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, and Fields of the Nephilim then? :blah
When you catogorize the music they don't have a thing called "goth music".

[HickMan]

GOD DAMN THERES TWO TYPES OF MUSIC

1. GOOD

2. BAD

There aren't these sub catagories and shit like that.

[Ninjavenom]

Yes there are. It's stupid not to classify music. There's no way to refer to it and have people know of what you speak without genres.

[HickMan]

Well, I'm pretty much talking about these stupid sub-catagories. Like pop-punk and stuff like that. The music is punk. Mainstream punk, but still punk. No questions asked and no genre mixing.

THAT's what I really don't like.

[Jeanette X]

"goth music" isn't a type of music.


So what are Sisters of Mercy, Bauhaus, and Fields of the Nephilim then? :blah
When you catogorize the music they don't have a thing called "goth music".

So what catagory are they in then? :blah

[Mr. Fugo]

Can't really figure another way to describe Fields of the Nephilim, other than goth music/goth rock.

[Ninjavenom]

Different sounds for similar genres, Hickman. Metal's got tons and tons of variety. There is indeed a limit to the amount of genres a style can contain before it becomes ludicrous, but Goth, Black, and Death are all valid and different types of metal. Same as Pop Punk is to punk rock.

[Dole]

'pop' and 'punk' were two words that should never have gone together.

[Marilyn666]

Yes they do because they both suck.

[Big McLargehuge]

sometimes a character is so annoying and stupid it isn't even funny anymore.

[Marilyn666]

I'm just a person who want's to annoy, and destroy;not a character.

[Big McLargehuge]

you should stop posting after 666 posts, that would be soooo goth.

[Marilyn666]

I'm not that stupid.[/i]

[Mr. Vagiclean]

but you are that american rebel [/i] :(

[Marilyn666]

And if I stopped posting at 666th post I would be giving in into his trap.

[Bobo Adobo]

Have any of you guys ever heard of the genre"Electro Grindcore Jazzersized Porno-funk"? If you Have, Can you tell me the difference between that Genre and "Electro Hardcore Punkasized Porno Funk"?

Dorky ass kids today, trying to figure out what to call your music rather than just shutting the fuck up and listening to it.

[HickMan]

Marilyn likes the devil! :eek [/i]

[Jim Duncan - Weather]

To define them both:

Death Metal: Teh Suck

Black Metal: Teh Ghey

[Big Papa Goat]

Have any of you guys ever heard of the genre"Electro Grindcore Jazzersized Porno-funk"? If you Have, Can you tell me the difference between that Genre and "Electro Hardcore Punkasized Porno Funk"?

Dorky ass kids today, trying to figure out what to call your music rather than just shutting the fuck up and listening to it.

Quit yer bitchin

[The Unseen]

I know more about Crust, grindcore and gothic rather than Death metal and black metal but they're all definantly great :)

Marilyn manson is shock pop :lol

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Shock pop? Jesus, I remember when you had metal, punk and the shitty stuff....all of these sub-catagories....I lose track!

[Marilyn666]

Marilyn likes the devil! :eek [/i]
obviously.

[liquidstatik]

:lol

[Marilyn666]

I don't get the joke in that.

[liquidstatik]

Yer new avatar is pretty. :)

[Jeanette X]

I don't get the joke in that.

You don't get any jokes, period.

[Big Papa Goat]

:(

[Marilyn666]

I just said "obviously" I don't see how that's funny. Yes my avatar is pretty.

[executioneer]

lol I just realized there was a joke in this thread :lol [/i]

-willie

[Marilyn666]

No there's not! >:

[Jeanette X]

No there's not! >:

Yes there is. And the joke is your very presence.

[Marilyn666]

Yeah that's hillarious. :rolleyes

[executioneer]

that wasn't the joke i was talking about :rolleyes [/i]

-willie

[Marilyn666]

There wasn't a joke at all.

[Helm]

Too late for me to be on topic but nevertheless... clasp did a decent job of explaining.

Death metal was basically thrash metal taken it it's extreme, at first. Possessed, Death, Onslaught were the first few proto-death metal bands to strive for this new sound. The progression from thrash to death metal can be easily heard in Slayer's Reign in Blood. Whereas Thrash was usually minor in fine rock tradition, death metal sought to achieve a much more chaotic sound by composing in chromatic or atonal scemes. The focus was on driving rhythmic brutality. Then came Suffocation and gave birth to technical death metal which is basically more of the same just with the difference of intent, obviously. The sound doesn't change much from generic brutal death metal, it's the technical precision that changes. Blastbeats everywhere, twisting guitar riffs, odd tempos and complex structures. And dudes that growled. The form of the music rather than the content of it has always been death metal's focus. It's also considered sort of a semi-sport, a test of endurance among musicians, to play such music because it's so demanding.

Black metal spawned from the disgust of some teenagers towards the fact that death metal became semi-trendy at some point in the early nineties. They claimed that for a genre called death metal, it sure wasn't about death enough. So they started playing sloppily, dischordantly and in a dronish fashion about hate and death and occasionally jesus getting fucked up the ass. The content was the focus, in contrast to death metal. And the intent was usually nihilistic but romantic. A sort of juvenile 'I hate everything' mentality put to music. Tremolo picking and an underplayed blastbeat usually were employed.

If you've heard Death and Suffocation, you've heard all you need to hear of death metal just so you can make the distinction... and I suppose Mayhem and Darkthrone epitomize the black metal sound.

[Jeanette X]

*gives Helm a big wet kiss for being so smart* :)

[Helm]

I don't fuck women. Sorry.

[Marilyn666]

That isn't sex.

[Jeanette X]

I don't fuck women. Sorry.

:wah

[bigtimecow]

the difference is that black metal sucks, and death metal is good.

:lol2

[Ninjavenom]

:blah

[Pip]

Death Metal is just plain violence

Black however has more "Occult" messages such as slaves to Satan, Paganism etc.

[bigtimecow]

they both suck, thats all you need to know.

bookayasha. ya damn right.

the difference is that black metal sucks, and death metal is good.

omfg! i like, sooooo contradicted myself!

i am such a f46607!!!