White people aren't allowed to be African

[Perndog]

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http://www.theomahachannel.com/education/2783824/detail.html

Student Caught In Racial Controversy
Flyers Promote White Student For African-American Award

POSTED: 6:39 AM CST January 22, 2004
UPDATED: 11:59 AM CST January 22, 2004

OMAHA, Neb. -- Four Westside High School students are suspended for promoting a white student for an African-American award.

More than 150 flyers were distributed throughout the school Monday. They featured junior Trevor Richards. A South African native who moved to the United States in 1997.

Westside officials say the flyers were were quickly removed because they were inappropriate and insensitive to black students.

Trevor said he is as African as anyone else.

"I had no intent of hurting anyone or offending anyone. I wasn't trying to make a statement. I was just running for the award, but i guess the administration felt differently," Richards said.

Richards was suspended for two days.

Two other students were disciplined for putting up the posters and another student was punished for starting a petition to promote Richards.
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On a related note...isn't it amusing that if you called a recipient of the United Negro College Fund a Negro he'd either kick your ass or sue you?

[sspadowsky]

We discussed this in my Black Culture class today. I work literally right down the street from the school where this is happening.

The kid is supposedly running for the award based on the claim that he is African-American, which is bullshit in all but the most technical sense. This kid is no more African-American than I am the Queen of Armenia. It's bullshit, and it is insulting. It's an award to recognize an outstanding black student in the school, and it's awarded in February, during Black History Month.

Omaha is a pretty racially divided city, so of course some whit parents are all in an uproar over this. This shithead grew up with a privileged life in a segregated society. To try and call himself African-American in any way other than jokingly, is an insult to real African-American people who have been through a hell of a lot worse than he. This kid is a prick. Fuck him.

[Abcdxxxx]

Black Culture class huh? Is that what they're calling Anger Management class these days?

[Brandon]

I'm with spad on this one. This kid sounds like a smug little prick.

"LET'S GET SOME JOLLIES BY FUCKING AROUND WITH AN AWARD FOR BLACK STUDENTS. THAT'LL TEACH THOSE ******S!"

Little piece of shit.

[sspadowsky]

Black Culture class huh? Is that what they're calling Anger Management class these days?

Hahahaha! Oh, I forget, you're just so fucking Zen. Calm and placid as a Minnesota lake on a windless spring day, so you are.

[Abcdxxxx]

Uh, Spad? You said the class was being taught in a racially divided area right? So a Black Culture class would be in part to teach tolerance, and explore the history and culture in depth right? The need for that in itself is a bit insulting. I take it for granted by living in a large ethnically diverse city, that Black Culture is everywhere, and been a huge influence to America in a way that should be easily recognizable. So really these kind of classes are geared towards preventing ignorance and hatred. Anger Management.

I have a lovely temper but I'm very cultured.

[Supafly345]

This is more a fight over the term "African American." Seeing how you simply cannot deny that a large percentage of african-americans are not black. Sure, we all know this kid was just trying to stir things up because he felt obligated to test the system when given the opportunity, but he really is shining some much needed light on the publically deemed "politically correct" term for blacks. This is is stressed even more by the fact that not all blacks are african-american, and they are usually upset when labeled as such.
The controversey should really be over the term, and not the kid.
Blacks are blacks. I don't hear whites being called "European-Americans" after all.

[sspadowsky]

Abcd, I misunderstood your point, and took it as a personal attack. I sincerely apologize.

Your clarification makes sense, and yes, it is sad that there is a need for such a class. I think, however, that anyone who takes the class will benefit from it if they walk in with an open mind.

[The One and Only...]

I think this a progression in the move toward a color-blind society.

King would be happy.

[Perndog]

I for one think the label "African-American" is ridiculous in its current usage. What about Egyptians? Do people call them African-Americans? No. But their race has lived in Africa for 5,000 years.

That's kind of minor, though; the thing that really bothers me is that so many exclusive things are available for blacks (the aforementioned UNCF for one) but if anyone tried to set up a similar institution for European descendants, they'd get slammed for racism. I'm fine with exclusive racial stuff but it should be able to swing both ways. Belonging to a minority race doesn't in itself make one needier or more deserving of aid.

[Abcdxxxx]

Well, look at California where Whites are indeed the minority, and some kids attempted to a start Caucasian clubs and got shut down.

On another note, I was shocked when I moved to NYC and found out my classmates who were all natives New Yorkers had never heard of the Black Panthers... but it's not like they knew who the White Panther party were either...or cared.

Spads - maybe my sense of humor is a bit exotic for you?

[Abcdxxxx]

OAO - we're a loooooooong way from a color blind society, nor do I think that's always a particularly bad thing. as stupid as a black culture class or a african american club might be... i bet they're a lot of fun!!!! i love diverse cultures.

[Supafly345]

The caucasian club did not get shut down, they won their right to have it claiming that the prevention of it was reverse-racism.

But to what pern said, yes, blacks are given too much these days. They are taking for granted all the hard work that their fathers and grandfathers did to gain equality, by abusing it and requiring nothing less than generous hand outs. Our system is very tending to blacks, it is the other minorities that are getting rammed up the ass. Blacks are only, what, 13 percent of our population? And yet nearly 70% of minority benefits are going to them. Go figure.
Now I am definetly one to go slamming blacks, I respect their ancestors for what they did to get equality. But today's blacks are riding the wave of shame in our government and drowning us with it.

We are on our way to a colorblind society, it just may not be noticable since we haven't been fully concious observers long enough. When we were kids it wasn't this relaxed between races, we just didn't notice.
It really isn't that hard to notice. In some cities, such as Seattle (where I live), there is practically nonexistant tensions between races, its only the out-of-towners that cause that. In fact, I am really quite the stranger to racism outside of industrial. Most of the girls I have dated in even have been either full or part black.
Maybe a colorblind society isn't that far off.

[DamnthatDavid]

The problem with being colorblind, is that you still only see in Black and white.

I wrote an article in my High School's Newspaper a long while back. I recived death threats for it.


Why? Why can I not express the pride in myself? I see others going around yelling Asian Pride, Black Pride, Hispanic Pride, but if I stood up and yelled White Pride I would be beaten black and blue. I would be labeled as a racist.
Why can I not stant up and proclaim German pride without being called a facist Nazi? I see all these people, whining and complaing about ill treatment in the past. "We were treated bad, we were kept as slaves." That's bad and all, but its in the past.
Look through history and you will see that every race has been treated badly.
Germany at one time was over run with Roman suppressors, with the men and women starved, slaughtered, taken as slaves, and the women raped. Unlike others, I do not go around complaing about this. I have never tried to sue the government of Italy for the woes of the past. This reparation for the blacks for the enslavement of their ancestors is not even supported by the majority of the country. 75% of Americans oppose the idea. last time I checked, that's alot. It is in the past, and you can't do anything about it, but some people try.
Where does this hate come from? I personally never did anything. My family has never done anything, so why must I worry about the taboo's of the past?

I heard something funny in class just a while ago. A Pacific Islander girl was telling her friend how she would never buy Girl Scout cookies from a white girl, and only from Asians and other Islander descendents. What the hell?!?!
Reading the history, there is no reason for this racist remark.
White countrys have never held a major military campaign to conquer the islands. They where welcomed in.
In fact, the only country ever to try to conquer most of the Pacific Ocean was Imperialist Japan during WW2.
I see these idiotic remakrs, and I wonder just how many people are paying attention in history.

My point is, all races have had it bad at one time or another. So stop complaing or being selective in your hate. If you going to hate anyone, hate yourself. For you are the ones continuing to keep the past alive, and not looking toward the future.

I found it funny how the races of my school was split. I got more angry replys from wiggers then from anyone else. I had blacks come up to me and tell me that it was a good article.

[Brandon]

You know what? I'd agree with these statements if the average black child was born into the same situation as the average white child.

It's easy to complain about "minority benefits" when you grow up in suburbia.

[Abcdxxxx]

Supafly - You're wrong. There is no Caucasian Club at Freedom High in Oakley, CA.. The NAACP cut it off, and the girl transfered schools because she was harrassed. http://www.washtimes.com/national/20031124-120259-3073r.htm

Students at another California school attempted it as a stunt , got shut down, and reprimanded when their charter had a White Supremacy slant to it.

First of all, check the stats on Hispanics recieving assistance, and you'll see how off your numbers are. Your comments about Blacks are pure insanity. Today's Blacks are a mixed bag just like any other community, and they're not collectively riding any "waves". While I'd be the first one to spot an affirmative action case a mile away, the majority of Blacks have had to work their asses off against a system that is less then accomodating.

Most Black communities are non-existant or dwindling in major cities due to reverse White flight. The Black communities are up and leaving because they don't feel comfortable anymore. There's even a huge movement to return to the plantation South! Blacks aren't seen as "exotic" or culturally challenged minorities, but that doesn't mean they're not victims of a system that wasn't designed to work in their favor. The majority of all Black neighborhoods are still filled with liquor stores, and churches. Why is that?

Art - Suburbia doesn't mean you're priviledged, nor does being born to a White family. Some of the most rural poverty in this country is in the predominantly White areas of the Appallachia.

[Protoclown]

My roommate and I were watching some sci-fi show or something, and he referred to one of the characters as African-American. I can't remember what we were watching, so let's just say he called Lando Calrissian African-American.

NOW ISN'T THAT SILLY? :lol

[The One and Only...]

I don't care about a colorblind society. I just care about a colorblind government.

[AChimp]

Those two things are not mutually exclusive, you stupid twat.

[Abcdxxxx]

Chimps right, at this point if our Government didn't recognize the "special needs" of minorities, it wouldn't go so well.

[Ant10708]

Its just reverse racism to say that a white south arfican who is now an american is not allowed to be called an african american. Hes has african roots and is now an american. African American.

[AChimp]

He's taking advantage of a technicality to try to land an award that's obviously meant to be given to someone who's black. I was born here, does that mean I should go around calling myself a Native American?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

you're north of the border..so technically, you're a canuck. You should eat back bacon and drink Elsinore beer and wear a retarded hat with ear flaps.... >:

[The One and Only...]

You have a very narrow view of what constitutes America. If I'm not mistaken, Canada is considered a part of (suprise!) North America.

[derrida]

I don't think the student in question really qualifies as African so long as there's a semantic distinction between Americans and African Americans. Considering his descent from the minority white population in South Africa, he should more adequately be referred to as a European-African or a Boer, hyphenated into European-African-American or Boer-American.

MLK was a strong advocate of affirmative action, OAO.

[The One and Only...]

Oh. Well, anyway...

I'm not defending this guy because I think he should win the award. I just think that he's making a point. Aren't the various classifications regarding ethnicity getting a little out of date? Shouldn't we just call ourselves what we want?

Personally, I think the best way to bring minorities out of the gutter is to increase funding for education to the poor. I don't believe that their higher poverty rates are the product of rascism - it has more to do with a lack of any decent education and a bad environment.

That may sound out of place for me. But don't worry, I still favor a negative income tax (or vouchers, but I prefer the former) for the poor rather than governmentally run schools. The real question is what we can do with the money we save. Hell, we could put it all back into education if we wanted - I suspect that if we limited government funding of college tuition for the top 10-15% (top of what to be determined; perhaps SAT scores), we would still have money left over. Hell; we might even be able to fund more than that, considering that we spend around $8,000 per pupil compared to roughly $5,000 per pupil in private schools.

[Abcdxxxx]

Being a minority doesn't automatically put you in the gutter. It doesn't even prohibit you from gaining a proper education. Many minorities recieve assistance from their country of origin, or might have already recieved superior educations before moving here. Poverty isn't a learning dissability. Bad teachers are the only sure things that prohibit a good education.

[Supafly345]

Incase you haven't already figured it out, I am black.

[AChimp]

Yeah right. >:

You have a very narrow view of what constitutes America. If I'm not mistaken, Canada is considered a part of (suprise!) North America.
Cosmo was making a joke, you 'tard.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

at least YOU got it Chimp...that's was I was aiming for. ;)

[Cosmo Electrolux]

You have a very narrow view of what constitutes America. If I'm not mistaken, Canada is considered a part of (suprise!) North America.

Correcting someone making an obvious joke makes you look even more retarded. Just an FYI. ... Stupid fuck.

[AChimp]

:love

[george]

my boss took gret delight in reading this aricle to me and my coworker.

he was rightously pissed off, and horrified about how these kids were being mistreated.

i asked "you understand how offensiv it is that they have a SOUTH AFRICAN nominated for this award with SOUTH AFRICA having been the last hold out for sepratisim, and how offensive that is?"

"yeah, well fuck them. look how fucked up south africa is since they let the ******s take over."

it is all just so stupid. martin luther king is one oof the few heros i have, just cause all he ever wanted was for us all to treat each man and woman with dignity and respect.

apparently that just cant be done.

[Supafly345]

It cannot be done because everyone thinks that Dr. King was talking about equality, not unity. If you ask any black american about what Dr. King was pushing for, they would reply that he was pushing for equal rights, which is just not true. Society misread his message, and now we are equal, but not together.
Now the black community feels it is their duty to take revenge upon the white people of america and make today's citazens pay for the evils of their ancestors. Doing it while believing that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King was aiming for, not equality, but supremacy. His daughter spoke at UW the other day, and all that came out of her mouth was messages about love and unity. But nobody listens now, they just want equality. To be more equal than the other guy.

We belong together as a joint community. All that is coming out of this power struggle is a waste of money and alot of extra anger.

[The One and Only...]

Isn't that much closer to Malcolm X than King? The desire of supremacy, as you put it.

[Supafly345]

Please fully read my posts before you comment on them. I stated how Dr. King was striving for unity, but todays black community sees it as being equal. Equal by being put at the king's table wether they have earned it or not.
You simply read "...blah blah blah that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King was aiming for, not equality, but supremacy. blah blah blah..." and lept at the apparent chance to argue.

Malcolm X believed that whites didn't deserve to live. Simple as that.

[Abcdxxxx]

Well, Malcolm gave a few different messages, often in conflict with each other. Being a fan of his teaching doesn't mean you're an automatic supremacist. Same as being a student of Dr. Kings didn't stop the Jesse Jacksons and Al Sharptons from getting things a little confused.

You have to remember that "equal rights" was a buzz word term in those days that we've come to distort into meaning "i deserve more because you've put me at a disadvantage". That's not what the original feminists, or gay rights leaders wanted...and it's not what King wanted either. They all were about making changes that effected our future, while things like Reparations dwell on the past. I don't think there's any arguments in this thread in favor of that.

With that said, Supa, being Black in Washington State is a pretty individual experience. I don't know where you're from, or how much you've travelled, but I've spent a lot of time in some ghetto areas and throwing some money at the problem isn't the worst idea. Of course , fixing the system would be ideal. There are Blacks in all tax brackets, but for those at the bottom, Sports and the entertainment industry are still the only goals young kids aim for. They're not being encouraged to be pharmacists, or real estate brokers. I'm just of the opinion that Blacks have contributed enough to our culture, and have been intertwined into American communities long enough they shouldn't be compared in statistics to the recent influx of Asians (or whoever) and their needs. Nobody would pull out stats of Native Americans and compare them to Russian imigrants to prove Natives are lazy. It would be insane.

[Supafly345]

Well, I am relieved that you cleared that all up. In fact, you cleared up many different topics there as well as the one we were talking about, so I guess we are all done. Good chat everyone.

[The One and Only...]

that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King was aiming for, not equality, but supremacy.

That statement doesn't make any sense in proper english. Do you mean that King was aiming for supremacy?

[Ant10708]

If society wasn't so godamn PC then we wouldn't even need labels such as African American and the award would be for black kids and be stated as such.

[AChimp]

That statement doesn't make any sense in proper english. Do you mean that King was aiming for supremacy?

The sentence makes perfect sense. He meant King was aiming for supremacy. It was in quotes to show a degree of facetiousness and make fun of, not just a lack of understanding in his posts, but a high degree of retardation.

[The One and Only...]

No, it doesn't make any grammatical sense.

Recall the statement:

Doing it while believing that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King was aiming for, not equality, but supremacy.

Now, considering what the phrase mean meant, it should have read this:

Doing it while believing that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King were aiming for supremacy, not equality.

The first statement might have made sense, but it became muddled because of the incorrect usage of "was" in place of "were".

In short, Canuck, you need english lessons.

[Supafly345]

that men like Dr. Martin Luthor King was aiming for, not equality, but supremacy.

That statement doesn't make any sense in proper english. Do you mean that King was aiming for supremacy?Dammit are you thick headed. That was a small exerpt that belonged to a larger text. If you had properly read what I posted outside of just small slices that your mind picks up as 'idiot arguing material' than it would make perfect sense. It was a prediction of all that you saw of my previous posts, and according to the post in which I am replying, you picked up much less than that.

[Perndog]

In short, Canuck, you need english lessons.

I guess it's just a question of who's mentally developed enough to grasp the meaning of statements even when they're imperfect instead of looking at every word literally and assuming they can't possibly just be mistakes.

You sound more like a contrary little boy with every successive post. No one appreciates anything you have to say around here anymore. Why don't you take a vacation and adjust yourself a little bit in whatever way is necessary to make yourself just a little more interesting and less of a waste of protoplasm?

[Emu]

To be more equal than the other guy.

We belong together as a joint community. All that is coming out of this power struggle is a waste of money and alot of extra anger.

Is it just me, or does that flash images of Animal Farm into anyone else's heads?

[derrida]

After googling "martin luther king affirmative action" I found this:

"Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic."

http://www.fair.org/extra/9505/king-affirmative-action.html
(fortified with right-bashing goodness!)

[Suck 'n' Fuck]

To be more equal than the other guy.

We belong together as a joint community. All that is coming out of this power struggle is a waste of money and alot of extra anger.

Is it just me, or does that flash images of Animal Farm into anyone else's heads?
You mean 1984.

[Emu]

Actually a little of both. With Animal Farm I was thinking of the "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others" thing.

[ziggytrix]

i asked "you understand how offensiv it is that they have a SOUTH AFRICAN nominated for this award with SOUTH AFRICA having been the last hold out for sepratisim, and how offensive that is?"

So just because you're white and from South Africa, you supported apartheid?

Doesn't the fact that his family left the country for America mean anything?

I say fuck you to everyone jumping this kid's case. He probably meant it as a joke. If he'd been living here for any length of time, he'd know that the term African-American means something different than someone who changed their citizenship from somewhere in Africa to America. Joke or statement about the absurdity of our language or whatever, did he deserve to be suspended over this?

This is actually more common than you think. Do you know how many white kids, born in Africa, now live in the US? I've a friend who is from South Africa, and when she first moved here someone had to explain why she couldn't apply for African-American scholarships. She thought it was funny, but that was the end of it.

To think you'd have to fuckin educate someone from South Africa on racial sensitivity is absurd. No one my age was around when the serious shit happened here. Someone from S. Africa is a witness to a real civil rights movement whether they were for or against it, they LIVED it. And I mean no disrespect to anything anyone is doing right now to make our citizens more equal, but damn, we've come a long way if all we have to worry about is some white kid saying he's native African and now American, but not saying he's African-American because that makes black people mad.

WHAT THE FUCK?! This shit gets press but the shit we're desensitized to cuz it happens every day still goes on and no one says or does anything cuz no one knows what to do, but hey, here's some dumb kid, let's take out our problems with these issues on him, yeah that sounds real fucking productive. >:

Our species is fucking insane.

[Abcdxxxx]

Ziggy - everyone here seems to understand the kid meanti t as a joke. if it sparks deeper conversation about the fringe issues then so be it.

White South Africans aren't the most recially sensitive bunch no matter where you find them. A good number of them left for America because their families had to leave, because they were guilty of something. So it works both ways. They're also coming from a world where being racially sensitive isn't much of a priority, and their sense for such a thing might not be as pc as ours. Yeh it was a joke, but that doesn't mean the kids the next coming of Lenny Bruce.

[AChimp]

In short, Canuck, you need english lessons.

:lol

I notice how you claim the sentence only became "muddled" because of the "was" rather than a "were," and yet you change the structure at the end.

Your narrow freshman mind hasn't grasped the concept of the comma. I, on the otherhand, like Perndog has said already, can auto-correct the occassional misused word in my head.

[The_Rorschach]

Tragically amusing :)

[The One and Only...]

The fact that you have an "auto-correct" feature hardwired into your brain proves that overlook the fine details regarding reality, and therefore lack the ability to logically process information.

[Anonymous]

The fact that you have an "auto-correct" feature hardwired into your brain proves that overlook the fine details regarding reality, and therefore lack the ability to logically process information.

Auto-correct, not auto-ignore, which is what you seem to have.

[AChimp]

The fact that you have an "auto-correct" feature hardwired into your brain proves that overlook the fine details regarding reality, and therefore lack the ability to logically process information.
Uh huh... well, next time you're navel-gazing and wondering how to get that stain out of your bedsheets, you should ponder the reality of being alone for the rest of your life.

[The One and Only...]

Suck my Southeast nuts. They're hairy, but not exotic. I'm from the Southeast. Taste the Atlantic.

[AChimp]

You should also ponder the meaning of humour, and the infinite ways you just can't compare.

[The One and Only...]

That stings, Chimp. Really. I'm going to cry now.

Seriously.

[The_Rorschach]

A poor mimicry of Helm followed by an equally miserable Burbankian-esque quip. . .

What is the key to comedy?

Timing. . .But originality is equally important.

[The One and Only...]

Excuse me, but isn't this board called I-Mockery?

[Anonymous]

Then correct you I shall, because this board is called Philosophy/Sociology/Religion/Politics/News/etc.