who's wrong

[FartinMowler]

Me for asking my wife to return two T shirts given to us by her friend for my kids that say "Jesus loves you" and "God is great" or her friend for giving it to us and not knowing that we are not religous.

[Perndog]

No one's wrong. Your friend is just a dick.

[El Blanco]

If she didn't know they aren't religious, how is she a dick?

Anyway, respectfully give them back. Thank her for the gesture but explain your position in a reasonable tone. No blood, no foul.

[Perndog]

Because she gave them Jesus Loves You shirts without having been told they were Christians.

[El Blanco]

And? My sister brought me back an I Love Italy t-shirt from her honeymoon even though I had never been there. I'm certainly not going to be pissed over that.

What else do we know about the situation? Maybe their town has a large Christian population?

What about the fact that Christianity calls for its members to spread the Word?

[Ant10708]

No one is wrong and no one is a dick. It was a nice gesture but you guys aren't Christian so no harm done.

If you were offended then you are one of those elite whiny pussies. But you don't seem offended so just return them. :)

[FartinMowler]

I don't think if I tell my wife her freind is a dick it would go over well :/ I just think religous people are so so wierd with the presumption that everyone is on there team. My wife was kinda pissed that she had the task of returning them but when I explained that I want my kids to wait until there adults and they can decide for themselves she didn't argue with me. My wife used to be very religous as a teen and does't really pay much attention to it now.

[Perndog]

There is a large and obvious difference between a shirt saying a foreign country is nice and one that endorses a religion.

Yes, Christianity calls for its members to spread the word. In many cases, spreading the word makes them dicks.

I wouldn't be offended if someone gave me a Christian gift; I really wouldn't care, and I wouldn't bother returning it.

If it were a gift for my children, however, I *would* be offended. What if I gave your kids "Hail Satan" T-Shirts? That would be me being a dick. Don't you think? It's fine to assume someone is a Christian because most folks in this country are. But to act on that assumption, especially concerning impressionable children, without confirming it, is a shitty thing to do.

[The One and Only...]

Not to mention all the shit that would be pummeled out of those kids at school for wearing a gay "Hail Satan" shirt.

[Perndog]

Someone who still regularly gets pummeled in the halls of his junior high school is not in a position to say that.

[Ant10708]

If you gave my child a Hail Satan t-shirt I'd proably keep it for myself.

[The One and Only...]

Someone who still regularly gets pummeled in the halls of his junior high school is not in a position to say that.

I've never been beaten up. Ever.

[El Blanco]

There is a large and obvious difference between a shirt saying a foreign country is nice and one that endorses a religion.



Says you.

Yes, Christianity calls for its members to spread the word. In many cases, spreading the word makes them dicks.

Giving out t-shirts makes people dicks?



If it were a gift for my children, however, I *would* be offended. What if I gave your kids "Hail Satan" T-Shirts? That would be me being a dick. Don't you think? It's fine to assume someone is a Christian because most folks in this country are. But to act on that assumption, especially concerning impressionable children, without confirming it, is a shitty thing to do.

I'd say "No, thank you" and give them back. Can you reasonably assume my family are Satanists? Unless we live in an area where most people are, you can't. However, its not too far fetched for a Christian to assume so.

Granted, I wouldn't give anybody a "Jesus loves you" shirt because its a crappy gift. But, you are just being a drama queen.[/quote]

[Perndog]

I wouldn't throw a fit, either, and I probably wouldn't go to the trouble of returning the gift. I also wouldn't be too friendly with the person in the future.

Like I said, it's fine to assume but offensive to act on the assumption in a way like this before it's a certainty.

[El Blanco]

So, do you get pissed if a person on the street wishes you a merry Christmas or says God Bless you when you sneeze? Do you refuse to handle dollar bills?

Figure, if they don't know not to get you that shirt, you aren't that close to begin with.

[Big Papa Goat]

Saying merry christmas and God bless you does not neccesarily carry religious meaning, especially in casual conversation. A shirt that says Jesus Loves You is pretty explicitly christian. And it seems to me getting a shirt like that for someone elses children seems to me to be kind of like trying to impose your beliefs on someone elses children. Which is really fucking obnoxious if the parents don't share that belief.
I'd make sure of the familys beliefs before making such a gesture.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Someone who still regularly gets pummeled in the halls of his junior high school is not in a position to say that.

I've never been beaten up. Ever.

I find that hard to believe. A pompous dickhole like you never had his butt kicked? Right.

[El Blanco]

Saying merry christmas and God bless you does not neccesarily carry religious meaning, especially in casual conversation.

Seeing as how Christmas is a Christian religious feast, I am inclined to disagree. Or, I can easily say a shirt that says "Jesus Loves You" holds the same meaning.

A shirt that says Jesus Loves You is pretty explicitly christian. And it seems to me getting a shirt like that for someone elses children seems to me to be kind of like trying to impose your beliefs on someone elses children. Which is really fucking obnoxious if the parents don't share that belief.
I'd make sure of the familys beliefs before making such a gesture.

How is she imposing her beliefs? She gave them t-shirts. Don't like'em? Return them or stuff them in a drawer never to be seen again.

[Dole]

Yeah, Christmas is SO much about Christianity these days. You can almost TASTE the love for Jebus as you watch your grandparents fall asleep at 2 pm after too much sherry, and listen to your kids screaming like fucking banshees because you didnt get the right batteries for the Action Man abortion clinic.

Whichever way you slice it, its a fucking stupid gift. Keep your stinking religion the fuck off my kids clothes. Hey, you could have that printed on a t shirt and give it back to the original t-shirt givers.

[glowbelly]

hey now, didn't you party with the antichrist?

i got sorta reprimanded at work for wearing a shirt that said "punk bitch" on it. i said sorry and put some duct tape over the "b" word. what pissed me off was when a fellow co-worker who was terribly in love with jesus came in around easter time wearing a shirt with a crucified, bloody christ with his arms spread out across his chest and the words "he loved you this much" scrawled across it and NOBODY SAID A THING TO HIM ABOUT IT.

[Dole]

Haha...I had forgotten about crucifiction that shirt!! That is wrong on so many levels!

[Protoclown]

In answer to the original question, no one is wrong. Just return them, there's no reason for either party to make a big deal out of it.

It's no more rude for you to return the shirts than it was for the gift-giver to make an assumption about your religious beliefs in the first place.

[FartinMowler]

In answer to the original question, no one is wrong. Just return them, there's no reason for either party to make a big deal out of it.

It's no more rude for you to return the shirts than it was for the gift-giver to make an assumption about your religious beliefs in the first place.


Your pretty smart for a homoclownsexual

[Perndog]

You're missing my point, Blanco. It's the kids, man, the kids. I don't care what any Christian or pagan or Jew or Muslim says to me. I care about their influence on the children that I will have sometime in my life. No, I don't think this sort of thing would actually have more than a nominal effect on any normal kids, but it's the thought that counts.

[george]

who cares? hail satan, jesus loves you, whats the difference?

i mean, jesus does love you, even if you dont love him! no worse than getting a shirt that says "george has a huge penis". a constant truth and a huge lie all in one package. something for everyone as far as i can tell.

[El Blanco]

You're missing my point, Blanco. It's the kids, man, the kids.


Oh, boo-hoo. Who are you, Helen Lovejoy?

I don't care what any Christian or pagan or Jew or Muslim says to me. I care about their influence on the children that I will have sometime in my life.

ITS A T-SHIRT! Its not like she forced them to sit and watch a video and then tatoo a crucifix to their forheads.

No, I don't think this sort of thing would actually have more than a nominal effect on any normal kids, but it's the thought that counts.

And she thought she was being nice. If someone says "God bless you" whenyour kid sneezes, do you go nuts?

[Perndog]

I wasn't talking about her intentions. I was talking about my principles. And like I said, I wouldn't flip out in any case, even if it were something that was actually serious. I'd just think the person was a jerk.

[FartinMowler]

I dunno I find it's like the over saturation of "I'm Gay and proud of it" thing. I mean in the last 5 years I have had this rammed down my throat with movies and t.v and newspapers and magazines that I now am so full of this and I've just begun to relax about being ok with the fact that I don't believe in God that I just wish people would shut up and be nice people with out giving something to advertise there stupid beliefs or sexual preferences.

[Dole]

How to spot a repressed homosexual:

a) 'I have had this rammed down my throat'

b) 'I now am so full of this and I've just begun to relax '

[FartinMowler]

How to spot a repressed homosexual:

a) 'I have had this rammed down my throat'

b) 'I now am so full of this and I've just begun to relax

:/ Well that's just an obvious taken out of context ploy...I can imagine that this site is teaming with insecure people searching out there sexuality or beliefs. I think that the underlying fact that I am a guy that just likes to have fun and communicate with different people without an agenda is too difficult for %99 of you. When I first came to this site I was kicked in the head over and over and to this day I never have recieved a nice PM from someone just to chat. Who is hidding something? I've used this site to try out some things that I have alway's wanted to do but spent my life working hard for the things I have. One thing, if anybody every paid any attention to me is that I like to "write" :/ not explore the possibility that I might be a homosexual or I might believe in God. I am comfortable with being a boring online friendless heterosexual that just wants to make a few people laugh :/

[Pee Wee Herman]

How to spot a repressed homosexual:

a) 'I have had this rammed down my throat'

b) 'I now am so full of this and I've just begun to relax
I am comfortable with being a boring online friendless heterosexual that just wants to make a few people laugh :/
You mean you're comfortable with being a boring online friendless homosexual that just wants to make a few people laugh :blowme

[FartinMowler]

Well, if I was it would be with someone named Pee Wee :/

[Pee Wee Herman]

Flattery will get you everywhere.

[FartinMowler]

But, fortunatly... I'm not in prison and your not my bunk mate :)

[Pee Wee Herman]

Says who?

[Dole]

" Well that's just an obvious taken out of context ploy...I can imagine that this site is teaming with insecure people searching out there sexuality or beliefs. I think that the underlying fact that I am a guy that just likes to have fun and communicate with different people without an agenda is too difficult for %99 of you. When I first came to this site I was kicked in the head over and over and to this day I never have recieved a nice PM from someone just to chat. Who is hidding something? I've used this site to try out some things that I have alway's wanted to do but spent my life working hard for the things I have. One thing, if anybody every paid any attention to me is that I like to "write" not explore the possibility that I might be a homosexual or I might believe in God. I am comfortable with being a boring online friendless heterosexual that just wants to make a few people laugh "


WHOA! Methinks the lady doth protest too much.
And hey, no-one ever PMs me nice messages either. But thats cos I'm a RIGHT CUNT

[FartinMowler]

I guess you understand my point then. I'm kinda in a pre-midlife blues... just adjusting to having time to actually write and play my bass without all the complications of "I wonder if I will get laid tonight?" or " I wonder what I should wear today" or " should I have a shower and shave today" just to impress people or boost my self image. I find this site annoying sometimes and really want to leave and sometimes I feel guilty that I don't send money to support it for the fact that I am in denial that I actually belong to a group of people that I don't think actually like me or they mainly don't like themselves and that is actually "teh" group that is underlying in this mostly a ficticious site?. I alway's wonder if most of the people have alter ego's respond to boost there self image mainly because everyone is too shallow to talk to each other. I alway's revert back to James who said "Fartin you just don't get it". I've spent most of my life not getting
religion/homosexuality/callous and unfeeling people. I am slowly becoming bitter and my skin is getting thick and I hope that I can regain my funny warped sense of humour that many friends and family have said that I have and I feel is slowly slipping away......Boogie knew it was me so I figured most would figure it out.. :/ [/code]

[george]

what in the fuck are you crying about?

i think yor last post is exactly why you do not belong here. you dont get it, none of this stuff means anything. it is all just fun.

quit being a pussy.

[Emu]

Really, why do you give a fuck what we think? :lol

[FartinMowler]

think yor last post is exactly why you do not belong here. you dont get it, none of this stuff means anything. it is all just fun.

Blah... this site is boring not fun...I keep seeing "This board used to be good" ...its most likely because everybody left after the closet opened a dozen times.

[mesobe]

how can you blame the poor christian lady or guy? he/she doesnt know better! Just a sad brainwashed soul.

I would have just accepted them with s warm smile and then used them to wipe up the dog piss on the kitchen floor.

[Perndog]

Fartin, don't make me revive that "You're a whiny bitch" thread.

[kellychaos]

I haven't worn a shirt with any writing on it, be it manufacturer's logo or otherwise, for years. It's not a form of snobbery or anything. It just doesn't appeal to me to wear that type of thing.

[FartinMowler]

Fartin, don't make me revive that "You're a whiny bitch" thread

This is my post and I can whine if I want...you can't do a search anyway. I'm a moody fucker this week :/

[Pee Wee Herman]

I haven't worn a shirt with any writing on it, be it manufacturer's logo or otherwise, for years. It's not a form of snobbery or anything. It just doesn't appeal to me to wear that type of thing.
So you've never worn a T shirt that says "I fuck on the first date?"