For you Franken lovers

[The One and Only...]

http://www.frankenlies.com/

[Emu]

And this has relevence to what now?

[ranxer]

ho hum, another attack site from the right wing.. i was wondering when you would find it. love those links too..
pesky fundamentalists can be found in most towns in america, i try to avoid them. who is David Pierre anyway?

Al - 'Although I wrote this book in a spirit of dispassionate inquiry, I cannot expect my critics to respond in kind. My right-wing detractors will undoubtedly tell you that I’m “obnoxious,” “smug,” and a “clear and present threat to our national security.” I will not stoop to dignify such calumny with a response, except to say that Condoleezza Rice should watch her mouth. '

[The One and Only...]

Al Franken lies. Nuff' said.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

and the current administration doesn't?
you're a fucking idiot, boy.

[The One and Only...]

What does that have to do with anything? All that shows is that Franken can only be taken as seriously as Bush. Is that really what you wanted to point out?

[Bennett]

wow, thanks for enlightening me OAO, I'm no longer going to vote for Franken... oh wait, that's right, he's a fucking comedian.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

no, you stated that Franken lies. I pointed out that Bush lies more and with more destructive consequences. You post random piles of shit for no other reason than to show strangers on a message board that you possess a broad vocabulary and a primary knowledge of the world and it's political leanings.

You're still a fucking idiot, in my humble opinion and should probably spend your time in a more constructive pursuit...perhaps russian roulette?

[The One and Only...]

Amusing, but two wrongs don't make a right.

[Royal Tenenbaum]

wrong number 1 to you: You being fucked in the ass with a nail.
+ wrong number 2 to you: You being shot in the face with a machine gun.
= one huge right for us!

[Cosmo Electrolux]

Well Said...

[mburbank]

I'll tell you what, I never voted for Franken. I resent what he's done to America, how he spends my taxes and the many fine young boys who died in the uneccesary war he started.

George Bush on the other hand should not be held to that sort of standard, becuase he's primaraly a comedian, holds no ones life in his hands and is really, really funny.

[The One and Only...]

You are all fools. George Bush is irrelevant in this discussion. People take Franken seriously when he should not be. Limbaugh has a more honest track record than Franken.

[Emu]

This whole discussion is pretty irrelevant.

[ranxer]

Limbaugh has a more honest track record than Franken

:lol :lol i'm speechless

[sspadowsky]

You are all fools. George Bush is irrelevant in this discussion. People take Franken seriously when he should not be. Limbaugh has a more honest track record than Franken.

Hmmmm.......

Number of deaths resulting from any lies in Franken's book: 0

Number of deaths resulting from lies by the Bush Administration: Depends on who you're counting: American soldiers (around 550), or Iraqi civilians (over 10,000, last I heard).

Couple of other things, junior: First, I'll bet that you haven't even read Franken's book. Furthermore, that site is weak. Beware sites that take carefully selected quotes and put them out of context. Someone as smart as you seem to think you are should know that.

[mburbank]

OAO is a conclusions first kind of guy. Then he looks for a supporting argument and he's not very choosy about them. He doesn't synthesize the heavy weight intellectual stuff he pushes, he synthesizes just enough of it for a short essay or multiple choice answer on a test. Book jacket fodder. Then he mixes it with swallowing whole anything he can surf up to agree with a current argument he's selected based entirely on being oppositional. The "Hey, I'm an asshole" approach to thinking.

Witness the 'science' he's pandered around, and now this sort of crapola.

His 'intelect' is currently of the trained monkey variety (Not that there's anything wrong with that at fifteen) but he's so impressse with it, it strikes me as unlikely he'll go farther. Added to this, his intellect lacks any rigor. If he can find something that matches his already determined conclusion, taking a look at how good a source it is, or if it can stand on it's own at all, or if it even makes sense is beside the point.

Lazy, self serving, self impressed. Not a good foundation.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

You are all fools. George Bush is irrelevant in this discussion. People take Franken seriously when he should not be. Limbaugh has a more honest track record than Franken.

:lol you are a fucking idiot!!! :lol :lol

[mburbank]

I particularly like his stand on people who break drug laws doing time. It doesn't get more honest than that.

[Emu]

It boggles the mind why he stays here and lets people make fun of him.

[Jeanette X]

Al Franken lies. Nuff' said.

What the fuck makes you think that anyone on this site takes Franken seriously?

As for Limbaugh, let's see you come up with Franken statements more riduculous than these:

LIMBAUGH: "It has not been proven that nicotine is addictive, the same with cigarettes causing emphysema [and other diseases]." (Radio show, 4/29/94)

REALITY: Nicotine's addictiveness has been reported in medical literature since the turn of the century. Surgeon General C. Everett Koop's 1988 report on nicotine addiction left no doubts on the subject; "Today the scientific base linking smoking to a number of chronic diseases is overwhelming, with a total of 50,000 studies from dozens of countries," states Encyclopedia Britannica's 1987 "Medical and Health Annual."

LIMBAUGH: "Now I got something for you that's true--1972, Tufts University, Boston. This is 24 years ago--or 22 years ago. Three year study of 5000 co-eds, and they used a benchmark of a bra size of 34C. They found that the--now wait. It's true. The larger the bra-size, the smaller the IQ." (TV show, 5/13/94)

REALITY: Dr. Burton Hallowell, president of Tufts in the '60s and '70s, had "absolutely no recollection" of such a study, according to Tufts' communications office. "I surely would have remembered that!" he exclaimed. Limbaugh's staff was unable to produce any such study. A search of the Nexis database--while revealing no evidence of a Tufts study--did produce a number of women theorizing that the presence of large breasts caused a lowering of IQ in some males.

LIMBAUGH: "Women were doing quite well in this country before feminism came along." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Before feminism, women couldn't even vote.

LIMBAUGH: "There are more American Indians alive today than there were when Columbus arrived or at any other time in history. Does this sound like a record of genocide?" (Told You So, p. 68)

REALITY: According to Carl Shaw of the U.S. Bureau of Indian Affairs, estimates of the pre-Columbus population of what later became the United States range from 5 million to 15 million. Native populations in the late 19th century fell to 250,000, due in part to genocidal policies. Today the U.S.'s Native American population is about 2 million.

LIMBAUGH: "Do you know we have more acreage of forest land in the United States today than we did at the time the constitution was written." (Radio show, 2/18/94)

REALITY: In what are now the 50 U.S. states, there were 850 million acres of forest land in the late 1700s vs. only 730 million today (The Bum's Rush, p. 136). Limbaugh's claim also ignores the fact that much of today's forests are single-species tree farms, as opposed to natural old-growth forests which support diverse ecosystems.

LIMBAUGH: "If you have any doubts about the status of American health care, just compare it with that in other industrialized nations." (Told You So, p. 153)

REALITY: The United States ranks 19th in life expectancy and 20th in infant mortality among 23 industrialized nations, according to the CIA's 1993 World Fact Book. The U.S. also has the lowest health care satisfaction rate (11 percent) of the 10 largest industrialized nations (Health Affairs, vol. 9, no. 2).

LIMBAUGH: "The poorest people in America are better off than the mainstream families of Europe." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Spring/93)

REALITY: Huh? The average cash income of the poorest 20 percent of Americans is $5,226; the average cash income of four major European nations--Germany, France, United Kingdom and Italy--is $19,708.

LIMBAUGH: "Banks take the risks in issuing student loans and they are entitled to the profits." (Radio show, quoted in FRQ, Summer/93)

REALITY: Banks take no risks in issuing student loans, which are federally insured.

[The One and Only...]

All of you are committing logical fallacies. What Bush has done is not relevant in this discussion. It would have the same relevance as my saying "Well, look at what Stalin did" whenever you talk about Bush.

[Emu]

So, what was the point of posting this site? Everybody here's demonstrated pretty well that the credibility isn't great. It sure seems like you keep posting these things just to piss everyone off or get them to make fun of you.

[Anonymous]

Hey guys, this humorist lies in his book! Isn't that the worst thing you've ever heard!?

[Emu]

LIMBAUGH: "If you have any doubts about the status of American health care, just compare it with that in other industrialized nations." (Told You So, p. 153)


Industrialized nations meaning "nations where industries go to recruit children to work in factories for pennies a day" I suppose?

[The One and Only...]

I think Jeanette has been looking at some selective statistics with regards to healthcare. Ours may be more expensive, but we don't have to deal with technological shortages.

[sspadowsky]

I'll bet you get beat up at school quite a bit, don't you?

[Jeanette X]

I think Jeanette has been looking at some selective statistics with regards to healthcare. Ours may be more expensive, but we don't have to deal with technological shortages.

Of course, you totally ignore all the other wild aburdities that Rush has stated in favor of the only one that can be reasonably argued. My point is not about health care, which I suppose was a poor choice for a quote, but rather that has made some pretty wild lies (lies which are shown in the other quotes) and that I doubt that Franken has made any that even come close.

[Cosmo Electrolux]

I think Jeanette has been looking at some selective statistics with regards to healthcare. Ours may be more expensive, but we don't have to deal with technological shortages.
:lol :lol Stop it, my sides are hurting...:lol :lol

[AChimp]

RUSH: "WTF is up with all the ******s? Now where my pills at?"

:lol

[Pee Wee Herman]

George Bush on the other hand should not be held to that sort of standard, becuase he's primaraly a comedian, holds no ones life in his hands and is really, really funny.
Bush is a comedian. He is so fucking funny. Don't "misunderestimate" him!

[The One and Only...]

Of course, you totally ignore all the other wild aburdities that Rush has stated in favor of the only one that can be reasonably argued. My point is not about health care, which I suppose was a poor choice for a quote, but rather that has made some pretty wild lies (lies which are shown in the other quotes) and that I doubt that Franken has made any that even come close.

You should look up the word exaggeration. It's a good concept, frequently employed by posters on this message board.

But in all honesty, Limbaugh is a talk show host, while Franken writes. Limbaugh should be expected to lie more often simply because he gets put on the spot more than Franken. You also need to look at lies per statements made rather than sum total for a fair analysis.

[VinceZeb]

Limbaugh has a greater track record than most people realize when it comes to the statements he makes as being factual. But I guess facts dont play well here.

But it is cute to see Jeanette X get away from cleaning house and doing dishes to rap philosophical about politics.

[pjalne]

Hi Vince :)

[Brandon]

But it is cute to see Jeanette X get away from cleaning house and doing dishes to rap philosophical about politics.
Once again, Vince displays his razor-sharp wit through generic sexism.

[Emu]

Man, I missed you, Vince. The boards needed a good dumbing down.

[mburbank]

All I can say is, some big words I sort of know the meaning of. But then I think a philsopher I've heard of that I'm willing to bet you don't know much about made some arguments that agree with me. Since I know the words and the philsopher chances are I must be right.

What I mean is, I need you to hate me. It makes me know I'm alive.

[Big Papa Goat]

I'll bet you get beat up at school quite a bit, don't you?

What an original and daring sentiment

:imock

[Jeanette X]

You should look up the word exaggeration. It's a good concept, frequently employed by posters on this message board.

Exaggeration? No, OAO. Exaggeration would imply that there was some grain of truth to the statements. But there isn't any.

So, Vince, where have you been? It's been a while.

[sspadowsky]

I'll bet you get beat up at school quite a bit, don't you?

What an original and daring sentiment

:imock

Haha. Original and daring? Not hardly. Deadly accurate? You betcha.

[The One and Only...]

How is it accurate if I've never been beaten up in my entire life?

[Cosmo Electrolux]

How is it accurate if I've never been beaten up in my entire life?

you're overdue.

[Perndog]

:lol @ "rap philosophical"

That has to go into the "intelligent sentences" thread.

[AChimp]

http://www.chsbs.cmich.edu/Jordan_Lindberg/Bruces.jpg

[sspadowsky]

How is it accurate if I've never been beaten up in my entire life?

Maybe it's not as accurate as my assertion that you haven't even read Franken's book

[mburbank]

Man, somehow I totally mithed that latht Vinth Potht.

It was a little better. It had two howlers worthy of collecting, and a classic Vinthian lack luster generic sexist swipe. Not bad, but hardly worthy of celebration.

[Bennett]

>: Guys you're never gonna believe this, but Tim Allen really didn't put a V8 engine in his dishwasher like he said he did in his stand-up! >:

What a lying piece of shit.

[Pee Wee Herman]

>: Guys you're never gonna believe this, but Tim Allen really didn't put a V8 engine in his dishwasher like he said he did in his stand-up! >:

What a lying piece of shit.
Why doesn't OAO make a thread about it?

[mburbank]

He's not here today. I think he may be having a hissy fit becuase Dr. Boogie locked his most egregiously self flaggelant threads.