A big "hmm"

[teh_mastar!]

Does it perplex anyone else that neither VinceZeb nor mburbank have initiated threads here?

[Emu]

the whole philosophy board is their domain

[teh_mastar!]

Yes, but it seems that most of their debates are devoid of philosophy. At least between the two of them. Certainly they're at odds philosophically, but there's something much deeper between them.