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Ronnie Raygun
Mar 9th, 2004, 09:19 PM
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/3/9/154650.shtml

Exclusive: U.S. Finds Radioactive Missiles in Iraq
Charles R. Smith

Tuesday, March 9, 2004

U.S. Army troops operating at a former Iraqi air base recently made a startling discovery: Russian-made missiles marked with radioactive warning signs.
Army bomb disposal troops confirmed using Geiger counters that the missiles are indeed radioactive.

The discovery is not, however, considered the long-sought "smoking gun" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

The missiles appear to be part of a cache of weapons supplied to Iraq before the 1991 Gulf War.

The Russian-made R-60, NATO code name AA-8 Aphid, air-to-air missiles are part of a huge stockpile of former Iraqi Air Force munitions uncovered in over a dozen concrete bunkers.

The Russian-made missiles are more than 6 feet long. Each carries 1.6 kilograms or about 3.5 pounds of radioactive uranium wrapped around a high explosive warhead.

The uranium is not pure enough nor in large enough quantity to be a nuclear warhead but it is dangerous enough, as you can see from the label:

U.S. bomb experts noted the R-60 warheads are similar in design and content to a so-called "dirty bomb" that could contaminate a small area with radioactive materials.

Difficult Disposal

The discovery of the uranium-laced R-60 missiles illustrates the difficulty that coalition troops have in trying to dispose of the billons of dollars of Iraqi weapons left behind after the second war.

The R-60 missiles cannot simply be destroyed because the uranium-laced warheads could pose a health hazard to coalition troops and Iraqi civilians.

Army bomb-disposal experts have gathered up all the R-60 missiles found at the site and quarantined them at a single, heavily guarded location.

The R-60 has a very small 6-kilogram (13.2-pound) explosive warhead. The R-60 missiles supplied to Iraq by Russia contained uranium in their warheads to assist the small explosive charge in destroying targeted aircraft.

Russian weapons designers added the uranium belt to the missile in order to knock-out western aircraft using the dense metal as a way to punch through heavily armored sections of U.S. made jets.

U.S. troops also found a small number of advanced R-60M warheads at the site. The R-60M missiles are equipped with an advanced laser destruct system that detonates the warhead when it passes close to a target aircraft.

More Russian Missiles

In addition, U.S. troops uncovered several large air-to-surface Kh-28 missiles, NATO code-named AS-9 Kyle.

The Kh-28 is a Russian-made, anti-radar, air-to-surface missile with a top speed of more than 2,000 miles an hour.

The missile is approximately 19.5 feet long, 17 inches in diameter, has a wingspan of 5.5 feet and weighs more than 1,500 pounds. It carries a conventional 340-pound high-explosive warhead and has a range of 54 miles.

U.S weapons experts are also handling the Kh-28 missiles carefully, but not because of its electronic radar-seeking warhead.

The Kh-28 is powered by a liquid-propellant propulsion system that consists of a fuel tank and an oxidizer tank. The oxidizer is a dangerous chemical known as "red fuming nitric acid" or IRFNA. Each missile carries approximately 20 gallons of IRFNA.

The oxidizer is considered to be highly dangerous and a possible carcinogen. U.S. Air Force disposal squads dismantled a Kh-28 found after the 1991 Gulf War using full Hazmat suits and special anti-chemical gear.

Again, U.S. forces are taking great care in the disposal of the missiles for fear of exposing coalition troops and local civilians to hazardous chemicals such as the oxidizer found in the Kh-28 missiles.

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Zhukov
Mar 9th, 2004, 09:29 PM
Is this an anti Russian, or a "I told you so" news item?

Ronnie Raygun
Mar 9th, 2004, 10:12 PM
I'm not anti-Russian.

I think it's funny that they were against the war in Iraq and now we find this.

...it's actually more about the weapon and less about where it came from.

KevinTheOmnivore
Mar 9th, 2004, 10:16 PM
I'll bet those could've hit our soil in 45 minutes for sure. Those must be the "stockpiles" I was promised. Oh, not to mention the fact that only Newsmax, NOT EVEN Matt Drudge seems to be all over this. This can go right up there with every other bogus/insignificant lead that conservative rags jumped on to support the war.....

Ronnie Raygun
Mar 9th, 2004, 10:31 PM
We'll see if anyone else picks it up....

If they do and it turns out to be true, I think it's a significant find that will hurt democrats and help America and it's allies.

GAsux
Mar 9th, 2004, 10:35 PM
Thank god! The boys are coming home! We found rockets! Hooray! This definitely validates Dubya's assertions that there were MASSIVE stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq that could be used to strike at the heart of America at any second. You know, the 15 year old plus bombs that had some radioactivity?

I shudder to think what might have happened had we waited another day to go to warm. God only knows how narrowly we escaped almost certain disaster.

Zhukov
Mar 9th, 2004, 10:41 PM
I'm not anti-Russian.
I didn't mean to imply that you were. Sorry.


I think it's funny that they were against the war in Iraq and now we find this.
There was a poll around the end of 2003 that stated that alot of Russians wanted the war to go ahead. Although, yes, I do realise that their leaders didn't want it to happen. Strange stuff!


Russian designed assault rifles foud in Iraq.

The discovery is not, however, considered the long-sought "smoking gun" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

AChimp
Mar 10th, 2004, 09:52 AM
THIS JUST IN!

MUSKETS AND BLACKPOWDER KEG FOUND IN IRAQI FARMER'S HOME!!!

mburbank
Mar 10th, 2004, 10:09 AM
We'll see if anyone else picks it up....

If they do and it turns out to be true, I think it's a significant find that will hurt democrats and help America and it's allies.


Huh. If they do, if it truns out to be true. You're right. Something to think about.

Kind of like the story that the US kidnapped Aristide.

Or the Weekly World News expose about the Sadam/Bin Laden gay marriage.

Or the Easter Bunny. Just think of the ramifications should major news outlets picked up the story and it turned out to be true.

Anonymouse
Mar 10th, 2004, 10:34 AM
This is great news. I hope there is a world war and everyone dies.

mesobe
Mar 10th, 2004, 11:09 AM
man who cares. using uranium in anti-aircraft and and anti-vehicle weapons is common practice. There were stories in the news during and after the first war about americans becoming sick from their own uranium tipped weapons.

Next they are going to say that Iraq is more dangerous because the weapons they do find are made of metal... simular to like how WMD are made!

Dole
Mar 10th, 2004, 11:34 AM
If they look hard enough, they would probably find UK/US made weapons components. The nations who make this shit dont give a fuck who buys it. My sis is involved in a court case where and indonesian national is suing the UK government for selling weapons to the indonesians to use against their own people.
Finding weapons built by any of the larger weapons producing nations is hardly a newsflash, is it?

Perndog
Mar 10th, 2004, 01:13 PM
Air to air missiles and air to surface missiles. In order for those to be dangerous, the Iraqis would have to be able to get planes off the ground and fly them somewhere without setting off a dozen other countries' alarms, now wouldn't they?

Worthless. If this is true and gets real press, it might cause a stir but it doesn't have any significance outside the minds of the easily influenced.

AChimp
Mar 10th, 2004, 02:27 PM
The Iraqis would have to get some planes before they started worrying about how to fly them.

mesobe
Mar 10th, 2004, 03:16 PM
I heard on the news that these very same weapons had rocket fuel in them and that they *could* possibly work if they were fired.

DamnthatDavid
Mar 10th, 2004, 03:36 PM
Redesigned to launch from the surface.

U.S. bomb experts noted the R-60 warheads are similar in design and content to a so-called "dirty bomb" that could contaminate a small area with radioactive materials

And with a few tweeks, those same missiles could be used as close range dirty bomb nukes. Western Support Countrys around the area would feel the pain.

On a side note, I'm jealous. Everywhere in the world their is a free flow of AK-47s, but do I get one for the low low price of 10 bucks? Nope! Damn.

Ronnie Raygun
Mar 10th, 2004, 03:40 PM
"This definitely validates Dubya's assertions that there were MASSIVE stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq that could be used to strike at the heart of America at any second." - GAsux

WoW! Just just pretended like Clinton and the U.N. security counsel didn't say the same exact thing. Nice going.....

mburbank
Mar 10th, 2004, 03:54 PM
Check David Kays report. The last time Clinton bombed Iraq destroyed the last remaining WMD program related activities.

That's not me saying it, it's David Kay. The most recent destruction of Iraqui weapons capabilities occured during the Clinton administration, and as far as Kay could determine, the last vestige of Iraqs weapons program was destroyed during that mission.

Bobo Adobo
Mar 10th, 2004, 04:06 PM
Russian designed assault rifles foud in Iraq.

The discovery is not, however, considered the long-sought "smoking gun" of Iraqi weapons of mass destruction.

You can find russian made assault rifles in most drug dealers closets... :rolleyes

The AK47 is the most mass produced and distributed rifle ever.

Ronnie Raygun
Mar 10th, 2004, 06:05 PM
"Check David Kays report. The last time Clinton bombed Iraq destroyed the last remaining WMD program related activities." - Max

That's funny...I didn't see that......I remember Clinton himself saying that though. Why don't you post that for us?

"That's not me saying it, it's David Kay." - Max

Since you're such a fan of David Kay why don't you also mention the fact that he said he supported the war in Iraq and that he thinks it was the right thing to do despite no WMD have been found?

mburbank
Mar 10th, 2004, 06:25 PM
You're quite right about that last bit. In fact, He's urged the Preident to admit, as he has, that he was wrong. He just thinks it was justified anyway. But see, he didn't take the country to war. 'Cause he's not the President. So his feeling that it doesn't matter that we were wrong is moot. His factual findings on the other hand (or lack there of) are not. Because he's a weapons inspector.

I will find and post the David Kay stuff on the Clinton Administrations strike on Iraq, but not tonight. I'm off to speak with the press.

Ronnie Raygun
Mar 10th, 2004, 06:39 PM
Exactly, his findings led him to believe that war was justified.

If you are going to use David Kay as a source, it's really not going to help your cause. You'll break even at best, and it will take more than "breaking even" to beat Bush.

Dole
Mar 11th, 2004, 04:22 AM
I think the only reason you have posted all these Kerry threads lately is because you are seriously scared he would win.

AChimp
Mar 11th, 2004, 08:53 AM
We Canadians are going to disguise ourselves as Americans and go south to vote for Kerry on Election Day. Just wait and see.

The government is already supplying us with baseball caps.

KevinTheOmnivore
Mar 11th, 2004, 09:36 AM
Exactly, his findings led him to believe that war was justified.

No, his findings led him to believe that the Bush administration at best mislead the American people, to the point that he has encouraged the President to publicly come clean over it.

Personally, Kay seems pleased with the outcome of the war, which is certainly a very valid, liberal stance to hold. Bush on the other hand ran as a conservative, not a nation builder, and I hope his conservative base is smart enough to see that neo-cons like you Mr. Raygun are going to drive their party into the ground.

mesobe
Mar 11th, 2004, 09:47 AM
yes. the war was very successful! Iraq now is full of chaos, a constant flow of suicide bombers and more us troops being killed even though the "war" has been over for quite some time. There is even a fucking wall around Israel.

there was no WMD and the people of Iraq are hardly liberated or safe if when everytime I turn on the TV another Iraqi police station or shrine was blown up.

Helm
Mar 11th, 2004, 10:19 AM
Yes. And go look at afghanistan. Or serbia. What have those attacks achieved in the long run?

Zhukov
Mar 11th, 2004, 11:10 AM
You can find russian made assault rifles in most drug dealers closets... :rolleyes

The AK47 is the most mass produced and distributed rifle ever.

Wha is this for? Who doesn't know? I will take it as a joke. I was insinuating things.

First of all of these air-air missiles (like AK's) are well known to be in the Iraqi arsenal, and in the arsenal of about 50 other countries around the world. Its not much of a find. It's like saying "American student finds Iraq on the map"... it's a big deal for desperate morons but not for anyone else.

Their warhead uses Depleted Uranium, as do warheads of several US air-air missiles. To use this as some sort of a WMD argument is absolutely nuts. Thats like saying M829A1 sabot rounds of US tanks are WMD becuase they are made of DU, or even better, saying a Boeing 747 is a WMD becasue it has DU ballast in its tail. EVERYONE knows Iraq had those missiles and they were perfectly legal to have.

Iraqi aircraft have fired AA-8 missiles against Iranian aircraft. I can give you pictures of them from the 70's if anybody doesn't believe me.

I'm sure saddam could have launched a massive attack on Isreal with outdated russian AA missiles. OR EVEN THE US.

Quote:
U.S. bomb experts noted the R-60 warheads are similar in design and content to a so-called "dirty bomb" that could contaminate a small area with radioactive materials

And with a few tweeks, those same missiles could be used as close range dirty bomb nukes. Western Support Countrys around the area would feel the pain.

Jesus Christ! The whole place is already contaminated! The type of damage that these "dirty bombs" could do can already bee seen on the Iraqi population and the US soldiers. From US weapons of mass destruction to be precise.

The government is already supplying us with baseball caps.Fucking hilarious :lol

Perndog
Mar 11th, 2004, 02:14 PM
Depleted uranium is not dangerously radioactive (it is dangerous because it is a heavy metal and if it gets in the air it causes uranium poisoning, same as lead poisoning), and if it is the only questionable material contained in those missiles this is an even dumber story than I thought.