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Mar 15th, 2003 10:44 PM
El Blanco
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Originally Posted by kellychaos
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Originally Posted by El Blanco
Susan Sarandon and Ed Asner are prime examples of this.
I vaguely remember Ed Asner rallying in support of that police brutality case in Philadelphia (can't remember the name ... Mamood or something like that) when he pretty much got busted in print by a reporter. Ends up Asner didn't even read the transcript to the f'n trial. What was he basing his opinion ON?!!
Him and Sarandon were trying to get a cop killer in Philly off death row. The asshole changed his name to Abdul Jamaal Mummia (or something like that)while he was on death row.

Ed Asner went on Nightline to plead his case that Mummia was set up. When Kopel asked him had he readthe trial transcript, Asner said no because it would be too long and boring and not really mean anything. How the fuck did he know whether or not Mummia got a fair trial? He didn't. And Surrandon is just as bad.

I really never give a shit what any celebrity has to say outside their own damn professions. Some actually do know what they are talking about, but the yare a minority.
Mar 15th, 2003 09:15 PM
The_Rorschach "I didn't say it was a SUCESSFUL publicity stunt ... "

Successful. Two C's, and perhaps it wasn't successful because it wasn't meant to be a publicity stunt in the first place. He sure as hell doesn't need the attention, and in a liberal friendly media, exactly what kind of appreciation do you think he would have earned?

Maybe he was just doing what, in his own confused way, he thought was right. I know its a stretch, but it's more plausible than your theory.
Mar 15th, 2003 04:10 PM
FS
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Originally Posted by Protoclown
Hey Pantitude...you DO realize that article has all the creditbility of, well, something that has no credibility, right?
If you read the article, despite its suggestive wording, you can see Janeane's words were rather harmless as well. I suspect the line "It wasn't hip" was sarcasm, too.
Mar 15th, 2003 02:21 PM
kellychaos
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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
Boy, and look at all the publicity. You sure hit THAT one on the head.
I didn't say it was a SUCESSFUL publicity stunt ... merely that Willis is an idiot. Did that clear it up for you?
Mar 15th, 2003 01:53 PM
Protoclown
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Originally Posted by HNICPantitude
Janeane Garofalo:

Explaining why she and other anti-war protesters didn't organize demonstrations when President Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan

"It wasn't very hip" [to protest Clinton's Wars].

Source: http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecov...03/2/23/151110

Brilliant..... simply brilliant.
Hey Pantitude...you DO realize that article has all the creditbility of, well, something that has no credibility, right?
Mar 15th, 2003 01:50 PM
The_Rorschach Boy, and look at all the publicity. You sure hit THAT one on the head.
Mar 15th, 2003 12:17 PM
kellychaos
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Originally Posted by The_Rorschach
Ironically, Bruce Willis actually did try to enlist just a short time ago, and when told he was too old, he made a pitiful attempt (political saaviness of zero) to pull some strings.

Some people really do have the courage to stand firmly behind their convictions.
I would assume he knew that going in. It probably was a publicity stunt. :/
Mar 15th, 2003 07:08 AM
FS Did Pantitude just post his very first Newsmax article? I'll get the cake and candles!

The US should construct a secret army of celebrities. They could give out autographs with pens that release a powerful nerve toxin.
Mar 14th, 2003 04:41 PM
Skulhedface
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Well Skull, you are obviously a cowardly bit of scuttling vomit, but that doesn't mean everyone else is a well.
I never said I WOULDN'T go. If I was called upon, I'll go. I legally have to anyway, right? But to get serious for a moment, we all know that if Bruce Willis does join the Army, and he goes and gets killed in Iraq, no problem, he's got MORE than enough money, and Demi Moore does as well, that his children have nothing to worry about, save admittedly losing their father.

On the other hand, my mother and my sister rely on me to a point. I moved out but they still can't do too well for themselves (She has heart problems that hamper her from working full time and making livable wages) and my sister is only 16, she;s working her ass off to make sure she gets into a good college so she doesn't need the added stress of being required to get a job. So that leaves me. She can more or less cover her bills but she needs help getting groceries. Which is where I come in. I make more than enough to keep myself fed and sheltered without making an insane amount of money, but no one else helps them. She can't apply for disability because they'd actually be getting LESS money, and if something were to happen to ME, my whole immediate family suffers and not just because I die.

Do you see my point now? Of course, if I could go overseas and KNOW I would come back alive, it wouldn't be a huge deal (save that my mom and sister might go a little hungry while I'm gone).

I'm not trying to make this into a sob story or pity story, I just think that you can't call me a coward without justification, and I'm showing you that there is no basis of justification in calling me a coward. Quite actually, I think I'd be a coward if I WASN'T helping my family out when needed. So save your harsh words for someone who is anti-war simply because they ARE cowardish.
Mar 14th, 2003 04:40 PM
Anonymous Janeane Garofalo:

Explaining why she and other anti-war protesters didn't organize demonstrations when President Clinton launched attacks on Iraq, Bosnia, Afghanistan and the Sudan

"It wasn't very hip" [to protest Clinton's Wars].

Source: http://www.newsmax.com/showinsidecov...03/2/23/151110

Brilliant..... simply brilliant.
Mar 14th, 2003 04:15 PM
kellychaos
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Originally Posted by El Blanco
Susan Sarandon and Ed Asner are prime examples of this.
I vaguely remember Ed Asner rallying in support of that police brutality case in Philadelphia (can't remember the name ... Mamood or something like that) when he pretty much got busted in print by a reporter. Ends up Asner didn't even read the transcript to the f'n trial. What was he basing his opinion ON?!!
Mar 14th, 2003 01:24 PM
The_Rorschach Well Skull, you are obviously a cowardly bit of scuttling vomit, but that doesn't mean everyone else is a well.

Ironically, Bruce Willis actually did try to enlist just a short time ago, and when told he was too old, he made a pitiful attempt (political saaviness of zero) to pull some strings.

Some people really do have the courage to stand firmly behind their convictions.
Mar 14th, 2003 08:15 AM
theapportioner Actually, I was responding to El Blanco. Sorry.
Mar 14th, 2003 05:20 AM
Skulhedface I can only imagine celebrities would be pro-war because the closest THEY would get to the battlefield is a USO show.

Let THEM go out there and kill some Iraqis. God knows if THEY die, THEIR families are more than provided for.
Mar 14th, 2003 03:34 AM
The_Rorschach No, actually I don't think so. Alot of celebrities are for the war, like Bruce Willis, and they are just as full of shit.

About the only one with something intellegent to say is Tim Robbins, and only because he sounds like he's been listening to Burbank on Halliburton.
Mar 14th, 2003 01:58 AM
theapportioner Problem is, most of them don't know jack shit about what they are doing.

You'd be singing a different tune if the celebs were gung-ho about war!!
Mar 14th, 2003 01:53 AM
Skulhedface In the end, it'd be a lot easier to swallow a celebrity's point of view in this case:

THE SCENARIO: A celebrity takes up the cause for feeding the world's starving children.

THE REALITY: They claim that they care about the plight of these children SO BADLY that they MUST get on TV and downright GUILT you into sending a LOW LOW payment per month to feed these starving children.

THE WAY IT SHOULD BE (A.K.A. THE WAY I'D ACTUALLY SWALLOW THE STEAMING PILE THEY ARE TRYING TO THROW MY WAY):
The celebrity does NOT bring such a thing up UNLESS PROMPTED, and when he/she does, instead of pandering on TV to the masses using guilt trips (which they must be immune to, otherwise you think they would...read the rest of my comment) THEY WOULD GIVE THE MONEY UP THEMSELVES! I think Arnold Schwarzenegger alone makes enough money per movie that if he donated even 20% of his salary, he could feed HALF OF AFRICA! What can a kid do on 20% of MY paycheck, buy a few TV dinners?!? (I make more than that but I don't feel like doing the math at midnight)

If celebrities would actually BE self righteous instead of posing under the pretenses, I think celebrity status would actually mean something. Until then, I understand why less and less people buy into it.

::whew!:: Sorry if I strayed a little offtopic, but it does relate.
Mar 13th, 2003 09:39 PM
The_Rorschach Captions are for the other forum
Mar 13th, 2003 09:22 PM
El Blanco Now I am waiting for her to write a song called "F l_l C l< i l\l G C/-\ l\/l P I l\l G newbie!!!1111"


better yet:

People who need plasma rifles are the campingest people on the server
Mar 13th, 2003 08:58 PM
The_Rorschach

Barbara Streisand has a team working around the clock researching her political opinions, yet sadly, she still manages to fuck it up anyway. . .
Mar 13th, 2003 08:48 PM
Protoclown Well, obviously if the artist doesn't know fuck all about the topic in question, they're not going to be taken seriously.

I still think there are a lot of political bands out there, to name one example, that have messages that are VERY much worth being heard, and they take the time to research the shit and know what they're talking about.
Mar 13th, 2003 08:39 PM
El Blanco
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Artists are in a powerful position, they can lead the people by example, and if their message is worth being heard, it will be, and it SHOULD be.
Problem is, most of them don't know jack shit about what they are doing. Susan Sarandon and Ed Asner are prime examples of this. They are using these causes of the week to further their own stagnant careers.

Honestly, what purpose did Penn's trip to Iraq serve? What was he qualified to do? Did he bring home any new revelations?

Chris made better movies anyway.
Mar 13th, 2003 08:39 PM
Protoclown Yes, and those messages fall neatly into the "not worth hearing" category.

Hey, if Fiona Apple wants to talk about how we should all be pasty frail vegans, more power to her. I disagree with her. But I still enjoy her music.
Mar 13th, 2003 08:19 PM
Skulhedface
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Originally Posted by Protoclown
Personally, I have NO problem with people using celebrity status to get their message across to a large body of people.

Perhaps not so much with actors, but with musicians and writers and similar creative arts, I personally feel that they almost have a RESPONSIBILITY to communicate some kind of message. Don't you prefer music that makes some kind of statement to empty bubblegum lyrics?

Artists are in a powerful position, they can lead the people by example, and if their message is worth being heard, it will be, and it SHOULD be.
Yes, until they start shoving Scientology and yoga in our asses. Oh yes, and who can forget not eating?
Mar 13th, 2003 08:11 PM
Protoclown Personally, I have NO problem with people using celebrity status to get their message across to a large body of people.

Perhaps not so much with actors, but with musicians and writers and similar creative arts, I personally feel that they almost have a RESPONSIBILITY to communicate some kind of message. Don't you prefer music that makes some kind of statement to empty bubblegum lyrics?

Artists are in a powerful position, they can lead the people by example, and if their message is worth being heard, it will be, and it SHOULD be.
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