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Jun 5th, 2008 05:27 PM
Tadao It may have, but I can only go by what I observe in my lifetime.
Jun 5th, 2008 06:58 AM
Geggy i still stand by my theory that the quest or at least the planning for domination started after ww2 and during operation paperclip.
Jun 5th, 2008 04:19 AM
Tadao My theory is that our country got out of control when the USSR was no longer a real threat. We where freed up to take on other hobbies like arming Gorillas to case chaos in other countries so that we can come in and "help". Our "help" costs though. We never actually leave the country from that point on. This path of global domination started with Reagan and every president (including Clinton) and helped us along this path of evil.

So really I guess I'm saying that we have to stop fucking worrying about what fucking Bush and his god dam cronies did and start thinking about what our government is doing now and what they are planning on doing tomorrow.
Jun 4th, 2008 10:26 PM
pac-man
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America started the war, not Bush. Come on guys, one man does not control the will of the country.
You're absolutely right, Tadao, but I believe that he and others in his cabinet ignored facts and spun others to guide America's collective mind toward war. I think that these same individuals were wringing their hands at the prospective profits that private organizations they are tied too stood to make. And in the wake of 9/11, instead of seeing opportunity for the country, Bush and his good ol' boys saw opportunity for themselves/their agenda.

Is his conscience clear? Well, that's for him to live with. In front of the cameras he is flippant, curt, cocky, and does not carry himself like someone who cares or is even aware of the consequences of his decisions. Sounds like a stereotypical CEO to me. And that's what Dubya is, a poor businessman who has been moonlighting as a public servant for almost 2 decades. It's a shame he was able to schmaltz old people, Bible thumpers and 2nd Amendment fanatics, but that's all he has done. The popular vote showed in 2000 that the majority of Americans didn't find him to be a fit chief executive, and he's spent the last 8 years proving that that majority was right.
Jun 4th, 2008 01:49 PM
Tadao America started the war, not Bush. Come on guys, one man does not control the will of the country.
Jun 4th, 2008 01:37 PM
Geggy T-rex,

Would you be able to live with yourself if you had started a war that you knew were based on false information? Unless you were making lucrative profit from a war, that would probably clear the guilt in your conscious, am i right.
Jun 4th, 2008 09:59 AM
T-Rex Solved.
Jun 4th, 2008 09:42 AM
pac-man
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just because he wasn't miserable doesn't mean he doesn't care necessarily
The fact that he doesn't care means he doesn't care.
Jun 4th, 2008 08:14 AM
T-Rex I get what you're saying, but just because he wasn't miserable doesn't mean he doesn't care necessarily. I'm not a fan of the man but, in his defence, I think it's a little out of context. Especially the Michael Moore reference. Sure, his documentary had valid points, but it was biased. It's easy to interperate things from somebody like the president to mean pretty much anything. He's in the public eye so much, you could take footage of him and make him look evil, great, intelligent or as many do, like a dumbass. I remember the day of the 2001 attack, I had a nice evening but it didn't mean that I didn't care about what had happened to other people. You could argue that I'm too far away from it being in England, but the same thing happened when London was attacked. People were definately concerned but it didn't stop anyone from being generally happy. It was more of a shock to us because things like that just don't happen. It happens to poor countries, not us.
Jun 4th, 2008 07:34 AM
Geggy
helter skelter author, Vincent Bugliosi's new book



http://www.prosecutionofbush.com/

My favorite part of the website

Bush's Reaction to War
By Vincent Bugliosi

How has George Bush reacted to the hell he created in Iraq, to the thousands of lives that have been lost in the war, and to the enormous and endless suffering that the survivors of the victims -- their loved ones -- have had to endure?

I've always felt that impressions are very important in life, and other than "first impressions," they are usually right. Why? Because impressions, we know, are formed over a period of time. They are the accumulation of many words and incidents, many or most of which one has forgotten, but which are nonetheless assimilated into the observer's subconscious and thus make their mark. In other words, you forgot the incident, but it added to the impression. "How do you feel about David? Do you feel he's an honest person?" "Yeah, I do." "Why do you say that about him? Can you give me any examples that would cause you to say he's honest?" "No, not really, at least not off the top of my head. But I've known David for over ten years, and my sense is that he's an honest person."

I have a very distinct impression that with the exception of a vagrant tear that may have fallen if he was swept up, in the moment, at an emotional public ceremony for American soldiers who have died in the war, George Bush hasn't suffered at all over the monumental suffering, death, and horror he has caused by plunging this nation into the darkness of the Iraq war, probably never losing a wink of sleep over it. Sure, we often hear from Bush administration sources, or his family, or from Bush himself, about how much he suffers over the loss of American lives in Iraq. But that dog won't run. How do we just about know this is nonsense? Not only because the words he has uttered could never have escaped from his lips if he were suffering, but because no matter how many American soldiers have died on a given day in Iraq (averaging well over two every day), he is always seen with a big smile on his face that same day or the next, and is in good spirits. How would that be possible if he was suffering? For example, the November 3, 2003, morning New York Times front-page headline story was that the previous day in Fallouja, Iraq, insurgents "shot down an American helicopter just outside the city in a bold assault that killed 16 soldiers and wounded 20 others. It was the deadliest attack on American troops since the United States invaded Iraq in March." Yet later in that same day when Bush arrived for a fund-raiser in Birmingham, Alabama, he was smiling broadly, and Mike Allen of the Washington Post wrote that "the President appeared to be in a fabulous mood." This is merely one of hundreds of such observations made about Bush while the brutal war continued in Iraq.

And even when Bush is off camera, we have consistently heard from those who have observed him up close how much he seems to be enjoying himself. When Bush gave up his miles of running several times a week because of knee problems, he took up biking. "He's turned into a bike maniac," said Mark McKinnon in March of 2005, right in the middle of the war. McKinnon, a biking friend of Bush's who was Bush's chief media strategist in his 2004 reelection campaign, also told the New York Times's Elisabeth Bumiller about Bush: "He's as calm and relaxed and confident and happy as I've ever seen him." Happy? Under the horrible circumstances of the war, where Bush's own soldiers are dying violent deaths, how is that even possible?

In a time of war and suffering, Bush's smiles, joking, and good spirits stand in stark contrast to the demeanor of everyone of his predecessors and couldn't possibly be more inappropriate. Michael Moore, in his motion picture documentary Fahrenheit 9/11, captured this fact and the superficiality of Bush well with a snippet from a TV interview Bush gave on the golf course following a recent terrorist attack. Bush said, "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers. Thank you." Then, without missing a single beat, he said in reference to a golf shot he was about to hit: "Now watch this drive."

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