Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

What worries me more, are cases like the one in Germany where someone got convicted of a year in jail for printing toilet paper with the word "Koran" on it, that he offered for sale to mosques.

Originally Posted by Abcdxxxx

Keep in mind it took over 20 years for this guy to be convicted. You have to really be working at. When Holocaust denial becomes your life, then the Government there starts to take a self-interest in proving they're never gonna let that happen again. It's not a free speech issue, it's a hyper sensitive country trying to save face in the eyes of a world community that rides their ass anytime anything vaguely sympathetic comes about.

Originally Posted by Dole

Its..its like you've known me all my life!

Okey doke, here a few choice little tidbits about Irving to start with:

This poem he wrote for his daughter came to light in the libel court case he fought unsuccessfully againt a journalist who accused him of holocaust denial:

"in a 1994 diary entry, Irving wrote about a ditty he composed for his young daughter "when halfbreed children are wheeled past":

I am a Baby Aryan
Not Jewish or Sectarian
I have no plans to marry an
Ape or Rastafarian."


This quote from Irving is from an interview with the Guardian:

"The Jewish élite in America is filling the same positions they held in the Weimar republic during the 1920s and 1930s - controlling the big banks, the film business, media, and the like. The Jews disproportionately held all these big positions in Germany. It's a mirror image in the US. And it will evoke howls of rage from the ordinary citizens who are kept out of the power élite.'


Another part of the same interview:
"And he does not back away from some of the extreme statements and acts attributed to him, although he often tries to deflect their importance by casting it as prankish humour. Yes, there were swizzle sticks adorned with little swastikas at his 1991 book party, but 'those were really nothing more than copies of Hitler's personal standard that my publisher had made up for the launch of my book.' (The late Alan Clark was according to Irving, 'a great admirer of Hitler. He sat in that very chair that you are in right before my party started and told me in depth about his admiration for Hitler.') "


More from that libel case:

Prominent British historian Sir John Keegan wrote in 1996 in his book The Battle for History, "Some controversies are entirely bogus, like David Irving's contention that Hitler's subordinates kept from him the facts of the Final Solution, the extermination of the Jews…" During the libel trial, Keegan - who had been subpoenaed by Irving to appear as a witness - lambasted Irving by saying: "I continue to think it perverse of you to propose that Hitler could not have known until as late as October 1943 what was going on with the Jewish people" and, when asked if it was perverse to say that Hitler did not know about the Final Solution, answered "that it defies common sense".

There is plenty more where this came from if you want it....the guy is just an out-and-out Hitler-loving racist, who has always attempted to rationalise his paranoiac hatred and prejudice under the veneer of respectable historical research. And only with the threat of prison, after 40 years of spouting this crap does he say 'Oh hang on...turns out I was wrong all along!". Fuck him.