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Mar 31st, 2007 03:50 PM
Sethomas That's a perversion of an urban legend about Sumo Wrestlers doing the same thing, which was perpetuated by one of the James Bond novels or something.
Mar 31st, 2007 10:07 AM
arg_zombies My science teacher told me that the Spartans, beause they didn't wear much armour, developed a way of being able to suck their testicles back into their bodies during battle, so the enemy didn't have an obvious target to go for
Mar 31st, 2007 02:35 AM
ArrowX the spartans (and several other greek states) didn't have an issued weapon and armor, everyone had to buy their own crap and keep it maintained themselves, I though they had this going on and there would be guys with cool custom shields and stuff.
Mar 31st, 2007 02:09 AM
Big Papa Goat
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Originally Posted by theapportioner View Post
First of all, the movie sucks as "art". But that's beside the point.

This is not a literal retelling of Herodotus, but Frank Miller's worldview.
Are you saying Herodotus wasn't racist? I dunno, maybe, but most of those ancient greeks were pretty anti-persian. Ever read the Persian Expedition? The point is is that the ancient Greeks saw themselves as valuing freedom and reason and piety and so forth better than the rest of the world. Furthermore, they saw their freedom and reason and piety and so forth as being the sources of their military success. (One of the things I didn't like about the movie that was applying contemporary worldviews on to the story was the contempt for religion by most of the Greek protaganists.) But ya, basically, that's the way people all the time everywhere act and think if you look at history, (the Persians were themselves not especially tolerant back in that day either, and hey, they're still pretty intolerant today!) basically up until the last couple decades when brilliant people like the apportioner came along and realized that all these myths were just racist justifications for power and so forth. But I think such people should let the atavists have their fun once in a while, I mean, human beings have been acting and thinking like this since forever, you can't expect them all to give it up just because you read some book about post-colonialism.
Mar 30th, 2007 05:02 PM
Schimid Spectre, that's a really good observation, I didn't even think about that. Whether it was the director's intention or not I'm unsure but, damn, it's a very nice cover.

The blade-armed guy was probably was how they envisioned the executions, and the mutant feller prolly wasn't nearly as mutated, Xerxes prolly wasn't twelve-foot tall, etc. That really does put things into perspective :O
Mar 30th, 2007 04:06 PM
arg_zombies Oh, and just for the record, this version kicked ass!


bad acting, shit sets (some are paintings) and loads of really stupid lines! Woo!
Mar 30th, 2007 04:03 PM
arg_zombies No - if you looked closely you could see there was all stitches etc. on his arms holding them on
Mar 30th, 2007 04:00 PM
noob3 YEAH I HAVE A FRIEND WHO FUCKED HIS SISTER NOW HIS BABY SON HAS RAZORS FOR ARMS
Mar 30th, 2007 03:58 PM
arg_zombies Oh, my brother just pointed out that the excessive use of mutants could of been due to the excessive amount of inbreeding they did back then
Mar 30th, 2007 03:02 PM
noob3 That makes ALOT of sense, Spectre! It also makes sense why the 1 Immortal who had his mask taken off looked like a mutant, he probably never saw any of their faces & he just assumed they had to be mutants under those helmets. Because they were so scary or something, he just imagined that's what they had to be under the armor :o

I forgot that the 1 spartan sent back to greece was the narrator, I didn't even think about that after I left the theatres!

I think you people pick movies like this apart for no reason.. It's like watching BAD BOYS 2 and claiming it's UNREALISTIC & STUPID :o
Mar 30th, 2007 01:56 PM
arg_zombies
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Originally Posted by Spectre X View Post
The movie is full of ridiculous things because it's a god damned story being told by a Spartan soldier in order to rally the rest of Greece to fight Xerxes. It's not meant to be racist. The movie does not claim to be historically accurate in any way beyond "These 300 guys fought an invading army of Persians for 3 days and beat the shit out of thousands of them. Also here are some names of some guys who fought there."

That's it. Everything else is the obvious dramatic license of a Spartan soldier.

And it has no political meaning. At least, the director didn't intend for it to have any political meaning. He has publicly stated this numerous times.
Thank You!
Mar 30th, 2007 09:53 AM
Spectre X The movie is full of ridiculous things because it's a god damned story being told by a Spartan soldier in order to rally the rest of Greece to fight Xerxes. It's not meant to be racist. The movie does not claim to be historically accurate in any way beyond "These 300 guys fought an invading army of Persians for 3 days and beat the shit out of thousands of them. Also here are some names of some guys who fought there."

That's it. Everything else is the obvious dramatic license of a Spartan soldier.

And it has no political meaning. At least, the director didn't intend for it to have any political meaning. He has publicly stated this numerous times.
Mar 28th, 2007 12:29 PM
arg_zombies Yeah

have you seen the original? They wear armor in that one.
Mar 28th, 2007 09:09 AM
ArrowX lol Ive seen it like 4 times now, via internet and the script basically repeats itself both in the narration, and in the action. The first thing I noticed is that the Spartans are portrayed as pissed off strippers. You know because Frank miller loves the buttsecks and he cant jerk to men in 40-50 pound armor. I heard someone walk out of the theater saying "Its cool that they didn't have any armor back then." It was WAR not the fucking Olympics.

I still think its one of the best directed, and stylized movies in recent times even if the source material and the script shits itself out of its own penis.
Mar 27th, 2007 04:29 PM
Zomboid
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Originally Posted by MattJack View Post
Zomboid I didn't read yer post. LAST WORD NANANANANANAAAAAAAA
I have the last word and it's "yalls got butthurt cause I called you a dumb fuck".

:D
Mar 27th, 2007 04:08 PM
GADZOOKS Madness? THIS IS STUPID!
Mar 27th, 2007 03:56 PM
arg_zombies
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Originally Posted by Mr. Vagiclean View Post
GOD this argument is so boring and TEDIOUS that i am going to MENTION IT TO YOU ALL, as you can see! you fucking ponce the movie sucked and you know it but you just fight fight fight against the dying of light until you just don't CARE anymore enough, you tell me you don't.

FUCKIN PONCE




PONCE
I'm sorry - did I miss something here? I DON'T like the movie now? The very same movie I'm getting on DVD the minute it is out? Oh, I wasn't aware.

Ponce? Is that your only insult? I hope this is a piss-take because I seriously hope you don't talk like that normally.
Mar 27th, 2007 03:54 PM
Mr. Vagiclean GOD this argument is so boring and TEDIOUS that i am going to MENTION IT TO YOU ALL, as you can see! you fucking ponce the movie sucked and you know it but you just fight fight fight against the dying of light until you just don't CARE anymore enough, you tell me you don't.

FUCKIN PONCE




PONCE
Mar 27th, 2007 02:05 PM
arg_zombies God this argument is tedious and boring.
Mar 27th, 2007 01:58 PM
Esuohlim
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Originally Posted by kon View Post
300 isn't racist, that's what so insane about this.
Mar 27th, 2007 01:14 PM
arg_zombies Mate, i know you're trying to delve deeper into the 'mind of miller', but believe me, there is nothing so serious and outrageous to find. He is a talented artist, and many people like his style. When he creates a film, not even he would be stupid enough to put subliminal 'racist' messages and meanings, that'd just be a complete retard thing to do.
Anything you look at can be psychoo-analyzed to a greater extent, but that doesn't mean that the 'message' you picked on is meant to be there.

The America reference is completely relevant. I was saying how in every American film, America is shown as the 'Hero', whilst in most cases they arte the opposite. It is the same in this film - it is meant to be on the greek side, showing how they saw the Persians as monsters and evil beasts, if the film showed them as normal they'd be too alike the Greeks, so would lose the 'knight vs. dragon' aspect to it.

Sort out your head.
Mar 27th, 2007 01:11 PM
Mr. Vagiclean LOOOOOOOOOO seriously fuck this movie UGH UGH god
Mar 27th, 2007 01:10 PM
Mr. Vagiclean even if i tried my darn hardest to take this as a "highly-stylized action packed cool fighting/dying sparta sparta bruhaha don't take this seriously guys it's JUST an action flick what do you expect the Last Samurai?" flick, i sensed no attempt at immersing the audience to it as a work of fantasy. what i saw was frank miller's dick all over the silver screen for a hour and some minutes with people walking out ready to do their ab workouts because they were inspired by a horse junk of a storyline with laughably milked portrayal of honor at expense of dumbed-down portrayal of spartans' enemies, which is supposedly justified by miller's "artistic license". BOOOOOOOOOOOO
Mar 27th, 2007 06:42 AM
MattJack Zomboid I didn't read yer post. LAST WORD NANANANANANAAAAAAAA
Mar 27th, 2007 06:29 AM
HickMan Hooray Beer!
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