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Dec 22nd, 2009 01:12 PM
Dimnos Hey. Do you guys in Sweden shove frozen piss through mail slots like they do in Finland?
Dec 15th, 2009 01:00 PM
The Leader So it was good for you too, BC?
Dec 15th, 2009 08:20 AM
Zhukov
Dec 15th, 2009 01:47 AM
Blasted Child The Leader, It must be dear memory to you, the day you got to examine a Swede's scrotum
Dec 14th, 2009 04:55 PM
The Leader Nope, it's too cold. They just shrivel up like a Swede's scrotum.
Dec 14th, 2009 04:54 PM
Dimnos They dont have apples in Sweden?
Dec 14th, 2009 04:54 PM
Tadao You have to put it in Death Metal terms nowadays.
Dec 14th, 2009 04:49 PM
The Leader He's Swedish, Dimnos.
Dec 14th, 2009 01:55 PM
Dimnos Ever heard the term "A few bad apples spoils the bunch"?
Dec 13th, 2009 04:38 PM
Blasted Child Obviously, I know that there exist people who abuse the system, I'm a not a complete idiot.
I meant that the attitude towards an individual benefit seeker shouldn't be that he's a potential con artist.
At the moment in Sweden there is a growing tendency to disbelieve just about everyone who is on a long term sick leave, and our government is about to cancel proper support for tens of thousands of seriously ill people.

I think we're moving in the wrong direction.

Also, I think the numbers relating to these insurance scams are a bit misguiding. How big a problem is this really? How big an amount of money is this compared to corruption, bonus-systems, corporate crime etc etc. How dangerous is it to our society that some people abuse the system, compared to letting poor people suffer because they can't afford the health care?
Has a nation ever fallen due to sheer lack of work force, due to labourers pretending to be sick when they aren't?
I think we're blowing this out of proportions.
Dec 13th, 2009 04:21 PM
kahljorn Isn't, "Everyone does not abuse the welfare system" just as stupidly generalized?
Dec 13th, 2009 11:18 AM
Zhukov I don't really see the problem in not assuming something as stupidly generalised as "everyone abuses the system".
Dec 13th, 2009 09:35 AM
Ant10708 I thought your argument was not to assume that people abuse the social benefit system.
Dec 13th, 2009 06:37 AM
Blasted Child Ant, if that is aimed at me, which I guess it is considering you took the time to google up something Sweden-related, is it meant to prove anything? That the Swedish social insurance agency can make mistakes? That it's not perfect?
You could have asked me; I'm well aware of its shortcomings.

Since you're playing the copy and paste game, here's from wikipedia:
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The US pays twice as much yet lags behind other wealthy nations in such measures as infant mortality and life expectancy. Currently the U.S. has a higher infant mortality rate than most of the world's industrialized nations.[nb 1][12] The USA's life expectancy lags 42nd in the world, after most rich nations, lagging last of the G5 (Japan, France, Germany, UK, USA) and just after Chile (35th) and Cuba (37th).[13][14][15] The USA's life expectancy is ranked 50th in the world after the European Union (40th).[16][17] The World Health Organization (WHO), in 2000, ranked the U.S. health care system as the highest in cost, first in responsiveness, 37th in overall performance, and 72nd by overall level of health (among 191 member nations included in the study).[18][19] A 2008 report by the Commonwealth Fund ranked the United States last in the quality of health care among the 19 compared countries.[20] According to the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of Sciences, the United States is the "only wealthy, industrialized nation that does not ensure that all citizens have coverage" (i.e. some kind of insurance).[21][22] The same Institute of Medicine report notes that "Lack of health insurance causes roughly 18,000 unnecessary deaths every year in the United States." [21] while a 2009 Harvard study published in the American Journal of Public Health found a much higher figure of more than 44,800 excess deaths annually in the United States due to Americans lacking health insurance.[23][24] More broadly, the total number of people in the United States, whether insured or uninsured, who die because of lack of medical care was estimated in a 1997 analysis to be nearly 100,000 per year.[25]
Dec 12th, 2009 09:41 PM
Ant10708
Around 20 billion kronor in welfare benefits are wrongly paid out by government agencies every year, according to a new study.
The report, by a committee drawn from various public authorities, says that 10 billion kronor a year is paid out to people who are knowingly cheating the system.
Mistakes by benefit claimants account for 6 billion kronor, with the remaining overpayments due to failures by the public authority issuing the benefits.


wheel chair bound in sweden

Dec 12th, 2009 09:34 PM
Ant10708 A Swedish man who claimed to be wheelchair bound has been asked to repay millions of kronor in social insurance benefits after authorities obtained a picture of a him dancing with a life-sized rabbit.

The 33-year-old man from Halmstad in western Sweden had claimed for years that he was bound to a wheelchair and as a result qualified for public assistance in the form of payments made to “people in his immediate environment” who helped him with daily tasks.

While the doctor who originally examined the man didn't find any reason as to why the man couldn't walk, the doctor nevertheless accepted the man's claims.

Between November 1st, 2005 and January 31st, 2009, the Social Insurance Agency (Försäkringskassan) paid the man a total of 3,001,741 kronor ($400,000) in benefits.

Dec 5th, 2009 11:32 PM
Lord Lonic Men are safe
Dec 5th, 2009 11:21 PM
The Leader Well, what about men? I know that a lot of doctors are women these days but I imagine most of the people performing the operation would be men.
Dec 5th, 2009 10:48 PM
Lord Lonic Abortion is wrong and should be considered murder. A woman should get life in prison for killing a fucking baby.
Dec 3rd, 2009 01:43 AM
kahljorn
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I mean don't assume that everyone is a lazy moocher when in fact they may want to work but can't, due to a number of illnesses or whatever. I think when the general attitude towards recipients of benefits is that they probably don't deserve them is when the climate of a society is taking a turn for the worse.
For the first part, I'm sure a percentage of the persons who are receiving benefits are capable of working or providing for themselves but receive benefits instead. My point is that this percentage of persons could increase if things i mentioned earlier happened.
For the second part, why would you think that?
Dec 2nd, 2009 09:23 PM
Zhukov
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Oh thank you for enlightening me, minion of Kahl, I shall return to my drawing board and formulate such an argument, which I will give to you so that you can show it to him. Please tell his highness that he might have to wait a while - arguments against stoning sick people to death don't exactly formulate themselves.
Hey, I was just letting you know. Plus, I don't see why it's all of a sudden not worthy of discussion; if you are passionate enough about it and someone wants to know what you think, then I would say that's a perfectly good reason to debate.
Dec 2nd, 2009 05:27 PM
kahljorn Zhukov please forward blasted child's last two responses to my private message folder thank you.
Dec 2nd, 2009 12:21 PM
Blasted Child Oh thank you for enlightening me, minion of Kahl, I shall return to my drawing board and formulate such an argument, which I will give to you so that you can show it to him. Please tell his highness that he might have to wait a while - arguments against stoning sick people to death don't exactly formulate themselves.
Dec 2nd, 2009 08:31 AM
Zhukov Kahl doesn't actually believe that killing is ever the right thing to do by the way; he just wants you to formulate an argument against it.
Dec 2nd, 2009 04:08 AM
Blasted Child Who threw that rock!!?

Kahljorn, yes I absolutely agree that that's the crux of the matter. With "generous" I don't really mean make everybody rich even if they do nothing; I mean don't assume that everyone is a lazy moocher when in fact they may want to work but can't, due to a number of illnesses or whatever. I think when the general attitude towards recipients of benefits is that they probably don't deserve them is when the climate of a society is taking a turn for the worse. This is probably more a matter of philosophy rather than practice.

I've never been in a situation where I haven't worked (I'm a teacher by the way) and I'm very confident that even in the direst of times I'd probably find something gainful to do with my time, as long as I'm healthy. But I know of people who really can't work, but who'd love to if they could, and who are in the process of being able to work thanks to rather extensive programmes which are probably costly in the eyes of a tax payer. One thing I do know is that they would give up the prospect of working if the government accused them of cheating and instead left them to their own devices.

I'm very interested in these questions and would love to hear more suggestions, as long as they steer clear from stoning, at least for a little while
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