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| Mar 31st, 2005 09:24 PM | |||||
| whoreable |
some third party cards do use slower memory and some 9800s have the 128bit bus instead of 256. As long as the speeds are the same as the retail you should face too many issues. Generally the thrid party cards are just as good- all things being equal of course. |
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| Mar 31st, 2005 06:13 PM | |||||
| ziggytrix | I'll respectfully disagree with the name brand vs generic argument, but I can't really prove that they're using cheaper RAM modules or whatever. | ||||
| Mar 31st, 2005 05:56 PM | |||||
| MetalMilitia |
The card will almost certainly come with an adaptor. When comparing a 9800pro VS 9600XT there is really no contest... http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/117/8/ Lots of benchmarks to be seen there and all show more or less the same thing; 9800pro >= 9600XT. As for the made my ATI vs 3rd part manufacturers there is really no difference. The cards are always essentially the same but often have varying cooling solutions. Sometimes 3rd party manufacturers provide a better HSF but its always good to read a review first and make sure that its not worse than the default one. Some companies such as Gainward provide additonal functionality in their cards, for example they marketed a watercooled 5900U a while ago. Their cards commonly have higher clocked memory/core but at a slightly higher price point. |
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| Mar 31st, 2005 03:54 PM | |||||
| ziggytrix | Well, MM has a dual monitor setup, and says he has basically the same card, so I'd trust him if he said it works, you'll just have to buy a little adaptor for your second monitor, assuming it uses a "regular" monitor cable. | ||||
| Mar 31st, 2005 03:34 PM | |||||
| Rongi |
great now i dont know WHAT to get  i wont cry over not being able to do dual monitors. it's more of luxory than a neccesity to me. |
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| Mar 31st, 2005 11:57 AM | |||||
| ziggytrix |
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vs. Chipset/Core Speed: ATI RADEON 9600XT/525MHz That's the GPU clock speed. But I don't know enough about graphics to say that this clock speed really matters. I'm glad you pointed out the difference in memory buses tho. The 9600 only has a 128 bit memory bus, so if I understand correctly, it can process 128 bits faster than the 9800 can process 256 bits. Since it's not at least twice as fast, then the 9800 actually has the higher throughput by a little bit. Quote:
Also, I don't know enough about the brands, but getting an actual ATI card vs. a knock-off makes a difference. I know I haven't been thrilled with my Chaintech card, and wish I'd spend the 40 extra bucks to get a more recognized brand. If Saphire has a good rep tho, I'd prolly change my recommendation to that. |
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| Mar 31st, 2005 10:53 AM | |||||
| ArrowX |
What Processor are you Running? I have an overclocked PII i should really look into updaterin 20BG HDD 56xMAX cd drive (I shit you not) I don't quite remember the make but it runs on the Ragefury pro chipset. If I had a time machine my comp would be god 
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| Mar 31st, 2005 10:38 AM | |||||
| whoreable | I agree. The only thing I would be concerned about is how much power the 9800 takes, then again changing out a power supply is quick and easy! | ||||
| Mar 31st, 2005 10:30 AM | |||||
| MetalMilitia |
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I have almost exactly the same card (but made by Connect3D) and would highly recomend it. |
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| Mar 31st, 2005 09:25 AM | |||||
| ziggytrix |
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There's a few problems. He won't be able to fully utilize the card since, as Willie mentioned, he's only got a 4X AGP slot. Second, the core speed on the Sapphire is about 140MHz slower. Third, I don't see anything that indicates dual head support on there, but then again, I'm not sure how important using two monitors was to Rongi. |
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| Mar 30th, 2005 11:08 PM | |||||
| executioneer | but what if the power supply explodes and you ruin your cousins brand new motherboard and processor and video card | ||||
| Mar 30th, 2005 10:59 PM | |||||
| Alive |
Yeah it should step down to 4x. most are backwards compatable like certain ram is. building your own is usualy your best bet for getting more out of it. i go to the monthly computer show in my area and im always picking up killer deals. 600 bucks spent in the right place can yeild one kick ass system. nothing like what you would get out of the box. dont pay nobody 50/hr. building computers is easy and fun. then you can start charging 50/hr. (or more  )
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| Mar 30th, 2005 10:10 PM | |||||
| executioneer | oh wait in the description it looks like you CAN use it wit a 4x :/ | ||||
| Mar 30th, 2005 10:07 PM | |||||
| Rongi |
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| Mar 30th, 2005 10:01 PM | |||||
| executioneer |
oh and he can't use that video card b/c his motherboard only goes up to 4x and that's a 8
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| Mar 30th, 2005 09:56 PM | |||||
| executioneer | he's got the 2.0 gig one fyi | ||||
| Mar 30th, 2005 09:52 PM | |||||
| whoreable |
for gaming i would recommend more than that aiw card. unless you plan on using the tv tuner and crap you can get another card that is much faster for the same price. something like this would blow it away in games. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...102-362&depa=1 one problem you might run into is power, this dimensions has a 250 watt poweruspply. it might not be enough for a new card. If you wannt do the motherboard proc replacement you are better off getting a new system. cases are so cheap these days. You might also want to check more of your system specs here http://support.dell.com/support/topi...&~ck=mn&~tab=3 This system originally came with a wide variety of processors that range alot in terms of speed. |
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| Mar 30th, 2005 09:16 PM | |||||
| Rongi |
i think i'll just stick with the radeon. a new motherboard would be a total hassle :/ ok so basically i need these three things... http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...102-352&depa=1 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...141-434&depa=1 http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...144-129&depa=1 thnx so much ziggy :D |
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| Mar 30th, 2005 09:05 PM | |||||
| ziggytrix |
it uses a PCI Express BUS interface (which is new) and your machine only supports AGP 2X/4X with a new motherboard, it would be possible, but with a proprietary dell case, i'm not sure how easy it would be to put a new mobo in, and really if you're talking about replacing the motherboard, that prolly means the processor, and you've said you want a new video card, and you're gonna need more than 256MB ram... well hell, you've almost got a whole new computer right there. sorry bout the busted link, try this. That 120GB Seatgate with the 5 year warranty looks like a good deal to me, but you've got lots of options. and damn this thread for making me realize how NOT up to date my box is
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| Mar 30th, 2005 08:41 PM | |||||
| Rongi |
http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproduc...142-037&DEPA=1 is there anyway i could use that card on my machine? it sounds sexy as hell. and ziggy, that link you gave me for ATA dun work
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| Mar 30th, 2005 07:06 PM | |||||
| Rongi |
i just wanna be able to play good looking games without slow down and shit damnit like hl2
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| Mar 30th, 2005 06:51 PM | |||||
| executioneer | idk ive never used one | ||||
| Mar 30th, 2005 06:47 PM | |||||
| Rongi | lol should i save up for an alienware computer | ||||
| Mar 30th, 2005 06:39 PM | |||||
| executioneer |
idk like 50 an hour? or maybe less :/ i got my motherboard and processor installed but did the rest myself, because i had a bad experience with motherboards installs 
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| Mar 30th, 2005 06:36 PM | |||||
| Rongi | how much would they do it for | ||||
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