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Oct 3rd, 2008 04:36 AM | ||||||
executioneer | yes! | |||||
Oct 3rd, 2008 02:59 AM | ||||||
Big Papa Goat |
Did anyone bring up grey goo yet? That's a good one. I'm actaully pretty surprised that no transhumanists have joined the forums for the purpose of arguing in this thread, I remember I made a post on my now defunct blog that was read by maybe 10 people about transhumanism and the executive director/founder of the World Transhumanist Association, a sociologist by the name of James Hughes, made a lengthy and detailed rebuttal of my dumbass remarks. Maybe now that I've mentioned his name he'll swing by these parts. Transhumanism makes me sad though, I failed at writing a thesis on it |
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Oct 2nd, 2008 09:05 PM | ||||||
Rez | why are we having this conversation when warren ellis isnt even around... | |||||
Oct 2nd, 2008 01:24 AM | ||||||
kahljorn | nanotechnologu | |||||
Oct 2nd, 2008 01:05 AM | ||||||
VaporTrailx1 |
All I know is we'll find out when we create the self replicating nano-bugs that might consume everything. BTW I personally wouldn't mind having my consciousness uploaded into a computer system, as long as it was like Tron and not like The Matrix. I don't want anything close to reality. I want virtual consciousness to be retro, like Lawnmower Manish, hell maybe even like a quake 2 typa thing. something with some synth and some pixels. |
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Sep 30th, 2008 01:01 AM | ||||||
Jeanette X | Abort, Retry, Fail? | |||||
Sep 29th, 2008 04:19 PM | ||||||
Dimnos |
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Sep 29th, 2008 03:32 PM | ||||||
Pub Lover | They tried but the DNZ wouldn't resolve because Jeanette's mind is configured for mac. | |||||
Sep 29th, 2008 03:12 PM | ||||||
Dimnos | Have you guys not downloaded your consciousness into the Internet yet to battle this out on a massive IP server somewhere? | |||||
Sep 27th, 2008 11:18 AM | ||||||
kahljorn |
its cool transhumanism is like the gayest subject and besides that i had home-team advantage. people arguing for transhumanism have all kinds of tricks but usually the whole caution argument does fuck with them because they are silly idiots who, like you said, never consider that there may be problem. and yea usually they do say that it will happen WITHIN FIFTY YEARS. I think that transhumanists like that are just millenarianists in disguise!Q Quote:
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Sep 26th, 2008 10:49 PM | ||||||
Jeanette X | I know, I know. I haven't gotten into a serious debate with anyone for a while, and so I'm out of form. Like a boxer who's gotten soft and fat from not practicing. | |||||
Sep 26th, 2008 10:37 PM | ||||||
Pub Lover | OK, I just read the posts I skipped. Jeanette is a humourless sack of shit that should shut up until she passes a course of joke getting, if not a minor seminar in having a point before trying to argue it. | |||||
Sep 26th, 2008 10:22 PM | ||||||
Pub Lover |
I'm sorry if she already admitted that is was only playing the fool, but I stopped reading Jeanette's posts halfway down the last page because her pedantic and pointless idiocy wasn't being rescued by kahljorn's seemingly considered and well thought out counterpoints that Jeanette then consistantly ignored. Haha, she probably got me good with her humourless vet attack of being dull, rite guys? |
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Sep 26th, 2008 08:54 PM | ||||||
kahljorn | that's my kind of transhumanism :O | |||||
Sep 26th, 2008 03:52 PM | ||||||
Dixie | Come on extinction! | |||||
Sep 26th, 2008 01:52 PM | ||||||
kahljorn |
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Saying we should be CAUTIOUS is NOT saying we SHOULDNT DO ANYTHING (except be uncautious or not be cautious whatever). It's just saying to be cautious. Sorry; it's not an argument against transhumanism. The only way it could be an argument against transhumanism is if you said that transhumanists are uncautious, and being uncautious is bad since it leads to bad results, therefore we shouldn't be transhumanists. Or if you could suggest a route that requires less caution than transhumanism to reach the same goal. Furthermore, it can't be a strawman because I haven't really acted as though by misleading you from your original point and changing the topic i have defeated your whole argument because I defeated that new argument that i represented you as having. In fact, I have consistently used your same logic against you, like when I said that if transhumanists were cautious, you would have no problem with it. Quote:
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Sep 26th, 2008 11:32 AM | ||||||
Jeanette X |
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http://plif.courageunfettered.com/archive/wc233.gif I would hotlink, but I don't want to suck up this guy's bandwidth. |
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Sep 26th, 2008 12:15 AM | ||||||
kahljorn |
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there's not really a good way to argue against a transhumanist, or argue transhumanism, cause it's kind of non-rational in a lot of ways. Might as well argue about god, really ;/ |
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Sep 26th, 2008 12:09 AM | ||||||
kahljorn |
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To bring up what you're saying as an ARGUMENT AGAINST TRANSHUMANISM is fucking retarded. Here's your argument: WE SHOULD BE CAUTIOUS BECAUSE BAD THINGS MIGHT HAPPEN. That's not an argument against transhumanism: it's an argument to be cautious. that can apply to anything and everything, but not specifically to transhumanists; only to uncautious transhumanists. Are you saying that transhumanists are inherently uncautious? or that I'm submitting an reckless pursuit of transhumanism? Because I never did so, in fact, I've consistently said that we should be very careful to fix problems and perform rigorous experimentation if we care about not getting bad results. In fact I don't even see how its possible to be that incautious especially with some of the things we've discussed: like how long the technology will take to develop and you know the scientific method. From this point forward in history I decree that all transhumanists should be careful and if not they are jerks who don't care about anyone but themselves and their foolish search for an ideal! k happy now jeanette obviously that resolves your argument and makes you a believer in transhumanism oh look how nothing you said was ever an argument about transhumanism but against uncautious acts. |
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Sep 25th, 2008 11:49 PM | ||||||
Chojin | also, i'm pretty sure that right around the time quality VR becomes a reality, we'll all be too busy mentally masturbating to invent anything else. | |||||
Sep 25th, 2008 11:47 PM | ||||||
Tadao | Has anyone claimed the Adrienne Barbeau-bot yet? | |||||
Sep 25th, 2008 11:45 PM | ||||||
Chojin |
i would just like to add to this thread that i don't think i'm ever going to die, because i will have a shiny robot body by the time i'm 80. and a very, very large gun. |
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Sep 25th, 2008 08:44 PM | ||||||
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Now this is what I mean by masturbatory. Pardon me if I'm reluctant to believe that it'll all be so nice and neat. |
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Sep 25th, 2008 08:30 PM | ||||||
kahljorn |
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Sep 25th, 2008 08:12 PM | ||||||
kahljorn |
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Anyway, my retort tot his still stands. What you're saying only means that we might have problems we will have to work out. Or this: And not to be a jerk like you would be: whether or not the technologies will have a problem or two isn't really relevant. Transhumanism doesn't posit that we will be perfect. If anything, it posits that we will be significantly more perfect as a whole. And further, it doesn't posit that we will have NO problems, only that many of the problems we have will be either eradicated or lessened in effect, and that a new host of previously unhuman problems may arise. It doesn't really matter if the problems are completely worked out, either, anytime soon. It could be tomorrow it could be ten billion years from now. Quote:
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Also, I would like to add that the failure to achieve an ideal is not the same thing as the ideal. There can't really be such a thing as a "Flawed transhumanism." I don't doubt that these possibilities aren't possible to happen. Sure, a civilization could go awry with their technology. But the ideal and the technologies are not the same thing. the technology is merely a means to an end. The reason it is so fascinating for the achieval of such an ideal, however, is the fact that it fundamentally alters people. So yes, it could be used to fundamentally alter people for the achievement of evil, but again, what this means is that we should try to keep it from being used that way ;/ also i don't think anybody is rushing to achieve this, either. Too much natural fear of, basically, exactly what you've been saying... that natural human fear of becoming unhuman. Quote:
although I'm sure most transhumanists would argue that it's just around the corner with the kaleidoscopinng parascoping nature of advancing technologies! someday your paradigm will shift and you will understand that the future comes faster than the future; here time turns into space! |
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