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Nov 5th, 2008 10:17 AM
Crimson Ghost Rock
Nov 2nd, 2008 12:55 PM
kahljorn looking at tadao ensures that i will never be a homosexual.

Tadao is probably like a lesbian factory too.
Nov 2nd, 2008 07:16 AM
Kitsa
Nov 1st, 2008 09:54 PM
glowbelly i, um, ew.
Nov 1st, 2008 07:22 PM
Tadao That's ok, I only want you to suck on my meat stick, not eat it.
Nov 1st, 2008 06:05 PM
glowbelly i'm vegan.
Nov 1st, 2008 04:24 AM
kahljorn get your ass to mars
Nov 1st, 2008 04:23 AM
Tadao I'm no longer an illegal alien, I know my rights. You can't make me go.
Nov 1st, 2008 04:14 AM
Brandon Go back to Mars
Nov 1st, 2008 04:02 AM
kahljorn i guess that would be a more appropriate word but i was just thinking of those poor extraterrestrials who in his mind glorify breakfasting.

it's a n interstellar tradition!
Nov 1st, 2008 03:48 AM
Tadao xenophobic
Nov 1st, 2008 03:46 AM
kahljorn i think your usage of the word extraterrestrial was pretentious

and kind of racist/presumptious
Nov 1st, 2008 02:19 AM
Brandon For the record, I was just trying to make a general point about the term. Wasn't stepping in to defend the honor of "breakfasting" or pushy undergraduate hippies.

I mean ... "breakfasting"? I guess it's technically in the dictionary, but that kind of usage is positively extraterrestrial.
Oct 31st, 2008 11:10 PM
Jeanette X There's a difference between thinking that someone is sort of pretentious and having an inner klaxon alarm go off whenever they open their mouths. Brandon may have a point in that we can be a bit quick to judge someone as pretentious, like I was when I wrote my rant about the hippies at the convention. (For the record I had PMS and I was being somewhat facetious anyway.) However, the fact still remains that a lot of people in this world need to be told off, like the fucking stoner hippies that I knew my first year of college who thought they were "deeper" than everyone else because they dropped a lot of acid and looked down on me because I didn't.
Oct 31st, 2008 08:36 AM
Kitsa I don't mind looking like a dismissive asshole.

Basically, I have a pretty good radar for insincerity (on an instinctive level), and the woman reeked of it. I despise insincerity.
Oct 30th, 2008 10:40 PM
Brandon It's kind of an insidious word -- especially in relation to the arts, where overreaching oneself is often necessary toward making truly interesting work. I've stopped using it altogether, because it's pretty much impossible to find a reliable standard on which to use it. For example: over the last couple of years I've gotten to know some New York City-based writers, and most of them had come from backgrounds unlike my own (wealthy, "intellectual class," etc). I got irked by some of the ways they acted and communicated, and my first thought was "pretentious," but, then, if they grew up in environments where that sort of thing was commonplace, then they're not really pretentious at all. The word basically means that there's a disparity between what you actually are and what you present yourself to be. And, really, who's in the position to judge that sort of thing? Sometimes you "know" that someone is being pretentious, but most of the time you just think you know, and then you look like a dismissive asshole.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/thea...thbeingpretent
Oct 27th, 2008 10:07 PM
Jeanette X
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Originally Posted by Sethomas View Post
Also: having borne from a redneck heritage, I am very regularly thrown into a Sophie's Choice of sounding pretentious by talking in my normal voice, or talking like those around me to make it more comfortable until I am justly attacked for condescending. Eh!
Did it occur to you that maybe you are just plain insufferable either way?
Oct 27th, 2008 06:19 PM
Sethomas eh, I guess I forgot to add that true pretension is something I see a lot. I live in a college town! Basically, I judge someone as being pretentious when their speaking tendencies, e.g. diction, annunciation, &c., are done with an obvious indication that the person is more concerned with how the delivery of information will be taken than she is interested in the spoken matter itself.

In my college town, one that houses a Big 10 University, what I find is that people here are far, far more interested in pursuing academia as a reflection of themselves over a reflection of their interests. As a result, a cheap simulacrum of intellectual discourse is actually preferred over the real thing. People here are bent on saying stupid shit to sound smart. This is striking to me because I've also attended a different university where the academic standards were much, much higher. People there knew that they'd already proved themselves as being among the world intellectual élite, so they didn't find it necessary to talk about it all the time or slip it in as they recount the quality of their hollandaise while breakfasting. Real, forced pretension is an insecurity thing, and yes, I do know how ubiquitous it is.

Also: having borne from a redneck heritage, I am very regularly thrown into a Sophie's Choice of sounding pretentious by talking in my normal voice, or talking like those around me to make it more comfortable until I am justly attacked for condescending. Eh!
Oct 27th, 2008 05:11 PM
Kitsa I hold that it's a gut decision and you can get a feel for a person's intentions. Given the circumstances in which this whole scenario took place, I'm calling her pretentious.

Also, I don't look at adjusting speech "upward" or "downward", but rather toward the widest audience possible. I'm not going to flatter myself into assuming that she reckoned me of the "breakfasting" sort.
Oct 27th, 2008 04:52 PM
Big Papa Goat Ya, I think 'breakfasting' is something that basically doesn't have to be said. I mean, just because there's a word, doesn't mean you have to use it. Also, I notice that there's a lot of pretentious people who really don't know what they're talking about and just obscure their lack of understanding with jargon and claims that they're talking about things that are too complicated to talk about in terms that anyone might possibly understand. That's the kind of pretentiousness that really bugs me.
Oct 27th, 2008 04:25 PM
Big McLargehuge
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Originally Posted by kahljorn View Post
the thing i like most about hippies is that if you slap them in the face and call them names their facade either drops or they cry

hick types just generally punch you in the face. I do appreciate the honesty
those peope suck at driving though they always run red lights what a crazy world
i live in an area almost solely populated by hicks, i would trade them for hippies any day.
Oct 27th, 2008 04:15 PM
10,000 Volt Ghost I definitely think there's a difference between people who try and increase their vocabulary and people just trying to sound "Indy" or intelligent. I just get bored with the words I use. Ridiculous and horrible become obsolete after the 5th time in a conversation.
Oct 27th, 2008 02:59 PM
kahljorn the thing i like most about hippies is that if you slap them in the face and call them names their facade either drops or they cry

hick types just generally punch you in the face. I do appreciate the honesty
those peope suck at driving though they always run red lights what a crazy world
Oct 27th, 2008 01:26 PM
Grislygus That emoticon makes you pretentious!
Oct 27th, 2008 01:24 PM
Jeanette X
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Originally Posted by Sethomas View Post
Making an accusation of pretension is pretentious. If you know what "pretentious" means, you're pretentious.

Actually, the general subject of this thread is something that interests me a lot because of different biomes where I've found myself. My annoyance is that very often the term "pretentious" will get thrown out to claim a moral victory over someone who is simply smarter or merely more articulate than the plaintiff. If someone's level of conversation is below yours, they're either a moron or philistine. If it's above yours, they're obviously pretentious. It's exactly like the George Carlin line, "Ever notice that everyone who drives slower than you is a moron and everyone who drives faster than you is a maniac?"
Methinks you doth protest too much.
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