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Dec 20th, 2008 04:48 AM
Big Papa Goat Ya, it would have stopped a few E. Coli outbreaks too. That shit can't help the economy none either.
Dec 19th, 2008 06:25 AM
Perndog I blame the assistant managers. If they'd just learn to wash lettuce properly they wouldn't get busted back down to cashier and be forced to default on their loans.
Dec 19th, 2008 02:58 AM
Big Papa Goat Well, at least we didn't destroy our financial system by giving 40 year mortgages to a bunch of assistant managers from mcdonalds.
Dec 19th, 2008 12:46 AM
Perndog Canada can't do anything about the recession. They don't have their own economy. Just wait for the US to figure things out.
Dec 11th, 2008 01:13 AM
Big Papa Goat Well, Bob Rae dropped out after the Liberal caucus (rather than the membership) decided that Ignatieff would be the best leader. Probably because they figured it out that the coalition was a terrible idea, so it wouldn't be any good to have a leadership contendor running on a platform of death to Stephen Harper at any cost.
I guess it's a good thing the caucus forced this leadership selection through though, the Liberal Party membership and its delegates don't seem to be up to the task of selecting competent leaders.
Iggy's a good guy though, I'm sure he and Harper will work something out that will make sense. I'd be willing to bet that there's not going to be a coalition in January though. Ignatieff has already said that he wouldn't defeat the government before looking at the budget, and Harper has already invited him to consult on that budget, so there's no reason they won't be able to figure out something between now and January that they can both agree on. Hopefully Harper has got the message that he doesn't have to be an asshole all the god damned time. But really, the Conservatives have hardly been uncooperative, even in this crisis they immediately retracted the contreversial measures that instigated the crisis when they learned how much the opposition was opposed to them.
Dec 9th, 2008 12:08 PM
AChimp Bob Rae and Dominic LeBlanc both dropped out of the leadership race, so Ignatieff will basically be declared as the new leader. The Liberal Party is finally getting its shit together.
Dec 6th, 2008 09:43 PM
Colonel Flagg
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Originally Posted by AChimp View Post
People who voted FOR Harper are all faggots.
Ah, so he's not a fan of Prop. 8, hey?

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Vodka does not make me funny.
But it does make you pithy.
Dec 6th, 2008 01:20 PM
Tadao
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Putting it all in perspective again, I see.
Vodka does not make me funny.
Dec 6th, 2008 10:32 AM
AChimp People who voted FOR Harper are all faggots.
Dec 6th, 2008 07:08 AM
Colonel Flagg Putting it all in perspective again, I see.
Dec 6th, 2008 04:28 AM
Tadao
Dec 6th, 2008 03:57 AM
Big Papa Goat It's going to be tough for there to be another majority government of any kind in the coming years I think. The Liberals are a basket-case, and nobody's going to get anywhere in Quebec now.
I forget if it was Jack Layton or Ed Broadbent or Bob Rae, or maybe all three who said that if the Harper government brings in any good ideas to the budget in January that they agree with they'll include them in their coalition's budget as well. Which is them saying explicitly that defeating the government has nothing to do with policy at this point, it's just about how Harper is completly unfit to govern in their eyes. Now I know AChimp just gave us the grade 10 social studies lesson in parlimentary democracy, but at the end of the day, most people do vote for the leader of the party when they go to the polls. It's definitely one of, and often the single most important factor in voter decisions, and it is always more important than anything to do with the particular local representative they vote for. And a fairly substantial plurality of the Canadian population thought that Harper was the best leader for the country. If the opposition wants to paint Harper like some kind of demonic meglaomaniacal tyrant that is so much the representation of evil that it has become morally impossible to compromise with him, then what does that say about the people who voted for him? It seems to me that it's always a pretty divisive move to use such harshly dualistic rhetoric about a politician. It's one thing to describe a politician as incompetent or perhaps even as corrupt, but calling your opponent evil and explicitly rejecting any possibility of compromising or negotiating with him is a dangerous thing to do.
Dec 5th, 2008 04:10 PM
AChimp Naw, politics has gone back to being boring again, except Harper has guaranteed that he'll get a minority next election again because he's pissed off Quebec.
Dec 5th, 2008 01:55 PM
Colonel Flagg Well, in any event, this is certainly going to be an educational couple of months for us political junkies here in the States. We'll get to see Canadian power politics in action.
Dec 4th, 2008 09:33 PM
Big Papa Goat And Harpers proroguing the government is hardly like a coup, (it happens regularly, and the GG has never refused a PM's request for prorogation) it's quite frankly a pretty good idea. The politicians there have to calm down and figure out a way to work things out without being in the House at eachothers throats the whole time.
And lets keep in mind that defeating the government within weeks of approving its throne speech is a ridiculous kind of 'coup' as well. It's irresponsible and reckless.
Dec 4th, 2008 09:29 PM
Big Papa Goat The funny thing is is that the parliment is ridiculously divided, with all the politicians hating each other with a fervent passion. The way some of the opposition leaders talk about Harper is really almost frightening, Bob Rae was saying that he's as bad as Nixon and the worst prime minister ever and that he absolutely can never be trusted. The fact of the matter is that the effort to topple government has little if anything to do with policy and everything to do with a hatred and fear of Harper himself. I mean, they won't even talk to him about changing the governments economic plan by January, which is ostensibly the policy issue they have an issue with. But the thing is, unlike in the US (as I can see it), there really doesn't seem to be much actual division in the population. I mean, the opposition is acting kind of like Harper is the same as Bush, but he's clearly not nearly as hated as Bush is in the states. He just doesn't do anything that contreversial. I mean, his economic plan was not that right wing, the only right wing things he did that were upsetting were a couple of sharp old reform party planks that he used to poke the opposition in the eye and get all this started. And even they were only upsetting to political parties, I don't think most people in the country cared that much at all.
It's like the arts funding debacle in the last election. Harper cut like 2 programs and actually increased total arts funding, and it got turned into this big ole political bugaboo.
Dec 4th, 2008 03:33 PM
Colonel Flagg You were right, also, in saying this is as exciting as it gets in Canada. I read a few blogs and ... let's just say y'all could teach us a thing or two about creative invectives.
Dec 4th, 2008 03:11 PM
AChimp No, it's completely legal.

The GG prorogued Parliament today, though, which means everything is cancelled until January 26. More like proGAYED.
Dec 4th, 2008 02:54 PM
Colonel Flagg You canucks weren't kidding. Harper is a dick.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/americ...sis/index.html

I realize that in the parliamentary system this move might be expected, even tolerated, but to me, it seems like a desperate grab for power not unlike a coup d'état. Am I wrong?

EDIT - Credit where it is due:

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Harper is probably going to ask the Governor General to prorogue the parliamentary session, which essentially means ending the session early without ending the government. This is typically only used for situations where the government's agenda is finished for the session and everyone agrees to go home early. It's never been used to actually avoid a non-confidence motion, so it would technically be an abuse of power to do so.
Maybe not a coup, but certainly exploring the borders of legality.
Dec 3rd, 2008 11:46 PM
Evil Robot Whats Canada?
Dec 3rd, 2008 12:52 PM
AChimp
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Originally Posted by Colonel Flagg View Post
So, what's the timeline for the total collapse of the Canadian government?
It could happen as early as next Monday or even as late as the end of January.

Harper is probably going to ask the Governor General to prorogue the parliamentary session, which essentially means ending the session early without ending the government. This is typically only used for situations where the government's agenda is finished for the session and everyone agrees to go home early. It's never been used to actually avoid a non-confidence motion, so it would technically be an abuse of power to do so.

The other factor is that the government is required to grant at least one Opposition Day per session, which is where the opposition parties get to introduce bills and stuff. The Opposition Day was supposed to be last week, but Harper postponed it until next Monday to try and recover from this crisis. Proroguing the Parliament now would deny the opposition from it's special day, so the Governor General has to decide which rule takes precedence.
Dec 3rd, 2008 12:33 PM
MattJack do they have awesome thick accents too? Like SUPER Canadians?
Dec 3rd, 2008 11:53 AM
Zomboid I'll take pictures and videos when I go home for Christmas break. It's pretty much what you'd expect though: lots of FAG BASHIN', HUNTIN', and the like.
Dec 3rd, 2008 11:24 AM
MattJack Canadian rednecks

Anyone have a Youtube link to one of these people?
Dec 3rd, 2008 10:14 AM
Colonel Flagg
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Hey, I was telling Colonel Flagg that Harper couldn't hold it together for long. :D
That you did, sir, and you were right.

All kidding aside, this .... thing going on with our neighbor to the north will provide us political junkies with a good fix until Mr. Obama gets it goin' on in January.

So, what's the timeline for the total collapse of the Canadian government?
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