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| Mar 17th, 2003 11:47 AM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore |
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Baghdad is a city of roughly 5 million people. That's JUST Baghdad. You think casualties will be low when trying to find a needle in a hay stack??? Quote:
Again, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't most of Afghanistan still a warzone? How many of those "liberated" people are going to see that money? How much is that money in relative terms, taking our GNP compared to other nations (I mean, in terms of what nations such as Canada and England are giving)...? Quote:
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| Mar 17th, 2003 09:02 AM | |||||
| theapportioner | Forgot to add something about multilateralism -- there's more to the future than GWB and successors may try to repair the damage. In retrospect, much of it was entirely needless -- the US displayed a completely unecessary chest thumping attitude from the beginning and this perhaps did most to damage international perception of us. A diplomatic faux pas, as the French would say. The current momentum is driving us towards a multipolarist world but it's still hard to imagine another world power or powers acceding to superpower level. | ||||
| Mar 17th, 2003 08:35 AM | |||||
| Miss Modular | I had a premonition from the beginning that we were going to go to war with Iraq no matter what. As a citizen of the United States, It's still important to exercise my opinion. I will continue to do so. One can only hope the opposition grows stronger. | ||||
| Mar 17th, 2003 03:00 AM | |||||
| ItalianStereotype | we already know its going to be a quick war with minimal casualties, iraq is NOT a militarily significant power. i think it has also already been stated that some 36 billion dollars are going towards rebuilding both afghanistan and iraq, i simply dont see why you are so worried about this war. do you want to appease saddam? bolster his iron grip when we can see it slipping? diplomacy has already failed and it is the UNs fault, that is including the US. in fact, diplomacy at this point is only endangering our soldiers even more. while france and germany try to bog the US down with procedures and red tape saddam is busy moving missiles westward to launch at israel and preparing artillery to assault the kurds in the north and the kuwaiti border in the south. so please, enlighten me as to how you see this "problem" | ||||
| Mar 17th, 2003 02:22 AM | |||||
| KevinTheOmnivore | Quick war, minimal casualties. That's pretty much all we can hold out hope for now..... | ||||
| Mar 17th, 2003 12:27 AM | |||||
| The_Rorschach | Well, I can't argue with any of this. Its just about where I stand on this topic also. Likewise, I'm hoping for the best in a bad situation. America isn't the same country it was fifty years ago - for better and for worse - and patriots aren't what they once were. I'm dreading anything other than a peaceful resolution because I honestly fear otherwise it will only further alienate the Unites States from the world at large | ||||
| Mar 17th, 2003 12:04 AM | |||||
| theapportioner |
Endgame for Diplomacy So the United States, with Britain and Spain, have issued a Monday ultimatum for the UN to support the war. While not inconceivable, I doubt the canvassing for votes will succeed, and France does not seem to be bluffing. The bombs will follow. Domestically, support for the war is strong, and the opposition isn't strong enough to challenge. Media acquiescence and even open support has obscured this impending war's obvious moral illegitimacy. Most likely the war will be done with in a blink of an eye, not long enough for opposition to grow and make a difference. On Iraq: For awhile I supported the war, but joined the opposition when I realized that the justness, or the moral case depends on not only on Saddam Hussein but on what happens afterwards. The United States, however, does not have the heart for reconstruction and democracy building. Others may cite Japan, but that was during a different time and different circumstances entirely. Less anachronistic cases of Panama, Yugoslavia, and Afghanistan aren't nearly as cheerful. If Iraq becomes a shining beacon of democracy, then I will happily admit to have been proven wrong, but history gives me no confidence that this will occur. France/Germany and Britain/Spain/others: Interesting times for the future of Europe, and especially the European Union. NATO is dead, and Europe may one day create an EU army. Though the European leaders are divided, European people are very much in agreement. The EU will ascend. United Nations: The battle for its relevance has been overdramatized, as it's been pretty irrelevant for all of its history. The Middle East: Allies and enemies come and go, but as far as American foriegn policy goes, little has fundamentally changed since after 9-11. It's as colonialistic and hegemonistic as always. A remarkable opportunity in Iran for democratic revolution risks being squandered, partly because of American myopia. |
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