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Sep 2nd, 2003 05:10 PM
Anti-Xocial I still haven't seen "Slackers" ...I'll pick it up sometime this week

and to theapportioner: that was exactly what it was too! Delicious and sweet!
Aug 28th, 2003 07:34 AM
theapportioner To Linklater's credit, he never intended the movie to get into serious philosophical speculation. A 'pot brownie', as he called it.
Aug 11th, 2003 05:04 PM
Anti-Xocial Vibe, with all due respect to the lectures you have attended and your "vast knowledge" on this subject: For someone who is a "Buddist" you sure come across as a rather stuck-up prude on this subject! Shouldn't you be happy in a humble buddistic sorta way over the fact that someone/anyone understands the same things as you do (and in their time)?
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying but all in all, think about ALL the shit that everyone else knows, and to which you haven't even begun to grasp a concept of!
I guess its just another case of I-am-a-westerner-who-thinks-I-can--fathom Buddism, but then again, you've read all that in a book so, you are wise, they are/ I am stupid, and the whole thing is so, so sad!!
Aug 10th, 2003 12:58 PM
Royal Tenenbaum double posting sucks.
Aug 10th, 2003 12:57 PM
Royal Tenenbaum I watched Slacker again yesterday. It has to come out on DVD someday.
Aug 10th, 2003 05:13 AM
miss emma
Re: Sleeping

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Originally Posted by Vibecrewangel

Anyway...Wreck....you wanna know what is really frustrating.....realizing that you may have thought all those things up as a kid but the majority of people haven't. Or did, but don't make the concious connections now. It seems real obvious to you, just like it does to me, but sad as it is...for most people this is a new line of concious thought.
and there-in lies the irony. these aren't far-fetched ideas here. the idea that we could either be dreaming or in waking reality and we would never know...well. what kid doesn't think that?

which, i suspect, was wreck's point in the first place. it is a slightly (slightly!) difficult idea to get your head around, but it has occured to most people. thus the movie makes people feel smart. Waking Life could have, even, marketed itself better by not being available at Blockbuster. then we could all feel superior that the Diet Coke-heads just don't get it, man.
Aug 8th, 2003 07:36 PM
O71394658 Pretentious attitudes suck.

I hate self-righteous indignation.
Aug 8th, 2003 06:08 PM
Vibecrewangel
Sleeping

I was taking a class at Stanford on lucid dreaming taught by Dr. La-berge who has written several books on the subject. I've always had lucid dreams and wanted to know why some people just have them and some never do. Anyway.... My boyfriend rents this movie for me to see at around the same time 'cause it bothered him and he wanted my take on it. About halfway through the movie.....the light switch scene actually....I realize I am listening to complete exerpts from Dr. La-berge's book that we are using as a textbook. I grab the book find the section and hand it off to my now very confused boyfriend. He reads and then looks at me and says "huh, I thought this movie was about the main character realizing he was dead."
My poor boyfriend......everything is about death.....he just can't see any other view someone else points it out.

Anyway...Wreck....you wanna know what is really frustrating.....realizing that you may have thought all those things up as a kid but the majority of people haven't. Or did, but don't make the concious connections now. It seems real obvious to you, just like it does to me, but sad as it is...for most people this is a new line of concious thought.
I realized a long time ago that what I thought was obvious is beyond most people. Hell, I've pissed off friends because they didn't get they way I saw the world and they thought I was a freak. Then they take a psych class later and come back to me all amazed that the "uneducated" person thinks at a "higher level" than most people. Then I have to play 20 questions about where I learned it. Try telling people you have always just thought that way and they stare at you like a farking nut case. "Well what have you read?" "Where did you learn it?" "Who taught you?" I used to get all bitter and pissy then I realized that most people are so used to being taught they don't know how to think. Now I'm just kinda sad.

EDIT: And I thought the movie was fairly dull....but then...I'd sat through the lectures already.
Aug 5th, 2003 05:28 PM
Anti-Xocial I found the movie to be complelling for its imaginative, philosophical and creative sides. I didn't feel as though it patronized my sense of knowledge just because it brought up some matters that I have given some thought to in the past.

As i mentioned earlier I found it to be "thought-provoking" that was not to say that the issues that were brought up were new but more how-and-who-said-what within the context (and this movie just had a great context!
Aug 4th, 2003 05:41 PM
Miss Modular I enjoy "art" films, but I'm going to have to agree with Wreck. There were a couple of episodes that stood out, and the rotoscoping was cool, but this movie a bore for the most part.

In a current screenplay, I have two people discussing the future of art in a car ride. Hope I don't bore people.
Aug 4th, 2003 03:09 PM
wreckreation "mommy says don't talk to bullies."
Aug 3rd, 2003 08:38 PM
Rongi
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Originally Posted by wreckreation
lol you like movies that make you feel smart. Thats pathetic. You like music that isn't mainstream just so you can feel hip. All your linkin park shit just makes me grin since you babbled the whole time about how you "just don't like them" yet OBVIOUSLY have some sort of a stigma against them. You don't like them but you haven't the musical knowledge to formulate any reason as to why. So, like the fuckign pathetic loser you are you just go along with the status quo in backing what's simply not on mtv. We can talk music, we can talk movies. We can talk abotu whatever you want and you're just gonna come out like a bitchy little kid. The best part of all is that i am PAID on my musical know how in what is popular along with technical skill.


Wreck, I don't want to talk to you because you are seriously fucking boring.
Aug 3rd, 2003 04:23 PM
O71394658 Alright, I saw it. Kind of interesting, yet mildly boring at the same time. :/ Partly because it was very "philosophy class-ish" and partly because I never have very lucid dreams like that...
Aug 1st, 2003 08:05 PM
O71394658 I've never seen it, but I'll try to pick it up this weekend.
Aug 1st, 2003 06:27 PM
wreckreation My problem isn't with the audience. Well, i do have a problem witht eh audience, but that is another story. I just HATE when movies intentionally try to beef up the audiences ego by doing some sorta smart bullshit that everyone of course will get but doing it in a way where everyone thinks they are brilliant. Fight club in it's atmosphere KINDA does it, but it never hatches some complex plan that is difficult to keep up with. It simply changes the character context as it entertains. It was all taken from the book and the book certainly DOES NOT make you feel smart. In this instance audiences never seem to get it and they all wanna be space monkies even though the whole movie is saying that that is a stupid idea. The Matrix is like all the space monkey bullshit without ever saying you should think for yourself. Everyone says "OHH ACTION" "OHHH PHILOSOPHY" and falls in love. But yeah, the matrix is 1st and foremost an action flick, but the phil just tries to cover that fact up. Waking life is the same scam, but no action. Just out of place art to make an art house film for idiots.
Aug 1st, 2003 11:29 AM
soundtest
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Fight Club... but it really doesn't try to be "cool" for the sake of being cool
Yes it does.

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It is a movie completely made to say things we all have thought of in a way that we all will think we were on to something. It's nothing original and certainly nothing as deep as it would advertise itself as being. Get that? It "looks" deep and it acts deep and suckers will think they are deep for getting the plot, but it's not deep and everyone has already been over it a thousand times.
So is your problem with the audience?

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My first or second day of class in phil 101 we disproved the whole idea of waking life.
Disproved what? Isn't this movie simply a dream?
Jul 31st, 2003 09:01 PM
wreckreation There are plenty of movies that don't directly try to appeal to the audience. You want me to name a smart one. Office Space. A non-comedy. Se7en. Fight Club too to some extent, but SOMEHOW people still get big heads seeing that movie, but it really doesn't try to be "cool" for the sake of being cool. In waking life, all the discussions are things i thought of at 12 years old while taking shits. The art is cool, but adds nothing to the plot. It is a movie completely made to say things we all have thought of in a way that we all will think we were on to something. It's nothing original and certainly nothing as deep as it would advertise itself as being. Get that? It "looks" deep and it acts deep and suckers will think they are deep for getting the plot, but it's not deep and everyone has already been over it a thousand times. "But it brings up an interesting topic that is not explored too often "--- my ass it does.
it's not done in movies a lot because fucking everyone talks about it all the time in real life.
The matrix pulls the same stunt. "Lets see what life would be like in a computer" is just like a dream. We all have had realistic dreams and got the VERY ORIGINAL idea that we might be living a dream. So when morpheus asks neo if he has ever had a dream so real he didn't know the difference... FUCKING OF COURSE HE AND EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE HAS. If the audience had never had realistic dreams they wouldn't get the movie. and EVERYONE gets the matrix.
as for "at times it seems like an introductory Philosophy class", i take it you've never actually taken an intro phil class. My first or second day of class in phil 101 we disproved the whole idea of waking life.
Jul 31st, 2003 07:03 PM
soundtest
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THIS MOVIE IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
It is just like the matrix in that it sucks the audience's dick and makes them feel smart.
So what's the cut off for acceptable dialog wreck? Fart jokes?

I mentioned that at times it seems like an introductory Philosophy class and at times just seems totally fucking pretentious. But it brings up an interesting topic that is not explored too often and does it in a creative and visually interesting way. What would you say is a good movie that doesn't make you feel smart?
Jul 31st, 2003 03:27 AM
wreckreation lol you like movies that make you feel smart. Thats pathetic. You like music that isn't mainstream just so you can feel hip. All your linkin park shit just makes me grin since you babbled the whole time about how you "just don't like them" yet OBVIOUSLY have some sort of a stigma against them. You don't like them but you haven't the musical knowledge to formulate any reason as to why. So, like the fuckign pathetic loser you are you just go along with the status quo in backing what's simply not on mtv. We can talk music, we can talk movies. We can talk abotu whatever you want and you're just gonna come out like a bitchy little kid. The best part of all is that i am PAID on my musical know how in what is popular along with technical skill.
Jul 30th, 2003 11:00 PM
Rongi
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Originally Posted by wreckreation
THIS MOVIE IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
It is just like the matrix in that it sucks the audience's dick and makes them feel smart.
LINKIN PARK RULZ MAN :highfive
Jul 30th, 2003 05:26 AM
Ooner It made me sleep.
Jul 30th, 2003 01:56 AM
crash0814 Been meaning to see it for a while. Ah what the hell, I'll just download it off Kazaa.
Jul 30th, 2003 01:45 AM
wreckreation THIS MOVIE IS A PIECE OF CRAP.
It is just like the matrix in that it sucks the audience's dick and makes them feel smart.
Jul 24th, 2003 11:17 PM
Protoclown I noticed a copy of this sitting around my living room. Guess one of my roommates picked it up. I'll have to check it out.
Jul 24th, 2003 07:41 PM
Anti-Xocial I haven't seen that yet
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