that's what i was talken about

Yeah but there's only like 10 dual-layer games tho

well according to the google siren 2 is one of them

I had a look at mine and there is a tiny 3mm label on the underside that says PAL in grey on black. :hypno

Siren: Blood Curse is going to be a remake of the original title for the PS3. It was released last year, and is only available via the PSN store.


It's also censored a lot.

I had to send in my 360 after getting the red ring of death. Again. The last time, they sent me a new one, and it last through just under 2 years of on/off playing.

The 360 has some great games, but the console itself seems to be pretty crappy.

My original 20 gig xbox died again, so I just went out and bought a brand new elite.

Well given the choice between buying a new 360, or getting a new one for free, I had to go with the latter.

Sad but true. I owned many gaming consoles and none of them ever broke down, my Snes, PS1, my 2600 still works, not even my 1st Gameboy that was drowned in Applejuice when I was a kid. But the 360? Had to send it in two times already.

But late last year it was struck by lightning (true story) and I suppose it has superpowers now, like, not breaking down like a cheap electronic toy.

Well mine lasted for a reasonably long time before it died. I thought I was immune, that it was something that happened to other Xboxes. It's away for repairs or replacement right now, but I am pleased with the service so I am not too mad. All the great games has made it easily worth it.

Same here. I had mine for over two years before it broke down, and I was away at work right after it happened anyway, so it was ready when I got back.

Got Worms from a friend on PSN yesterday and it's really fun in multiplayer, does remind me of a game i played from years ago called Gunbound, except gunbound uses tanks instead of worms..

Or maybe gunbound copied worms, i never played worms prior to this, so someone please inform me.
Stupid pricing on the game though, 13 dollars? Someone buying a 20 dollar card and buying this is fucked because what the hell are they gonna do with 7 dollars, buy a 5 dollar game and have 2 dollars, for what, a premium theme?

It's probably worth it if you split the cost between a friend and gameshare it.
Wheel of Fortune is also pretty fun but once again, stupid pricing, should've been 10 dollars at max, and like jeopardy it's going to go down in price real soon.
And Burn Zombie Burn should've had online co-op, because it doesn't, i will not buy it.

That's not really a fair comparison, though. All of those except the PS1 are cartridge based systems with no moving parts, and even the PS1 runs at pretty low speed compared to a 360. Probably, failure rates are only going to increase as the machines get more and more complex. It's like comparing a bike to a car. They both do mostly the same thing, but the one that does it better has a lot more places to break down.

Are you trying to defend what Microsoft did? The 360 is probably the worst produced electronic of all time in terms of hardware, it's a piece of crap.

Yes, there are always failure rates but this is phenomenal, they built this like a piece of crap and that's why it fails like a piece of crap, not because of more complex hardware, if it was because of that, then the PS3 would be failing left and right as well and laptops and ipods and everything!
The whole RROD thing may be fixed now apparently with the newer consoles but we'll see if those fail within 2 years or not

:rolleyes

We'll see. I can't imagine that making machines that they have to replace every 2 years or so is going to help their profit margins.

ok

PS3 NEVER BREAK BECAUSE THEIR INSIDES ARE FULL OF SHIT AND TOOTHPICKS :rolleyes

Make a good console with a good online service and nice controllers while supporting independent developers and replacing faulty machines free of charge?

I WOULDN'T PISS ON THEM IF THEY WERE ON FIRE.

I heard the PS3 has cobwebs and magic inside.

And hamsters. That feed on your hopes of good games. And stuff.

PS3 has plenty of good games too.

Platform fanboyism needs to go back to the playground where it belongs.

Look, this is just something I heard, so don't take it at face value, but I heard that the reason PS3s always feel so warm to the touch is because their processors are made of radium.

Yeah, all those excellent exclusives! Like... uh...

:(

Or, you know, this thread.

Seriously, this is the one time this stupid shit has actually landed in the right thread.

I murder PS3 owners in their sleep

you don't understand, this is a commitment

Killzone 2
MGS4
Everyday Shooter
Uncharted
Rachet and Clank
Little Big Planet
The Pixel Junk Eden games
Flower

You know, things besides Madden and FPSs.

See, I can generalize a system's library too.

meh @ all of those games. why not put gran turismo 5 or 6 or whatever number it is now on there while you're at it :rolleyes

i mean dont get me wrong i'm kind of a sony fanboy when it comes to LAST generation, just not the ps3

Wow, lets support the company that gives piece of shit hardware, only replaces your hardware if its RROD and waiting up to a month to get it back!
YEAH! thats a benefit! It's all good if the company fixes the crap for free right?

The controller isnt that good either, the d-pad isnt a d pad but a 3rd analog stick, i have the controller plugged into my pc, and the bumpers are damn shitty as well.

I've never heard of people defending such a crappy piece of hardware just because it has halo 3 on it, wow. And it's not a very great online service, because it uhh costs money and i actually prefer psn even though it doesnt have in-game cross chat yet.

Let's see another excuse for the 360's breaking down, OH PEOPLE DONT TAKE CARE OF IT RIGHT?

And executioneer, i bet you've played zero of those games, and you call them meh just to defend whatever console youre being a fanboy of, no, they are great games, anyone with half a brain knows that just as i know that gears of war 2 is good

:rolleyes

I love sony fanboys; I really do. They're just so cuuuute!

Dammit, I can't calmly debate for Sony when the Sony Defence Force is making posts like this.

Fuck it.

SONY'S SO GAY. WAY TO DESIGN YOUR CONSOLE LIKE A GEORGE FOREMAN GRILL. HOW CAN KUTARAGI EVEN BREATHE WHEN HE'S UP ON THAT HIGH HORSE?

You'll notice that no one defending the 360 makes posts like that. I'd say most people in this thread are just enjoying watching people make asses of themselves.

the only reason i bought a 360 is because i wanted to play fallout and gta4 and didnt want to pay an extra $150 for it. the (USED) xbox i bought still hasn't rrod'd yet, so nyeah

and yeah i haven't played any of those games, because none of them have piqued my interest. MARKETING IS IMPORTANT

Well, I think Sony fans have this urge to try and defend this huge purchase they made instead of actually playing their games. If they can convince other people that they made the best choice, then they convince themselves that.

I mean, $400+ is a bit of an investment for a silly hobby.

Don't get me wrong. I still see just as many retards downvoting PS3 exclusives or PS3 versions of games on metacritic. I think it's possible to be a one console person without having to be an Internet Tough Guy, but the internet likes to prove me wrong.

Eh, I play all three consoles pretty regularly. And they all piss me off eventually.

I don't get pissed off at my xbox because it's a fucking console. It plays games and dvds, and that's all I want from it. I like the online, the games, and I also like that so many people I know own one.

Yeah, but I gotta defend Sony (and Nintendo I guess) here in that at least with their systems, you get the whole package for what you pay for. The 360 most definitely comes out as the more expensive console by far if you want to get the best performance out of it. Even the most expensive model of the 360 doesn't come with some things that the PS3 and the Wii's cheapest options do, namely an internal wi-fi adapter and in the PS3's case a Blu-Ray drive (and full backwards compatibility, at least for a little while.) The 360's wi-fi adapter costs fucking $99.99 new. If you buy an Elite console (and you should!), that's $500 dollars alone, and if you want wireless controllers with rechargable battery packs, that's another $60 right there. Even the cheapest PS3 comes with those things off the bat.

Someone should buy me a 360 and a ps3 so i can get in on this debate :(.

Just join Team Wii :D

It's not like no one else bashes consoles they don't own :rolleyes

Will you buy me a Wii?

I'd sell ya mine, but I like the virtual console. That's what I still use it for :D

I am one broke ass mother fucker anyway.

i don't have this problem cause i plugged my 360 right into the network router ;( also i don't give a fug about hd-dvd/blu-ray cause i don't have an hdtv

that is a really retarded price to pay just for a wifi adapter though, some third party should come up w/ a cheaper alternative

All i said was that the 360 fails, a lot. If you're trying to defend that, that's really really stupid, because theres no denying it.

I'm tired of your stupid, so I'll respond to your points one by one in an intelligble manner.

No more a piece of shit than any other hardware. Sony won't replace the PS3 if it finds the insides too dusty. I waited a week, tops, when my disc tray fucked up and started eating games. And yes, free is a benefit. They don't have to make it free and the fact that they did extend the warranty shows a lot of caring on their part. That and fear of a class-action lawsuit. I don't think you're old enough to understand this, but "free" overrides a lot of shit. If I could get a free Whopper for mailing in forty UPCs, and I had forty UPCs lying around my house, then I'm going to get a free Whopper, nevermind that the coupon comes some months later.

This is a matter of ergonomics in personal taste. I enjoy the 360 controller. I love the bumpers. I like how it is smoother, not having as many edges as the PS3's. The D-Pad does need work. I won't argue with you there. I also like the asymmetrical positioning of the analog sticks. But to say that the PS3's is quantifiably better is really not taking into account how people feel about the shitty triggers. Don't get me wrong, I love the Playstation controller design. I love the battery that charges via Mini-USB. I think that is fucking awesome. But, again, this is strictly a matter of personal taste and how you hold a controller.

What the fuck does Halo 3 have to do with any of this? Xbox Live is not a great online service? PSN is better? How about the fact that PSN is playing catch-up to Xbox Live in almost every field and every time PSN adds a new online feature, it is remarkably similar to one that has been on XBL for months? And your only rationale is that it's free? I am confused. You see, I didn't think you enjoyed things that were free, according to your previous argument against the 360's hardware. Maybe I am taking that wrong. I dunno. Things that cost money are TYPICALLY better than things that aren't, due to a well supported staff and lots of funding. People that are paid have a better incentive to do well and take pride in their work. I think the PSN is alright, but XBL is leaps and bounds better. I have no idea what "in game cross-chat" means, so I'd really appreciate it if you'd enlighten me.

Yes, that is exactly right. People don't treat their consoles with respect. People don't treat their computers with respect, either. They take for granted that consoles are as they always were; invulnerable. But now, consoles are more along the lines of computers. As Emu said, it is an engineering fact that as more parts are added, the capacity for error greatly increases. That and anything with a moving part will fail eventually, the date of such event depending wholly on the amount of friction involved. People have no concept that computers are just as fragile if not more than cars. You can't toss these things around. You can't block the fans and hope that it works properly. And don't give me the argument that there is enough airflow in the back of an entertainment center when the thing is 360 is shoved all the way into the back leaving one inch for airflow. That doesn't cut it.

I'm willing to bet, and correct me if I am wrong, but I don't know that Willie should be called a fanboy of the 360. He wasn't the most against the 360, but he was up there. And there overwhelming majority of those games are MEH, according to my personal opinion. Flower held my attention for all of a week. I woudn't spend more than that on a game. If it had costed more than $10, I'd have been freakin' pissed because there is no way that game is worth any more than that. 4/8 of those games are ones I seriously enjoy and one of those is one I don't even play anymore.

And Gears of War is terrible, you douche.

For the record, I'd like to point out that my 360s have gotten fucked up while under the same circumstances as my still-working PS2: sitting perfectly still on a wooden piece of furniture.

From what I've read, the problem does seem to be caused by crappy design/parts/construction of the consoles. There are apparently a couple lawsuits against Microsoft for this very reason, and if it does turn out to be the truth, I hope MS winds up losing the case. Not because I feel I'm owed something, but because hopefully, it'll establish a precedent that will encourage console makers not to make cheap shit that breaks easy.

All of this leads me to one unavoidable conclusion: The PS3 sucks.

This discussion is redundant because everyone knows the PC is the best platform.

The PS3 is a good blu-ray player with some limited gaming possibilities and the 360 is a medium for spoilt children to abuse strangers.

Sony Viral Marketing detected.

It's true, people really don't take care of their consoles. People bring their 360s to me all the time looking for tech support (not that I know how to fix any of this shit) and 90% of the time the problem is that someone knocked it over or the fan area is literally choked with dust and spider eggs.

Let's get something straight, though: The 360's hardware failures are monstrous compared to those of the PS3. That's a fact. However, Microsoft probably initially tested the 360 using people who know how to take care of a console, and not the inbred morons who actually ended up buying the thing and complaining when their hardware failed because they apparently live in mud huts. So Microsoft may have excused failtastic hardware because the failure rates were considerably lower in the laboratory. Or maybe Microsoft is honestly run by a cadre of hand-wringing Scrooges, I don't know.

That's another thing to take into account, too: The 360's primary audience is mostly targeted between those golden ages of 12-24 year old males. In other words, the most irresponsible people on the planet. The PS3 is generally targeted toward older people who are interested in the Blu-Ray features and have the means to use the hardware that most younger folk don't. For every PS3 that comes to me in awful condition, there are at least 360s that have urine stains on them.

There's certainly no denying that people are stupid. At the same time, I don't feel like that's an explanation for why failure rates are so high for this generation. Or at least why failure rates are so high outside of Florida.

The 360s probably just commit suicide because they know they won't get Killzone 2 :rolleyes

and both of my original NES systems still work perfectly

>:

And yeah, it's also a manufacturing issue. But it's incredibly easy to defend against. Or you could just send it in. Either way.

Or you can get a console that you dont have to be afraid of breaking down constantly..and the 360's that red ring dont just happen because of people not taking care of their system, it's because of faulty hardware.

Microsoft rushed it out to market and see what happened? Vista had the same dilemma when it first launched.
The only thing i see Xbox Live having over PSN is in-game cross voice chat, being able to send voice messages and in-game invites, and i dont think thats ever worth 50 dollars, microsoft tried to do it on the pc and guess what, no one paid 50 dollars for it.

And to say a service is somehow better because you pay for it, thats not true, Valve doesnt charge you to use steam and its services, right? That's because they make money off games on the service they sell.
And guess what, theres a store on the ps3! They make money off that and they do constantly add new features and listen to the fans.

:lol

I've said my piece and now I am done.

Yeah: don't turn on your 360 or expose it to any heat.


People, please. It's ok to like the 360 while still acknowledging that each console has a certain chance of bricking. The reason people put up with it is because of the great gaming experience when it does work.

I'd rather play a system that has games I want and dies then a system that doesn't die and has shit for games. :\

I don't know, i'd rather have a system with actual variety other than just Halo 3 and Gears of War 2, i have enough shooters on the PC.

Every console is shit.

http://www.gamesradar.com/f/10-reaso...32717493323082

Also, Microshock, you don't need to vehemently defend the PS3. Sony's a grown up.

I have never seen someone who has an entire persona built around fanboyism.

Then you met Microshock.

Also, CELL PROCESSOR! Yeah, how you gonna beat that?!

Is that a component of your PS3, or some game?

I know I could easily open another browser tab and look it up myself but, meh.

Yeah man the CELL PROCESSOR which gives developers the unique ability to make their cross-platform games look slightly worse than the 360 and much worse than the PC, how are you gonna' beat that?

Dr. Boogie: it's the CPU of the PS3 which is supposedly powerful but no twat can figure out how to use it properly so in practical terms it's about as good as the 360, maybe slightly less so.

I hope you're being facetious...

more like sickle cell anemia processor right guys

Also Blu-ray, 6 times the quality of DVD. That's what you've been seeing for a decade times 6.
Also, Wi-Fi, built in!
And rechargable controllers with the battery packs built in!
And did i mention the CELL PROCESSOR!?

You're kidding now, I see that. Just stop it.

Kidding?! Why would i kid about the power of the cell processor?! IM SUCH A FANBOY! LOOK AT ME!

DANCE PUPPET, DANCE!

I heard that up to ninety percent of the PS3 sales were made by confused people!

I've had more than one person tell me they bought the PS3 for the Bluetooth and to this day I have no idea what that means

My brother just bought a sony viao. It can use a bluetooth mouse. We were trying to figure out if that is a good thing or not. Isn't just another wirless protocol? I have wireless mouse and keyboard, but the come with an adapter that plugs into my usb. I guess bluetooth would keep that usb port free, but is it as fast as my adapter setup? That is the question I have running in my head.

It's pretty good to have bluetooth support as you can easily hook up a bluetooth keyboard and use it with the web-browser or whatever, or even pull media off certain devices but it's hard to imagine anyone buying a PS3 specifically for the bluetooth support :/

Bluetooth is a unified standard. That is its edge. It's also crack-able.

bt-audit is one of the reasons I don't own a cell phone.

They probably meant Blu-Ray. Just illustrating that 85% of the people who buy video games are uninformed fucks.

Well you can set up a lot of stuff up with the PS3, since it's such a good media center, people buy it for that purpose and then get into games because they realize, oh it plays AMAZING GAMES!

Did i mention, NON PROPRIETARY HARDWARE and a FREE built in browser?!?!?!

It's okay, folks! He's just kidding!

I am not kidding about the ability to use A LOT OF THINGS YOU BOUGHT in your HOUSE on the PS3 instead of buying some piece of shit white plastic microphone or harddrive you can only use on the 360.
The browser is also great for watching Hulu and Youtube on your TV, yes you can use a ton of different things to do that but its built into the ps3, and it's not free on the wii anymore.
Also, controllers with built in rechargable batteries, you know for those people that dont really want to buy batteries or rechargable ones at that.

Oh really? Because I just stream all that stuff from my computer to my xbox and watch it on my tv. Sounds pretty much like the same exact thing. I wonder what the difference can be.... Oh yea! The extra $200 bucks I have in my wallet.

This whole thread is making me wish my 360 was fixed. Sure, it only had Halo and Gears of War, but it's either that, or play Lair on a PS3.

Alright, microbrat's whining is past the point where it's funny and it's only annoying now.

No i think that was wasted on xbox live, an hdd and maybe even wi-fi

See? If there isn't a rule about rampant fanboyism, there fucking should be. Or just ban this one.

Yeah Zomboid, i thought you mentioned about 10 times that im a fanboy! A PC/PS3 loving fanboy!

You remind me of this real winner of a kid that I went to Jr High with. He was a pretty ugly kid, not very bright, but he always tried to join in on stuff with my friends and I. Normally, we might've been willing to let him hang out with us, despite all of his obvious flaws, but this kid was ALWAYS talking about how great fucking Nike is. It was so annoying, but this kid never fucking shut up about it and he always tried to steer the conversation in that way. Eventually, he must've wised up and realized that no one liked him, 'cause he fucked off.

When is your moment of clarity going to occur?

Sounds like you made up a great story to try to hurt me in some way? Maybe you should bring up something to the table other than "OH let me write something witty and clever, maybe the others on here will accept me"
Stop trying to make this forum a mini 4-chan.

It's a true story. Guy's name was Scott. He now climbs power poles, or something like that, for a living.

Thing is, I don't have to make up a fucking thing to make you look like the little brat that you are, because you keep doing it yourself with every single post.

And yeah, you caught me with the 4chan thing. I love that shit and I'm trying to change these forums by... "making up stories."

The rule about ranting fanboyism is that it belongs in this damn thread.


And Micro, he raises a valid point: you keep going on and on about the PS3, but you've driven away any support you might have had with your fanatical devotion. At this point, everyone is more or less just saying whatever they can to annoy you.

Why even bother with this anymore? Are you hoping that the people who like the 360 will suddenly cave in and buy a PS3 because you finally wrote "the 360 has no games, the PS3 has powa!" enough times to break them down?

Is there something wrong with being witty and clever?

The point is, people say stupid shit on here like " the 40 plus percent of 360's that failed are obviously people that dont give a shit about their console, right? not shitty hardware or anything"

I don't think i've said anything wrong about the ps3 if im talking about purely hardware, my opinions like i think the games are better aren't facts.
And if i was a true ps3 fanboy, i wouldnt love playing on the pc as well.

And no there's nothing wrong with being witty and clever but zomboid repeatedly tries, i swear he spends like 15 minutes at the keyboard muttering , "no, thats not right"

Nah, it comes naturally to those of us who don't spend 95% of our thought processes on video game consoles.

You've said that it has a lot of great exclusives. ;/


That's a pretty weak dodge in the face of all the rampant fanboyisms you harp on.

Micro, if it takes you 15 minutes to come up with a story about an annoying kid you used to know, chances are you were that kid to somebody else.

I know the 360 has good qualities but it has so many bad qualities that it's just another Xbox 1 to me and i regretted having that because it had none of the great unique games that were on the playstation 2.
The games that are on the xbox 360 that are of any quality and EXCLUSIVE, is halo 3 and gears of war 2 and maybe even banjo kazooie.
This is just like the Xbox 1 in which it had Halo 1 and 2 and Chronicles of Riddick and Conker and whatever multiplatform games it had.

Read over what i write and maybe you will see that i do have a point behind what i say, get over yourselves

So now we finally get to the heart of the matter: you don't like the 360 because an xbox burned you in the past.


Seriously, though, here's the deal: your points about the PS3 having great hardware are irrelevant. Hardly anyone can work with them, and even when they do, the difference is negligible. It costs the most of any console. It no longer has any backwards capability. And sixaxis is a silly gimmick. And you, you talk about hating console shooters like Halo and Gears of War, then you turn around and heap praise onto Killzone 2.

But you know what? Everything I just listed is irrelevant. It's irrelevant because console war threads are intractable and dull, and you are incapable of even talking about the PS3 without devolving into a defensive annoying little twit. For you, the 360 is a machine that plays Halo for 5 minutes before bursting into flames, and the PS3 is a machine that converts nuclear waste into a cure for cancer.


That's why your posts on the issue deserve no more than an emoticon and a derisive remark.

I think once you say "That console sucks and if you disagree, you're stupid", then any followup argument you have is pretty much null and void.