Question:

Does Peter Orzsag head the committee that will ration the care of the American people?

Answer please.

Yes.

Oh very good. Quite a mature and convincing argument.

You should join the debate team.

I am the debate team. :rock

Thank you. You can lock the thread now.

So you admit that you're wrong?

Oh wait, no, you were just acting like a child pretending that they were right because they are too ashamed to admit that they were wrong.

Original Question:

Do Death Panels Exist in the new Obama Health care bill??


Fin.

Rationing of care does not equal a death panel. You are too stupid or arrogant to understand/admit this.

Fin.

Didn't you just admit a little while ago that private insurance companies who deny care through their panels cause deaths?

Why wouldn't this new death panel cause deaths?

Wouldn't the previous system have a death panel then?

Rationing care has been around for YEARS! We've just called it something else. Now it's become the poster child of the Sarah Palin Drumline under the new name "death panel". Which, taken literally is a gross misrepresentation of what managed care is all about.

I'm not a fan of HMO-style managed care, but properly handled it can (in theory) help reign in the high cost of health care while ensuring the highest quality care for the greatest number.

Insurance committees don't kill people; nature does :rolleyes

Anyway.


Coolinator you are really something. If you remember correctly the original question of this thread was whether or not Obama was committing genocide through the use of fluoride in your drinking water.


Oh. Well, I guess he is. :\


Never mind.

So...why haven't we copied Canada's system yet? Our system is slow, expensive, and ineffective. Theirs is just slow. Food for thought.

Many Canadians do not believe that. It's just better than ours currently, but it isn't the fucking godlike health care system people keep saying it is. Putting it way up there on a pedistal is the worst thing you can do for the people who need this free care.

All of my Canadian friends can get healthcare if they need it. I can't say the same for us. Nothing is flawless, but they have taken a step in the right direction.

So you are saying we are not taking a step in the right direction?

This tidbit is on a sideways topic, but it's barely relevant ....

I just heard about a Gulf War veteran locally who recently suffered a stroke. Not to put too fine a point on his situation, but he needs a lot of therapy - physical, fine and gross motor and speech - to go back to living a semblance of a normal life. Apparently his prognosis is good - if he can get the therapy he needs. Trouble is, the VA won't cover him, as the stroke was not a result of his tour of duty in Iraq. Local groups are holding fundraising efforts for his family to help them offset the cost of the therapies involved, which probably total upwards of 3-5 kilobucks per month (a guesstimate).

Does he need some health coverage? :(

I've been in hospital quite a lot of times and I always feel very, very grateful that myself or my family have never had to pay for the professional, extensive and pretty damn good care I have been given. :brag

Yes, they would.

Obama's healthcare bill though makes a new health panel (Run by Peter Orzsag, 11 Government officials) that will institute federally mandated rationing that cannot be challenged.

And as you said previously, Insurance companies denial of care has led to many deaths throughout the years, this new panel which is meant to ration (I.E. Deny care) will lead to many more deaths.

This isn't about Sarah Palin. No one cares about Sarah Palin or what she says.

The question:

Does Obama's healthcare plan have a rationing panel?

Yes.

Fin.

Oh? It's a 'rationing panel' now?

All these panels... what is this, like a house or sumthin'?

:a-boooooooooooo :x

:lol

rationing, austerity, denial, pick your word....it all means the same thing.

But has it been there before now?

Answer: Yes.

So what's changed?

Answer: Nothing.