Grr the quote thing keeps breaking but this is about the banks thing.
Seriously? The burden of proof is on you, Coolinator, not him. You're the one who threw out the factoid. He's not even asking for your sources, he's just asking you which twenty banks closed this week. I mean, hell, we could all do that. Uh, 50 new hemorrhagic fevers were discovered last month. No, don't ask me for more information about them...you have an internet connection, find it yourself. |
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We attribute class to the relation one has to the economy rather than simply how much wealth they have because these terms mean something from an economic, and also historic, point of view. You do not see "the rich" being in power, or "the poor" being the base of a revolution for this reason, even though the rich may be part of the ruling class, and the poor may be part of the lower class. This is too simple, as the economy is the main structure of the society, rather than 'having money', and economic developments do not and have not come about from 'having money', rather, they come about through the interests of one class clashing with another. Capitalism did not overthrow Feudalism simply because the middle class had more money than the feudal lords, it came about because the bourgeois were controlling the economic power through trade more so than the Feudal lords were through taxes and land rights. They held economic power, so they took political power. If class simply meant wealth, then why would the word 'class' even be used? Why 'middle class' when we could just say 'middle wealthy'? Why would there be low, middle and upper class, when there are people that are more wealthy than low but not middle? Lower middle? Upper middle? Upper upper middle? I could go on. DON'T YOU SEE? YOU HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THAT CLASS MEANS WEALTH? DON'T YOU SEE? Actually, never mind. There is no point typing this and there is no point you typing a reply, because you will be completely wrong. Quote:
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What really makes me sad for this country is that a Communist Russia loving Aussie from Tasmania know more about the economic and political standing and working of our country than someone like Coolie, who actually lives here. :tear
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YOU THOUGHT HE WAS AN INDEPENDENT THINKER
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you've been reading the wrong books buddy. Nothing has changed. The "revolution" as you put it didn't change anything. There are numbers sub classes but the two main classes are this There is a ruling Oligarchy and then there is you Poor, Middle, upper middle, and upper class are economically based BUT they are all ruled the the Oligarchical financiers. Maybe I should've been a bit more clear but I didn't think this would drag on for so long. Eitherway. Your wrong. Whoever told you that pile of garbage that you just typed out is absolutely wrong. Research Oligarchy. Quote:
There has always been a small battle between labor and employers and on a bigger scale there has always been a battle between the Oligarchy and the people. Everything else is a sub-category. Quote:
Every time you say "relation with the economy" you agree with me. That's all. Please acknowledge this. Quote:
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You wont see any difference between the oligarchs of ancient slave societies based on agriculture, or the "Oligarchs" of modern capitalist society based on industry because you are a moron. There are the thinking, intelligent, often humuorous but usually on the ball members of this forum. And then there is you. Quote:
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What? When did I say anything about peasants having more political power than "wealthy financiers"? I honestly have no idea what you read in what I typed. You are insane. Quote:
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(I'll leave out "natural resources" because that is embarrassing. Oh, wait, do you mean the ownership of the means of production? The ownership of a nation's oil reserves, for example? Suddenly you have gone from "$70k a year means upper class"... to "$70k a year and owning the means of capital" which sounds like you sliding down the slippery slope of I 'was wrong but wont admit it while slowly changing my opinion') Quote:
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Even if an individual is not in a union his wages are padded by the existance of union wages no matter what. If a company doesn't offer as much if not higher wages then why would that person want to work there? That person would go work for a union instead. Why waste time at a job that is not going to pay you a living wage and pension? Unless your destitute which most people are because we are in a global depression. Hence the high unemployment, tent cities, bailouts, extension of unemployment welfare, so on and so forth. Also, Union workers who get paid more spend more, another reason why they are good for the economy. Quote:
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Dude, that's your opinion. And the opinion of several individuals who agree with you. In my opinion there is no depression, worldwide or otherwise. We disagree. Can you dig it? :rave |
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We didn't have to bailout the Investment banks because of the 1.5 Quadrillion dollars in worthless derivative paper? And....we didn't have to create a stimulus package that saved one of our last manufacturing bases: Ford & GM? And....we didn't have to extend unemployment benefits? and....we didn't have to cut social services? and....we didn't run up a 3 trillion dollar debt bill? and ....we are not in a depression....ok...i see your point now. |
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Wait! Arent you the guy who said the bailouts didnt save one single job? :confused: |
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The stimulus saved some jobs in the manufacturing sector. There is a difference between the two. Also, the UAW was busted and had to take numerous concessions. Lower pay, losing most of their pension..and so on and so forth. |
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Seriously, Coolie, I don't WANT or NEED you to agree with me. I don't particularly care if you do or not. I have an opinion, that I shared with you - either agree or disagree, but don't belittle it - in fact, when you do you are doing exactly what you accuse me of doing to you. It's an opinion. We all have 'em. |
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I was backing up your point. We aren't in a depression. The bailouts don't exist. The stimulus doesn't exist. Unemployment isn't over single digits. Everything is hunky-dory. (cracks open a beer) |
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Anyway, how does this explain what an Oligarchical Financier is? It doesn't, it's just you trying to avoid a question you don't know the answer to. Here's a tip: This makes you look like a moron much more than if you just admit you were wrong. Not that I expect you to do that. Quote:
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Because Detroit equals the world. Strangely enough, I'm not entirely convinced that Detroit has an unemployment rate that high, but that's not too important, you've moved on from unemployment rates after you saw you were wrong, and have now INGENIOUSLY turned the discussion into one about derivative paper, which, I am not embarrassed to admit, I have no idea is. This conversation is over. You just ignore what doesn't agree with you and try to weasel out of your original wrong points of view without having to admit you were wrong. You're an idiot. |
I could see Detroit having a 50% unemployment rate as only five people actually live within city limits, and one of them is a android so I don't know if he would even count as a person.
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also i didnt wan to be picky or make you feel retarded but detroit isnt a state :O maybe im just being semantical |
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YOU FOOL. YOU FOOLISH FOOL. :x |
I just read that.
Yeah, I know the capitals of all the states. Ask me the capital of Detroit. :lol2 |
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Want me to explain them to you? |
As bizarre as it may seem, no, I would rather someone that isn't bereft of a brain explain it to me.
Anyone? |
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