I'm ignoring every other retarded thing you said, but this.

If their aim is not to try to kill everyone of this national group (including themselves), it's not genocide.


Shut up now.

Once again,

The original question was "Is there really Death Panels in Obamacare" and the answer is, Yes.


I don't know why you're so hung up on this Genocide comment. Here, let me put it like this.......

The US people are a group of individuals that will be affected by the recently discovered Death panels. Meaning the American people will be allowed to die because of it. Meaning a group of individuals from a specific country will die because of the cuts in benefits.

Get it yet? Why does it have to be "everyone" to be genocide? Native Americans are still around and there was a genocide on them. Jewish people are still around and they had a genocide on them.


They are passing similar laws in other countries as well.

ONCE AGAIN! THIS PARTY NEVER ENDS!!!!

[quote=TheCoolinator;682880]Once again,

The original question was "Is there really Death Panels in Obamacare" and the answer is, Yes.

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UHHHHHHHHH no. My original question was "why are you using the term 'genocide' when only someone with severe learning disabilities would think to use it as you have?"

Because there is a difference between "being allowed to die" and the deliberate and forcible elimination of this group.

Had a genocide on them. Christ. Why am I discussing this? The genocide that was committed against those particular groups was not seen through to the end, obviously. Why would Obama target this national group that HE HIMSELF BELONGS TO? For it to be genocide against the US people (your words) then the entirety of that group has to be targeted. If it's not targeting people for their national heritage (or race, religion etc) then it's not genocide.

Dont forget "with the intent to wipe out completely"

Which ones? Certainly not mine. Most first world countries already have a working healthcare system.

That's your question not THE original question.

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they will be refusing care which may lead to death. Killing by proxy at a MASSIVE stretch.

^ Your quote.

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The US people are a group of individuals that will be affected by the recently discovered Death panels. Meaning the American people will be allowed to die because of it. Meaning a group of individuals from a specific country will die because of the cuts in benefits.

^ My quote.

This should answer your question. :sleep

"Allow to die"

Wouldn't that be....murder? on the US people....which would be....Genocide since it's a specific group of people?


ummm....Politicians who work for international companies don't care who they harm in their actions. This is common sense. Did Stalin care that he committed genocide against millions of Russian people? No. Because he was an oligarch. He ruled. He wasn't a russian. He was the Leader of the russians. I'm not saying Stalin worked for any kind of corporate enterprise but his space in history is very similar to the callous nature of our present day politicians.

And I'm an American Citizen born here in the united states. My national heritage is that of the USA. I don't understand where you're going with this. It's all very strange.

If the Death Panels (which are real) kill US Citizens then that's a genocide against the US population. No different if it was a genocide against the British or Icelandic or Russian.

By calling this a genocide you're saying that the goal of Obamacare is to kill all Americans.

"The deliberate and systematic extermination" is the part Zhukov is having trouble with. He never once said that the American people as a national group couldnt be the target of genocide. Just that they arent.

Coolie, describe in single words only the good things that come into your mind about... your mother.

An interesting point for everyone but Coolinator; most of what people think of as Stalin's "genocides" are not in fact genocides. Hundreds of thousands of people were imprisoned, executed, starved or relocated, but because Stalin was part of the team that made up what the UN considers "genocide", they omitted political views alongside race, nation, religion etc from the treatise...

So, while genocides against many ethnic peoples still went on in the USSR; against the Cossacks for example, most people killed were killed because they were an enemy of the state for political or economical reasons, rather than racial or religious ones. Interesting, huh?

Now, back to banging my head against a wall:


By your imagination Death Panels will be responsible for killing people through lack of care. Murder, as you see it. US citizens will die. They wont, however, be targeted by "Death Panels" with aim of eliminating them as a national group.

This is completely absurd.

Are Death Panels rounding up US citizens wherever they find them and killing them? Are US citizens forced to leave their country as refugees because of persecution? Are your Death Panels actively intent on destroying the nation of the USA?

Are they?


ARE THEY REALLY DOING THAT?


So if some mugger kills two people in a bungled hold up, and those two people are US citizens, is that genocide against the US population? Hell, the mugger might go out and do it again, killing three more people. Again on Sunday, killing an old lady. Genocide, right? I mean, serial killers are committing genocide against the US population. Obviously.

So, when the healthcare commission (Death panels) start rationing care, who will be affected by this?

If the answer will be the US population then wouldn't that be a form of Genocide, Murder, immoral behavior all done with malice of forethought?

Anyone else see a problem with this statement? ^^^^

Were they citizens of the USSR? Were they part of a national group of individuals? Thus....Genocide?

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gen·o·cide the deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial, political, or cultural group.

Sorry, I have to stop you right there. If you allow someone to die because of lack of care....then in a court of law that would be seen as murder. Especially when you're a public servant and your job is to protect the well being of the people whom you work for. This is common knowledge.



If you target and ration US citizens health benefits.......what do you think will happen to the individual in question when they need a serious operation and or expensive medication to continue living?



They don't need to. They'll just deny their health benefits. No need to hunt them. If they need insulin or an operation....they'll just say "no". Simple as that.....hence why they're called DEATH PANELS. lol. Wow, you're pretty dense my friend. Sharp as a marble too. :lol:

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You call it genocide, but earlier admitted that it's not. Make up your mind, dude.

As for "rationing healthcare = death panels", I was on an HMO plan about 5 years ago (before anyone ever uttered that hackneyed phrase, "death panel") that rationed my family's healthcare. GODS, WE WERE SUBJECTED TO A DEATH PANEL AND NARROWLY EXCAPED GENOCIDE!!!! WHAT'S WORSE IS THAT WE NEVER EVEN KNEW IT!!!!

Coolie, you really need to read your posts for comprehension before hitting the "submit reply" button. I'm not calling you names nor am I being mean spirited. I'm making a kind and gentle suggestion that could help you from yourself.

:|

I believe it's a form of genocide no matter how you twist my words. The rationing of care by this new commission will be a federally mandated death board. With immunities of course.

Rationing care against the US population = Genocide. Don't know how else to explain it to you people. :sleep


Why didn't you take them to court? Why didn't you fight for your family? Or find another insurance plan?

See, you need to read what's going on. From the top, The new and improved government death panel WILL be in charge of deciding what tests, treatments, cures, and surgeries are allowed. If they are NOT allowed.....pay close attention now.....then your insurance...here it comes.......WONT COVER YOU. Tada! Get it? So, they'll deny you before you even need any of these medical wonders to keep on living.

Please, Read the Article. On the Death Panels and look up Peter Orzsag

You can't explain it because it is not logical. Rationing of care is not the systematic and intended extermination of Americans. The goal of Obamacare is not for everyone to die and no more people will die from it than from the previous system.

So a deliberate and systematic rationing of care for US citizens through federally mandated Death boards is not genocide?

No, there has to be killing of some type involved, honey.

Has there been any deaths involved in the Private run Insurance death panels? If so....do you believe there will be deaths involved in the new Obamacare death panels?

The Colonel didnt twist your words. He quoted them exactly has you wrote them.

The rationing of health care doesnt equate to genocide no matter how you slice that pie.

Hell the tuskegee experiment where they knowingly and intentionally gave syphilis to a bunch of blacks and withheld medication by tricking them into taking placebos even when it resulted in death, cant be considered genocide. :folleyes




Still waiting on an answer to this.

I'm sure that there have been deaths due to lack of funds/rationing of care, and there will continue to be. This is not genocide, however, because its goal is not to kill Americans, let alone all Americans. You're just trying really hard to not be wrong.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

EVEN IF THERE ARE DEATHS INVOLVED THAT DOES NOT MEAN ITS GENOCIDE.

Coolie, as Zhukov wrote before, if a serial killer kills Americans, does such a thing constitute genocide?

Still waiting...

Or hey, even better, if a fireworks factory explodes and kills a bunch of people, does that mean that the fireworks industry is committing genocide against America?

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knowingly and intentionally rationing care for a specific nation group is a form of genocide. Especially when it comes from government appointed death boards.

Research Peter Orzsag. Please. Thank you.

Thank you.

So anytime that there is death it's genocide? HEY GUYS ANYTIME PEOPLE DIE ITS GENOCIDE IT'S OK THERE REALLY ISN'T A REASON FOR THE TERM TO EXIST SO LETS JUST USE LIKE CRAZY

You know that panel that's deliberately and systematically targeting US citizens health benefits?

Ya....I would say that's a form of genocide.

But it's targeting their health benefits. It's not killing them with the goal of eradicating all Americans. Stop genocideing me coolie, gosh. You're so genocide.

And why can't you tell us about your mother?

No. Incorrect. Wrong. Inaccurate.

Especially nothing. Genocide is genocide as genocide is genocide. Who is conducting and who is receiving it doesnt especially make more genocide-o-licious.


Orszag? What the fuck does he have to do with the definition of genocide? Or are you reverting back to trying to convince me that the rationing of health care is done by a "death panel" because of this guy? Either way its irrelevant and your still dumb.

Still waiting. >:

You don't know who Peter Orzsag is?

And you don't think a government panel rationing care of the US population (A Nationality) is genocide?

Ok. Fine with me.

:lol HEY EVERYONE LOOK AT ME I'M COOLIE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE PAPER GENOCIDE

YES FROM THIS I DEDUCE THAT DIMNOS HAS NO IDEA WHO PETER ORSZAG IS OH WAIT NO, I'M JUST TOO STUPID TO READ GENOCIDE GENOCIDE GENOCIDE:x

I just wanted to make sure we were talking about the same guy. But way to dance around to point of the conversation.

Still waiting. >:

It's ok. You'll get over it in time.

Hey Leader.... The other day my son shut his finger in the door. He wanted a band-aid but because it wasnt bleeding I didnt give him one. Is that genocide? Am I on a death panel?

I'm sorry to hear that.

You one sad mother trucker.

:rolleyes

Still waiting.

I wonder if coolie is crying yet.

I find this hilarious actually.

You guys don't know what derivatives are, don't know who Peter Orzsag is, didn't know the definition of genocide, didn't know about the death panels, still don't know what caused the global depression,...

I mean, what do you guys know? TV? Sports? Video Games?

???

I find it hilarious that you pretend that you think that we don't know what things are.

I find i hilarious that he pretends not to be a completely retarded fuck by being a completely retarded fuck.

Do we agree on there be death panels yet? :love

Peter Orzsag. <---use...google.

I think Coolie has taught us all a valuable lesson here today: You don't need to have knowledge or even facts to back your side of a debate. You don't even need to debate. All you have to do is claim to have proven your point and then you win!

No, because you're wrong and we know who Peter Orzsag is. Do you actually think that we don't know who he is or are you just being a manchild?

:?

Gargamel <-----Google him.

Damn. Missed 2 hours, and missed 2 pages. That'll teach me to get some work done. :)

Thanks, Dim, for noticing that I try to be truthful to the spirit of Coolie's messages by quoting him exactly. He should be accusing himself of twisting his own words, and not "little old me".

WA BAM!

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Come on flagg.....get over it dude. Its embarrassing.

:confused:

For Colon Flagg.

:confused:

Whoopsie. Did I hit a nerve? :lol

For the record, I've already "fixed" the HMO problem - I'm now on a PPO plan that does not require referrals. I pay quite a bit for the privilege too. >:

Also for the record, the HMO plan that you so quickly analyzed and ordered me to "take to court" was discontinued by my company, chiefly because lack of employee participation. It seems that when presented with the choice, most employees here felt that they didn't want this kind of coverage.

Just saying "no" sometimes works as well as yelling in a sarcastic humor forum - oh wait, that isn't working, now is it?

And, I read the article, and, as I said before, I think it's horseshit. :)

You're right, it is, but not for me. I'm actually enjoying this. :)

I bet next he is going to call you an idiot for not knowing what an HMO is. :lol

Short for HOMO. As in "one of THOSE people."

Right? :confused

There was an horrific accident on the road on my way to work today. A truck lost control and plowed into a family car on it's way interstate. :\

The driver of the car was killed instantly and the two passengers died later in hospital. :\

DUDE! Same fucking shit happened to me two days ago.

The driver of the truck has been accused of negligence and genocide. :\



Oh, also, I researched Peter Orszag, and it turns out that he was a lieutenant in the Chilean army during Pinochet's "caravan of death" in the 70s. Rumored to have been highly involved in "Operation Condor" as well as numerous loose trails on ranking assassinations on Soviet diplomats, he now Director of the Office of Management and Budget for President Obama, tasked with forming an elite squad of killers to head the "La muerte del panel" to eliminate the American people as a national group.

Now who looks like an idiot? I guess you guys should just read the facts once and a while.

Coolie will be so proud. You guys finally "get it." I guess I'm the one with egg on my face. :ashamed

No, I'm not upset. Somewhat disappointed, yes. But definitely not upset.

I don't know why you would take a shitty plan like that in the first place.

And I don't see healthcare as a "priviledge", I believe it to be a right. That's why I wish they just expanded medicare instead of creating this healthcare monstrosity which will effect negatively every working family in the USA.

:sleep

Wish more people would protest with their wallets like that. The main obstacle comes from having to convince people its a bad idea. Usually only after they get screwed they realize that and by that time its too late.

Ok, but can you disprove it?

Can you prove it?

I can't disprove it. :lol

Have you tried?

Yes,
Have you? :confused:

Stop being such a genocide. :rolleyes

I'm not on Obama / Orzsag's Rationing commission. So, I guess I'm innocent.

Dude, you changed my name to something derisive and derogatory. Are you sure there's not something more going on here? :Psychoanalysis

It was cheap. :dunce

I did it back when I was young, naive and foolish. About your age, in fact, coincidentally. After I had back surgery and the HMO wanted to deny me the cost of a second opinion I switched off that screwed up crap. Good thing too, as my son was less than a year old - try getting referrals for things like speech therapy. Not happening. >:

But again, this was 10+ years ago, when some guy named Clinton was getting his rocks off in the oval office. How is it that it's just now becoming cachet to call this crap "death panels"?

Answer - it's not, it's called "managed care".

In short, you're crazy if you think this isn't the way things have been for at least the last 10+ years. Nothing new or newly evil here, just the same old same old.

So in other words, you would expand an already flawed and badly mismanaged (and nearly bankrupt) government entitlement program?

Right. :rolleyes

Only insofar as I can research the facts and determine to my own satisfaction that 99% of that article is horseshit. In much the same way as you can read your blogs and columnists and post links to internet sites and determine it to be 100% accurate.

And before you quote me, please refrain from changing my words. I quote you directly, I'd appreciate it if you'd do the same. Plus, next time please spell-check and/or grammar-check your posts. With all due respect, you look like a goofball.

{there I go again, mumbling incoherently. :\}

I hope you learned your lesson. You should read things before you start paying into them. Speaking of which...did you read the Healthcare bill? It's only 3000 pages long.

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Originally Posted by Colon Flagg (Post 683168) I did it back when I was young, naive and foolish. About your age, in fact, coincidentally.

Did I hit a nerve?

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Originally Posted by Colon Flagg (Post 683168) After I had back surgery and the HMO wanted to deny me the cost of a second opinion I switched off that screwed up crap.

Switched off a plan you shouldn't have agreed to in the first place....go on...

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Originally Posted by Colon Flagg (Post 683168) But again, this was 10+ years ago, when some guy named Clinton was getting his rocks off in the oval office. How is it that it's just now becoming cachet to call this crap "death panels"?

The original question was "Does the new Obamacare Health bill contain Death Panels? "

The answer is yes. A commission of 11 government officials will head the commission and proactively deny you and others the care that they are entitled to. Worse then anything before.

This is how it works, Take notes,

The for-profit deregulated insurance companies will command the Government Officials who work on the Death Boards to find out reason to deny you certain costly procedures. Once denied, the for-profit insurance companies will just refer to the death panels to why they are denying you and your family.

Very Simple. How old are you again? And why don't you know this yet?

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Originally Posted by Colon Flagg (Post 683168) So in other words, you would expand an already flawed and badly mismanaged (and nearly bankrupt) government entitlement program?

I don't believe it's flawed, just under funded, and I agree, it is badly managed but these things can be fixed. It shouldn't be taken away, just improved upon and then expanded to compete with private insurers to force them to lower their prices while also mandating that they cannot deny care if one pays into the plan.

Healthcare fixed. Next.


I'll just take that as a "No" you can't disprove it. Call it names, yes (very mature), but disprove it, no.

If the health care bill was 100 pages fagots would complain that not enough is being done.

You can't read 3000 pages? Oh yeah, you have trouble understanding 1 paragraph.

Rabbits are prey animals. :lol:lol:lol:lol:lol

The answer is no. Not to mention you have no fucking clue what they are or are not going to do. And what the fuck do you mean "Worse then anything before"? I highly doubt you know what the fuck anyone has done before. What is the worst injury you have ever had? Did you have to try and get the government to pay for it?







If anything this will force insurance companies to up their prices just so they can survive against a government agency. If they are losing customers to cheaper government coverage and are forced to pay out more money on every little thing people claim on, they are going to go under really fucking fast.

Yes. Because anything involving the government and big business is ever that simple. :lol (There isnt an emoticon to convey how much I laughed are you stupidity. I damn near pissed my pants)

Wait? What?

If you want to a tool fine but please quit being a hypocrite at least. :rolleyes

Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide! It's a killer!

Some....call me....Tim!

Agreed.

Unfortunately, if I said this it would get ignored. Maybe you'll have better luck?

:notcountingonit

I never get tired of this clip. About 1:14 in.

OH NO I DON'T KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT SO I AM GOING TO TRY TO MAKE FUN OF COLONEL FLAGG AND KEEP ACTING LIKE I AM RIGHT MAYBE IF I KEEP IT UP I WON'T BE WRONG ANYMORE

Do we agree there is rationing panels in the new Obama Healthcare bill?

DO WE AGREE THERE IS RATIONING PANELS (AKA DEATH PANELS) IN THE NEW OBAMA HEALTHCARE BILL WHOSE INTENT IS TO SYSTEMATICALLY KILL AMERICA? I WIN YAY

You're better than this TheLeader. :love Use the force.

Rationing panels? Yes. Death panels? No.

But don't you get it Dimnos, rationing = genocide much like sheep = hammer or chair = potato. IT MAKES SENSE

I think you should research more into the Obamacare bill and the Peter Orzsag death commission.

Thanks.

OH! HOW DARE YOU MISQUOTE ME AND TWIST MY WORDS AROUND. I SOOOOOOO PUT A DAMN >: IN THERE!

YES DO MORE RESEARCH BY READING BLOGS AND WEBSITES AND TOTALLY DISREGARDING ANY ACTUAL STUDIES OR READING THE ACTUAL BILL OR LEARNING ABOUT ACTUAL LAW

THE VOICE OF THE PEOPLE IS THE TRUTH

A lot of caps going on here.

AMERICA'S HERO COOLIE CONTINUES HIS VIGILANCE

So, I proved the existence of Death Panels headed up by Peter Orzsag to ration care on the US population and TheLeader can't come to terms with this? I'm not holding it over anyones head I just told you what's going on....no need to get all bent outta shape comrade.

:lol