What can anybody here tell me about 9/11/01 war games?
 

I mostly avoid conspiracy theories and have stayed away from this one. However I've done a little reading very recently and more thn anything else I'm surprised at even left wing medias complete lack of ignorance in any aspect of the story.

Are any of you familliar with story line? That there were so many war games being staged that day that although andrews airforce base is onbly seven minutes from the Pentagon no fighter jets were available for the are space in that area for the over ninety minutes between the seocnd plane and the Pentagon strike?

Why can't I find any major media even looking at this? Is this what people were family members were yelling about during the official release of the 9/11 investigation? Why is there nothing about this in the 9/11 report at all? If there is no truth there, ie. there were no war games going on that day, or at least not a number in any way unusual for that period of time, why can't I even find that? I can find tons of major media stuff debunking the idea that there were no Jews in the twin towers, why the dead space here?

My hope is that one of you actually looked into this at some point and can help me with some links that might bring me up to speed. All I can find so far is totally indi stuff and while much of that kind of info is potentially verifiable, it takes buttloads of time.

http://www.i-mockery.net/viewtopic.php?t=14207

You probaly already saw it and was referring to that when you said to much stuff but I'm sure there is something about what your looking in there.

That's something that has always bothered me, Max. Hell, they had time to scramble aircraft before the second plane hit the second tower, nevermind the Pentagon.

Think about it. If a 767 directly hits a building in a major downtown NYC building, wouldn't you want the skies immediately patrolled, jsut as a precaution? They had the time. I believe there was about an hour gap between the first and second planes hitting.

This is the first I've heard about war games, but nothing about that day has ever sat quite right with me. It will go down as a bigger 'conspiracy theory' than the JFK assassination, and none of us will probably ever find out what really happened.

War games are what exactly? When they are doing like a 'pretend' situation?

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pentagon.html#Main

Don't know what to think about it, but my friend sent me a link for it. I have another site I'll post in a second, but doesn't necessarily cover the details of your question. Neither does that. I'm just doing boring things.

There were several war games going on that day, ie. war simulations or drills that tied up pretty much all the fighter planes on the east coast that day. What I can't find are A.) Any major media storie about it, inlcuding lefty media and B.) any info about what's the norm for war drills on any given day to see if this situation was just typical, not very typical, or bizarre.

I find it odd that the 757 that crashed into the Pentagon punched a very, very clean hole into the D or C or whatever ring of the Pentagon.

An almost perfectly round hole of about twelve feet or something in diameter.



And that Eyewitnesses never saw a plane, and reported hearing something that sounded like a missile.



And the FBI confiscating all video evidence there could have been of the plane, and never realeasing a single tape of it.

What does a missile sound like?

And most people know the difference between the sound of a missile and an airplane being dived into a building?

How are they eyewitnesses if they didn't see the plane? They didn't see a missile either. Maybe it was a UFO. :/

I have always said that the terrorists and the aliens were in cahoots. Didn't I always say that?

A missile is a fast swoosh, while an airplane is a loooooong and very loud. Commercial airliners don't just sneak up on people and then crash, no, you can hear an airplane coming from miles away.

Like I said... http://www.i-mockery.net/viewtopic.php?t=14408



Also, why was there none of this action?
http://www.compfused.com/directlink/308/

it is odd that we havn't seen ANY major media info on the wargames on 9-11. there's many a theory about why there were wargames going on that day yet very little info.. anyway, from what i've heard, it was Nico Haupt that outed the story via the global free press which was picked up by Michael Ruppert ..
buried in this link are several from the global free press.. i don't know much about them but here's the link:
http://www.apfn.net/messageboard/06-...on.cgi.14.html
Ruppert on the subject.. again via global free press:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/fre...ipod_fema.html

for another interesting look at 9-11 checkout the 'scientific' view at:
http://physics911.org/net/[/url]

aparently the reason for the small hole is that most of the plane crumped or incinirated or something. and because of the strength of the walls it was forced through the small opening caused by the front of the place. but the fbi taking tapes away is suspicious...

it seems that the pentagon is all but forgotten as well, especially when compared to the WTC.

but i all realism, there probobly is no grassy knoll (as there wasnt for JFK as it has been proven. or is that what they want us to think :)) in this case, consiriousies are probobly far less likely than you would want to belive.

I seriously think a UFO(aliens :) ) is more likely then Bush firing a missile at the pentagon.

Maybe Cheny and Bin laden and the oil business teamed up with the semi secreat society Skulls and Bones. That means no matter who wins its one of their guys!!!! :chatter

Much as I love conspiracies, there is a lot of guff talked about this. The fact is, there are TONS of eyewiynesses on the public record who saw a plane flying incredibly low towards the pentagon, and whilst there was a small neat hole, the plane impacted at 500 miles an hour, with all its fule carried in the wings. The wings incinerate and are pushed back on to the body of the plane on impact. I am not saying there wasn't something weird going on, but I think its reasonable to presume a plane did hit that building.

So Spectre where did you hear that eyewitnesses didn't see a plane?

I've seen this statement that the wings were pushed back more than a few times now and i find it astounding that anyone could believe that traveling between 300 and 500 miles per hour, the wings, loaded with fuel, could do anthing but blow up and do some damage to the pentagon. you seriously believe they didn't do any damage to the building on impact??! how the hell could they fold back at that speed? or how would they incinerate AND fold back then not leave hardly a scratch?

who was your gradeschool science teacher, a cartoon maybe?

really.. the story makes the building seem like it was a giant vacuum that just sucked the plane into the hole.

i think the whole 9/11 attack and the belief in the official story is a testament to how bad our science education is in America.

as for witnesses, i've read many conflicting reports.. some say there are 'tons' of witnesses that a passenger plane flew by them and into the pentagon but i could only find a few.. the highway nearby was suposedly full of people .. there should be more than a few witnesses, but i havn't seen them coming forward. [/quote]

I also find it extremely odd that thousands upon thousands of galons of airplane fuel didn't turn the crash site into a gigantic sea of fire, as Ranxer pointed out.

And have you seen the hole? A 757 would never, under any circumstances, fit through that hole unless it would have been stretched out like spaghetti.

yehaw, great compilation of info! man, i hope this stuff gets some press before the election.

So Ran or Spectre is it likely that there were terrorists planning to hijack planes but we knew of it in advance and took advantage of the situation and attacked ourselves. Because that would atleast explain why our "intelligence" was so bad it didn't stop the hijackers.

You should also consider that our "intelligence" has never been good enough to actually predict ANYTHING, Ant. The CIA's predecessor was formed after Pearl Harbor in order to predict such future events. So far, the list of events that surprised the CIA is pretty long, including (hardly a complete list) stuff like China's involvement in Korea and Vietnam, the Berlin Wall's construction and destruction, the fall of the USSR... oh yeah... and that there would be no WMD stockpiles just sitting around in Iraq when our troops arrived to flower parades.

Is it possible we accidentally fired a missile in the vicinty of the pentagon (some pilot or ground crew scared shitless jumping the gun?) and lumped the balme onto the already guilty Al Quaeda rather than admit that during the height of the terrorist ttack we bombed our own Pentagon?

Possible, Yes. Possible to keep secret, doubtful.

Eventually all information is available. Unfortunately, the concept of National Security has expanded to shroud anything anyone with some sort of pull wants to keep quiet, so it'll be a long time before we know exactly why the WTC towers fell, though I doubt our own government had anything at all to do with it.

I'd find it much more likely that, since the damage done to the Pentagon was so relatively minor, there were explosives planted ahead of time in the Towers, possibly by a contractor working on a remodeling project.

I just find the idea that our government, or anybody else's, could pull off any sort of massive conspiracy without detection silly, especially when I figure in for all the obviously stupid things various "plugged-in" folks have tried to get away with and been caught at.

The first paragraph confuses me just because it doesnt seem like the different parts of the sentence fit properly together.
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And it hasn't gone undetected! Ran and others have discovered.

I do think Burbanks theory is more probable then Cheny and his oil buddies doing it.

I also don't think the FBI confiscating tapes is really suspicious. I mean our government likes to keep incidents kinda secret. I mean for gods sake Lincolns assassination files are still classified so theres no chance we will ever see kennedys. But I am interested in these types of theories but right now the US story makes the most sense when put together so that why I asked Ran on what he thinks about each thing.

Maybe Lincoln never died and was frozen and the terrorists got him and 911 was his idea.

1st parargraph:

The damage done to the Pentagon was much less than that to the WTC towers, though the Pentagon was also struck with a plane. I'd find it much more likely that there were explosives planted ahead of time in the Towers than I would the Pentagon was hit by a missle. It's possible that a "contractor" working on a "remodeling project" within the WTC snuck in a bunch of explosives, kinda like the terrorists did at that Russian School.

i do have theories about what actually happened but they are just theories.. i don't really want to go off too far into what i think happened, my point is that the official story is a lie. the ideas that that lie leads to go off in all kinds of directions.
we have information like the northwoods documents that actually discuss attacking ourselves with blame being placed on enemies that we would like to get rid of etc. so there is precedence for this stuff but again.. i'm trying to stick to breaking down the lie that the administration has been telling.

much of what i think will be written off as conspiracy theory.. but just like racism or anti-semitism the conspiracy card is used to shut people up. even the anti-bushite left is keeping a lid on 9/11 by calling questioners conspiracy nuts and refusing to look at the questions. we've got a loong way to go before these questions are even thought about in the mainstream press and i find it a damn shame because the questions are so blaringly obvious to many people.

why would the bush administration refuse investigations or questioning about 9/11? just to mess with suspicious people? i don't get it. why did bush appoint henry kissenger to head the investigation? why wouldnt bush testify by himself? why was his and cheneys testimony not recorded and notes by the questioners confiscated after the interview? do you really think that 9/11 investigations open holes in our national security? it sure stinks to my nose. but then again i come from a background of not trusting 70% of what comes out of our corporate governments press releases because as we all know they are politicians and as some of us know they are beholden to large corporations. Why is it that the right wing can't trust the government to dish out healthcare yet they can trust the government to keep a suitcase nuke out of the country? oh yea, and why do 49% of New Yorkers believe that the bush admin knew of the attack and consciously did nothing?
damn, what a mess. >:[/quote]

Yeah, nobody's paying attention to the post I linked.


Not that I expect anyone to pay any more attention to me NOW.

So if that plane didnt hit the pentagon, where is it? what happened to it?

good question dole. i suggest you ask the bush administration, or write your local paper. but you won't get an answer either way. If it didn't reach it's destination, it didn't hit the pentagon, and it wasn't just arab hijackers but partly inside job then we're dealing with something akin to terrorism but something much more cold blooded than a suicide bomber.
it's a massive crime that we need to unravel but many people are trying to stick to analyzing the official story and avoiding the 'well then, what happened to the passengers?' questions.

Even if it DID hit the Pentagon, where was it? Did you see any wreckage belonging to a 757? I sure as hell didn't, and a plane as large as a 757 would at least have left huge chunks of hull littered around the crash site.

So what is the theory behind the one that crashed in penn?