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2011 NCAA Football Thread
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/co....html?r=sports
Apparently, Tressel knew about the tatoo thing since April. His defense as I read it elsewhere was he was informed of this at the time by a lawyer via letter and thought is was supposed to be part of a later deposition so he kept quiet. All that being said, he did get a sizable fine and a 2 game suspension. The writer of the previous article is whining though saying he should be fired and that other coaches would have been. How often do coaches get fired though over things like this? Not very, and there are violations all the time. They didn't fire Dick Rod from MU for his practice violations. (he had to suck for multiple seasons to get fired) I can't help but notice Gene Chizik is still employed after the Cam Newton thing. To say other coaches would be fired is an absurd anti OSU agenda driven statement. And where was this 'journalist' when Pete Caroll ran like a coward to the NFL mere days before the NCAA dropped the hammer on USC? I don't recall seeing any take from Dick Weiss, or anyone else in the sports media for that matter, on what was clearly a coach fleeing from what he caused. At least Tressel stayed and faced the NCAA, he didn't suddenly take a job at San Fransisco. |
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As for as Chizik is concerned, he did nothing wrong. The issue with Newton and his pimp father regarded his recruitment by Mississippi State, not Auburn. Auburn's house of cards will come tumbling down in due time (for other nefarious reasons) but as far as we know Chizik's hands were clean of the Newton mess. Carroll's situation can't be used as precedent here either as his issues were all speculation. In all likelihood he probably knew about the Bush fiasco but the only evidence they had that implicated anyone on the USC staff was some dirt onthe RB coach I believe (who was fired after). I could be wrong on specifics but i'm pretty sure it went down this way. Tressell's case is much different because we have actual emails that prove his wrongdoing. Add that to the contract terms I mentioned prior and you have actual evidence that implicates him, not mere speculation. For what it's worth, i've generally rooted for OSU football as I HATE Michigan and they are the only B10 team that consistently competes in the Top 10 but the sweater vest was busted red handed this time. The NCAA does not take kindly to being lied to and I hope they come down even harder on Tressell for it. Tressell is no different than many other dirty coaches and his actions have proved that, not an anti-osu bias. |
Put it another way, had this been an SEC coach it would have been a no story, plain and simple
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Sounds like your endorsing media inconsistency
Personally I prefer to call media inconsistency out. They will continue to report in this cherry pick style that shelters the semi pro league known as the SEC as long as everyone lets them get away with it. But it isn't just the media, the NCAA gets their panties in a wad because student athletes sell some stuff to a tatoo parlor, yet when Cam Newton gets paid to play (and don't kid yourself there, he was paid to play no matter how the SEC and his father choose to spin it) the NCAA says it is no problem at all, we have no plans to pursue this. Which pretty much put the NCAA stamp of approval on the SEC paying athletes through precedent. Had Prior and co played for LSU, Florida, et all, the NCAA would have 'no plans to pursue this' too. But the Big 10 is not as glamorous so they don't get to have as many perks. If the NCAA wants to enforce the purity of collegiate athletics, perhaps they should lead by example. Failing that, they should go the rest of the way, declare themselves a true business and start following the laws other businesses have to. Like being a monopoly, paying taxes, and all the other stuff they seem to get away with in the current fucked up system they have somehow managed to grow. |
The media is biased, that's nothing new. But, that doesn't change the fact that Jim Tressell is a dirty coach. The emails and his lies have proved that much. That is the important issue at hand here.
Show me the hard evidence that Gene Chizik and his staff paid Cam Newton or his father for Newton play at Auburn. You can't, you're pulling crap out of the air to try prove a point. If you want to go that way I can also say that OSU got off easy. 2 game suspension and 8% salary reduction for lying to your bosses, blatantly violating the terms of your contract, and attempting to sweep up major violations under the rug? I can sit here as a fan of a football program that has been mediocre to awful for the last 40 years and say that had this happen to Minnesota, there would much more hell to pay. It's funny to hear OSU fans and their "us against the world" outlook when it seems that everyone outside of Columbus feels the opposite. Explain to me how suspending 5 players for the NEXT season but allowing them to play in a BCS bowl game isn't complete bullshit? Oh I now, it's because Tressell was so desperate for that illusive SEC win that he was willing to throw integrity and his own self-built image out the window by letting those guys play. I guess I really can't blame him though as OSU gets demolished had the players been suspended. It's a load cf crap and the NCAA is once again turning a blind eye to one of the big dogs. You can bitch and moan all you want about Cam Newton and the SEC and how everyone is trying to gang up on OSU but it doesn't change the fact that JIM TRESSELL IS A HYPOCRITE AND A DIRTY COACH. He's had a trail of suspicion going back to his YSU days. If you want anyone to complain about in this whole situation it's your dirty coach who tried to cover-up major ncaa violations. |
Speaking of Auburn, 4 players were booted off the team today for being naughty naughty boys:
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Follow the money, you'll see what really goes on and how the NCAA is really ran. You see a dirty coach, I see a pragmatic man who decided that if the SEC can get away with it in the open, then why should he not try to get some stuff over on the sly to level the field. The reason the SEC's actions are constantly swept under the rug is they make the NCAA a load of cash. Follow the money and you see why Gee didn't bother with a larger punishment against Tressel. This is why if the NCAA drops the hammer on OSU they are being hypocrites and favoring the SEC. They created this mess when they got in bed with the BCS and now they have to balance the spinning plates they created. And as for the pulling stuff out of thin air, Auburn knew about Cam Newton's past, and if they did not they are very bad at research. Yet they pushed their chips to the table and kept him playing anyway. The reason? Because there was a ton of money to be made and a national championship to be won. Follow the money. You say Tressel is dirty but he's not unique, for example Pete Carrol fled to the NFL when he saw the writing on the wall. Speaking of fleeing what is Urban Meyer fleeing from? Because I don't for a second buy his reason for his abrupt departure. If I can see that sitting here, you bet the NCAA can too. But you can also bet there's more than a good chance they will not be pursuing it further (just like with Auburn). Not if you follow the money. |
2011 NCAA Bracket Nonsense
The link doesn't work for me. It is an error message saying I am not a member. I've been away a long time, but I am now back but on parole.
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You can put as much lipstick on the pig as you want, but Tressell is a hypocrite and a dirty coach. He's now joined the ranks with the rest of the crooked SEC coaches that Buckeye fans so gloriously championed him to be above. Just take off the blinders and read this article, which I feel is the best opinion on the issue: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...siextra_030911 |
Tressell...Antichrist?
I agree that Tressell holds the same regard as other coaches with similar transgressions. But see this: Ohio State is and continues to be under the fingernail scrutiny of every media outlet--especially ESPN--in the country. And to think that SEC prejudice in football doesn't exist is blindness. I believe that OSU endeavors to protect JT with the same vigor that it endears Griffin's two Heismans. The OSU sports program as a whole has suffered its share of deserved or otherwise hammering in the past, and as the AD and boosters see in the media, whatever measures that can lead to a lessening of impact would be welcomed. This would be true at any school. So, yes, Tressell has his skeletons hidden behind his scarlet vest and occasional thin glasses. But don't be so quick in including him in what is already a crowded pool.
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He's a Gopher fan, this is his revenge wet dream for the constant and repeated pounding OSU gives them over the decades. :lol
When you school's best accomplishment is loaning your stadium to the Vikings for a week Schadenfreude is really all you have :lol |
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For what it's worth, there are only 2 other school in the Big Ten that have more national championships than Minnesota. |
Personal? They were jokes. You saw the :lol s didn't you? This is still i-mockery isn't it?
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Also if you don't think a 250k fine isn't a big punishment, is it ok if I borrow 250k from you? :lol
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Also, when do we have to start calling the Big 10 the Big 12?
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Badgers do OK though, they seem to have OSU's number...
come to think of it, we don't need a Sconnie fan in here pissing further in my cornflakes :lol |
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Under Pressure
The bottom line is this: we are all human. The college sports world in particular is a demanding and unforgiving sort--i.e. Oklahoma just fired Capel in a season fraught with coaching changes. AD's, coaches and even university presidents are under pressure to keep the NCAA ATMs running. It may be wrong to bend the rules, but it is understandable given the climate.
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Herbstreit Forced Out
Ha! Look at this. Former Buckeye and now talking head Kirk Herbstreit has moved from Columbus to Nashville.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...urn=ncaaf-wp39 |
Never really did like that Herbstreit guy.
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Nobody in Columbus likes Herbstreit though
Used to be one guy that did but he moved to Nashville :lol |
Wasn't he a pretty disappointing quarterback?
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He was a notch below Germain's skill level if memory serves
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Herbstreit's Stats
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That's even less impressive than I remember
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Wrong thread edit
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Jim Tressell in more hot water:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6257370 |
Remember the 13 year old that Lane Kiffin offered last year? Well now the kid has attended his first practice. Go Lane!
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...lks-usc-offer/ |
Does the kid have an agent yet?
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If he is doing radio interviews he has a handler at least
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So, then. Everyone is bending the rules. Or found a loophole they could drive a Big Wheel through anyway.
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the NCAA is turning into Disney.
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I hate Kiffen and I think he's morally wrong here but no rules were broken. |
I wonder if a new rule will be implemented because of this?
The real laugh here is how do we really know this 8th grader's talent won't plateau early? If it does won't Lane look the fool |
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It'll be interesting to see how this whole thing plays out in 4 years. |
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Could this be the tip of the iceberg? I still predict that Auburn will eventually lose their crystal ball.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...details-032911 |
They may lose the ball, but not that bowl money they got for it. I think they both knew/didn't care about it
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In the spirit of the end of March Madness, here is One Shining Moment college football edition:
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Here's a great article on what could potentially fix some of the problems in college football that are really coming to the forefront lately:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...ty-on-the-line BTW, if you have the CBS College Sports network, the author, Tony Barnhart, has a great hour long show during the season that's definitely worth checking out. He actually focuses on the game of football and even delves into a little bit of politics (as they pertain to the game). |
Jason Whitlock had a few interesting things to say about college athletics. His argument for paying college football and basketball mens athletes was interesting. He even has a pretty simple but effective counterargument for the 'well if you pay college football and basketball mens athletes you need to pay all the other sports'. That counterargument was 'capitalism works like this: if you draw a crowd and make money, you deserve to be paid, if you don't, then you do not deserve to be paid'
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I'm a big fan of rewarding revenue sports but then we'd have every woman and member of academia screaming to high heaven about Title IX and that's a mess that i'm sure most universities wouldn't want a part of.
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My initial thought was "they can't ba serious" - but apparently they were.
Classless does not adequately describe that post. |
Seems more like an onion article doesn't it?
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Bombshell, Columbus Ohio. Jim Tressel has resigned
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6606999 I defended him in the past but now I am convinced he has decided to flee much like Pete Carroll did. Now I am forced to sit and dread what else he did because I am now sure there will be more to come and Tressel has fled from it |
SI has an interesting take on his resignation:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...&sct=hp_t11_a2 Also rumors are heating up on the interwebs that SI is going to publish a "damning" story tonight on OSU's football program. Doubtful they get punished any worse than USC, IMO. |
Here's a pretty good timeline of Tressel's career:
http://genuinelysarcastic.blogspot.c...tting-lie.html |
They'd better not anyway, or all the things I have thought about the NCAA will be proven right
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Usher in Urban Meyer. A local boy who got his first start in coaching at Ohio State. Would definitely be interesting.
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God I hope not
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The only way I see Meyer coaching at OSU is as the replacement for whoever they hire after Tressell. No way do I see Meyer coaching his first few years at a school under probation, scholarship reductions, etc.
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Shit is bout to get a whole lot worse:
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content...05/30/zzz.html |
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And boom goes the dynamite:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...sel/index.html Oh Tressell you hound! Quote:
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Tressel is in prestigious company. Like Urban Meyers and Pete Carroll before he bravely ran away away
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So have the Buckeye faithful turned on Pryor yet? I saw pics of his nice shiny 350Z that he drove to a player's only meeting last night and supposedly some network is going to run another damning story on him and his chronies. Something about pictures of some sticky and some guns.
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Actually I don't think it makes a difference if the fans turned on him or not now he is pretty much done playing for OSU
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The guy was trouble when during his recruitment he held a press conference to announce that he was delaying his commitment press conference. Also Charlie Batch was his mentor during the process so there ya go.
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You're just pissed because Minnesota has a poor collegiate football program.
All that aside, Ohio State is a legendary program and will rebuild itself to be at the top again. Bob Stoops, Jon Gruden, Urban Meyer, etc... names of such can only promote a optimistic view on the bleak future provided for what is to be Ohio State's new football program, but one thing is for certain. OSU will indefinitely put its self in the position to be a worthy contender year in and year out, no matter what the circumstances may be. |
While Minnesota does have a struggling program, Whiterat has been accurate, Prior is trouble, Tressel cheats, and as it turns out, Tressel lied about his integrity as well which is the biggest slap in the face of all. If Whiterat is pissed about anything it is that this put a black mark in the Big 10's rep, and let's face it he is right about that.
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Oh, and I will wager a banning from I-Mockery that NONE of these three will be coaching at OSU in 2011 or 2012. I don't see how any accomplished coach would want to take over a program that is likely going to be saddled with what is appearing to be the dreaded "lack of institutional control" tag from the NCAA. Yes OSU will rebound, they are an elite program, but unfortunately there might be a few pothole filled years on the road back to the top. Care to take me up on that? Quote:
And for what it's worth, I feel your pain as 2 years removed from a Big 10 Championship and a Final Four appearance, the very same guy that wrote the recent SI article exposed a massive academic scandal within the men's basketball program that crippled it for years. http://news.minnesota.publicradio.or...room_cheating/ |
PSU will get some of that benefit too I assure you, even Illinois will reap some reward from this fallout
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Minor twist in the SI story, according to this they may not have all their facts straight
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Bottom line is if this is true and SI fabricated some of the facts for this article, it will result in a shitstorm where those like me who have maintained the media has favorites in sports and those darling schools get a blind eye turned on their wrongdoing while Big 10 schools get put under a constant microscopic surveillance, will be out in force because this would put a piece of valid proof that our theory is correct out there. |
For what it's worth, the SI author, George Dohrmann won a Pulitzer Prize in 2000 for exposing the academic scandal within the Minnesota men's basketball program, so I'm hard pressed to believe that he simply fabricated information.
Even if you throw those allegations out the window, there still is this whole matter: http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/docs-o...mpliance-29737 There's simply too much smoke at OSU right now for there to be no fire. |
Probably right, I was simply saying that if there was even a little fabrication (and if these 2 dads are accurate in their statement there is) it will call the whole article into question, and will make people question why SI published it and further supported it in the first place. Especially when every football program south of the Mason-Dixon line has smoke of their own, most of which have gone not investigated by any media outlet for years.
The more this sort of stuff goes on, the more I think the whole system needs to change, if we are going to treat men's college football and basketball like a business, we have to start paying all its employees. Right now the NCAA gets away with not only being a monopoly but it also gets away with labor working below minimum wage (in fact the athletes work for the minimumest of wages :chappelleshow.) These 'football interns' work for a slight chance to go pro, but most of them never will go pro. The NCAA pretty much promotes slavery when they promote these draconian policies. |
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Many "experts" seem to think that MSU now has the upper hand in the BigWhatever. They return seven offensive and six D players, but lost Mark Dell and some key O-liners. Plus they start a couple of new secondary replacements and LB newbies. But Cousins will probably be one of the premier QBs in the conference if Dantonio can input the right people at the line...plus the Spartan RB corp returns in full.
On D, Worthy returns despite the LB issues, and the team is tough up the middle. But not at the outside. They also start some talented youth at secondary. Their schedule is not too bad, with the tougher teams and a discredited and weakened Buckeye team early. My choice? How about Nebraska? |
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I honestly believe defensive coordinator Luke Fickell is going to do an amazing job on both sides of the ball. I think you're going to see Barry and Hall run an explosive spread type offense with Braxton Miller engineering as the quarterback which seems to be a more practical and balanced duel threat QB (for atleast the first 5 games, quite possibly the whole season). I think Fickell is really going to utilize these guys, along with others, more than you would see in a Tressel style offense. Regardless, it is all about adapting for both the players and coach in a year full of turmoil.
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OSU isn't the only program with issues right now as WVU has forced out Bill Stewart allowing coach-in-waiting Dana Holgerson to take over a year earlier than planned. Gotta love how Stewart dug his own grave: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...ia-head-coach/ |
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Oh yeah, ESPN is loving this. It's what they have been wishing for for at least 9 years now
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So Pryor (in the ultimate match made in heaven) has signed Drew Rosenhaus as his manager.
First let me say :puke Then let me say :x I would like to add :suicide That is all |
I'm curious to see which 1st round pick a team is willing to give up to draft Pryor because Rosenhaus is convinced that's where he's going.
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Pryor is going to be on an ESPN special
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Looks like Oregon is the next program that could be in a heap of trouble. Chip Kelly may be going the way of the Vest:
http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...with-recruits/ |
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Alright Buckeye fans this might be taking things just a little too far:
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I seriously hope that shit was in the dudes will, otherwise ew
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![]() ![]() ![]() Fall is creeping ever so closer and with falling leaves and sweatshirt weather comes the great sport of college football. This off-season was one of the craziest in recent memory. Huge scandals in Columbus and Coral Gables, accusations of wrongdoing in Eugene and Baton Rouge, coaches unexpectedly fired (Bill Stewart at WVU and Butch Davis at UNC), and more conference musical chairs made for pure entertainment the past 8 months. Here's a quick refresher or for those who don't know the difference between FBS and FCS, a good primer. ![]() Let's take a quick look back at last season. Auburn, led by Cam ($Cam, as Bama fans like to say) Newton, won the BCS National Championship over the mighty Ducks of Oregon. Newton went on to be the number pick in the NFL Draft. TCU also finished out the season unbeaten with a win over Wisconsin the Rose Bowl. Another possible BCS spoiler, Boise State, had it's season crushed underfoot like a 6 inch heel and a testicle, with a stunning loss on the road to Nevada in the regular season. Nebraska, Utah, and Colorado bid farewell to the Big 12 and Mtn. West respectively as they enter new conferences this year. Nebraska joins the B1G while the Utes and Buffs join the newly minted Pac-12. The Big 12 now becomes the Big 12-2=10. Here's how the final AP poll shook out: ![]() The Scandals Now on to the scandals. Nobody died when Tressell lied, but his coverup of several players receiving several impermissible benefits cost him his job. Several players were suspended for part of the season including star QB Terrelle Pryor. Pryor subsequently left school and was drafted by the Oakland Raiders in the 3rd round of the supplemental draft. http://espn.go.com/college-football/...tball-findings Miami once again reached into it's bag of dirty tricks and violations. If the accusations turn out to be correct (some players already have been suspended), this is the biggest scandal in college football since SMU putting recruits and players on their payroll in the 80's. The mountain of evidence compiled here suggests that Miami will suffer the wraith of the NCAA, sans the death penalty. If you want some great entertainment I suggest reading this damning and hilarious article: http://sports.yahoo.com/investigatio...trouble_081611 Oregon, Cal, and LSU might have committed a no-no when they paid notorious street agent Willie Lyles cash money for “Recruiting Reports” that were full of outdated info, making them essentially worthless. A check signed by Oregon coach Chip Kelly to Lyles himself made the rounds within the football world recently. Peep this shit if you like sleeze balls pimping out high school players for cash: http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports...regon/related/ Notable New Coaches Florida Out – Urban Meyer In – Will Muschamp (Former DC Texas) ![]() Miami Out- Randy Shannon In – Al golden (Former HC Temple) Pitt Out – Dave Wandstedt In – Todd Graham (Former HC Tulsa) Pitt had actually hired Miami (OH) HC Mike Haywood but then a week or so later he beat up his wife and got fired, thus opening the door for Graham. ![]() Michigan Out – Rich Rodriguez In – Brady Hoke (Former HC San Diego State) ![]() Ohio State Out – Jim Tressell In – Luke Fickell (Former OC Ohio State) ![]() Stanford Out – Jim Harbaugh In – David Shaw (Former OC Stanford) ![]() Minnesota Out – Tim Brewster In – Jerry Kill (Former HC Northern Illinois) ![]() Maryland Out – Ralph Friedgen In – Randy Edsall (Former HC Uconn) ![]() Heisman Contenders Last year Cam Newton blew the fuck up in his first year at Auburn, not only winning the NC but also the Heisman Trophy. With Newton leaving for the draft, here are 10 players that could very well win the award this year (in no particular order): LaMichael James, RB Oregon ![]() Andrew Luck, QB Stanford ![]() Trent Richardson, RB Bama ![]() Kellen Moore, QB Boise State ![]() Landry Jones, QB Oklahoma ![]() Marcus Lattimore, RB South Carolina ![]() Brandon Weeden, QB Oklahoma State ![]() Justin Blackmon, WR Oklahoma State ![]() Knile Davis, RB Arkansas ![]() Ryan Broyles, WR Oklahoma ![]() Conference Shakeup ![]() The B1G finally expanded to 12 teams with the addition of Nebraska. This also allows the league to FINALLY hold a legit conference championship game. This year's game will be held at Lucas Oil Stadium in Indianapolis. The 12 teams are broken up into two divisions, which are so horribly named it isn't even funny: Legends Division -Iowa -Michigan -Michigan State -Minnesota -Nebraska -Northwestern Leaders Division -Illinois -Indiana -Ohio State -Penn State -Purdue -Wisconsin ![]() The newly upgraded Pac-12 welcomes the arrivals of Utah and Colorado. No craziness abounds when it comes to division names; the Pac-12 managed to keep it simple: Pac-12 North -California -Oregon -Oregon State -Stanford -Washington -Washington State Pac-12 South -Arizona -Arizona State -Colorado -UCLA -USC -Utah The site of the championship game will be held at the home stadium of the division champion with the best conference record. Also, next year Hawaii, Boise State, Nevada, and Fresno State leave the WAC for the Mountain West. Replacing them will be FCS (1AA) UT-San Antonio and Texas State. TCU will be leaving the Mtn. West for the Big East and it's automatic BCS berth. Also there are strong rumors that Texas A&M, incensed at Texas and it's monolithic Longhorn Network, will be bailing out of the Big12-2=10 for greener pastures in the SEC. Mormon powerhouse BYU left the Mountain West and is now an independent joining fellow rogues Notre Dame, Army, and Navy. New Threads Ok State got new jerseys. Supposedly they have 48 different uniform combos: ![]() Arizona State got a new logo and jerseys, including this sweet black alt: ![]() And of course Oregon has these new Pro Combat unis: ![]() Under Armour likes to rip off Nike's Pro Combat unis so they puked all over Maryland and gave them these hideous pieces of shit: ![]() These helmets are shit too: ![]() Addidas gave Michigan these throwbacks: ![]() A few other schools got new uniforms or Pro Combat editions but these are the ones that really stood out to me. Here is the pre-season AP Top 25 Poll: ![]() On the cusp: Texas 114, Penn State 75, Arizona State 67, Miami (FL) 32, Utah 25 Before each weekend hopefully by thursdays, i'll be doing a small preview of which games to watch and why and also various news and tidbits relevant to that weekend. Here's to college football! |
-I wonder why OSU is ranked so high preseason? I was expecting them to not be ranked at all with the uncertainty coupled with the loss of Prior and the suspension of the other players.
-I did a repair on Luke Fickell's windshield just before Tressel -you are not wrong about the names of the Big something's new divisions :puke |
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