Koran & Murder Case
 

Taken from TimesOnline.

"COPIES of the Koran were handed to the jurors in the Abu Hamza trial yesterday as his defence argued that some of the cleric’s “offensive” statements were drawn directly from Islam’s holy book.

Edward Fitzgerald, QC, for the defence, said that Abu Hamza’s interpretation of the Koran was that it imposed an obligation on Muslims to do jihad and fight in the defence of their religion. He said that the Crown case against the former imam of Finsbury Park Mosque was “simplistic in the extreme”.

He added: “It is said he was preaching murder, but he was actually preaching from the Koran itself.” "

In defense of hateful and speech inciting to violence, an Imam is defended by multiculturalists in the sense that this violence and jihad is an integral part of his culture and his holy book.

It is excellent when liberal doctrine gets them to begin justifying Islamic fundamentalism preaching murder of Jews as being a right due to a multicultural heritage -- just put a clown nose on and get it over with.

how's it going mad max

Re: Koran & Murder Case
 

Because Conservatives have NEVER used a holy book of any sort to justify their hateful actions towards a minority :rolleyes:

yeah Imam's are the super liberal folks, they love the gays, hug trees and fight global warming.


But I'm glad you think that if one psycho says that the koran said it was ok to murder someone, it is an comment on the whold of Islam.

doesn't this guy seem a little mad maxish to anyone else or is it just me :(

I thought Vince, but Mad Max could be possible, too.

It's Islam that's on trial here now.
The defense is saying that Abu Hamza isn't preaching murder and hate because he's just preaching what is in the Koran. Which means if he's found not guilty it's Islam that's hateful, not Abu Hamza. So the Koran will be proven to be preaching murder and hate.
Which means he'll have to found guilty, unless we're going to ban the Koran, which is highly unlikely.

So I assume both of you have read the Koran, yes?

which translation :puke

Saint john, of course

I have. The N.J.Dawood translation. Have you?
I expected it to be simillar to the Bible, but I was surprised at how aggressive and intolerant of non-Muslims it was throughout. I think every non-Muslim should read it, it's a real eye-opener.

I have not, then again I don't make threads about what it does or does not say.

And I don't believe you.

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Well, this is an interesting point to make however. If some Southern Baptist is reading from the Bible to rationalize violence or hating gays, what do you do? You clearly jump on them for it, right?

I somehow don't think the "multiculturalists" (I'm sorry, it fits) would react quite the same way to hate speech from the Koran.

I've got it in front of me right now. I'll post a picture of any page you want, Chojin.

It's wrong no matter who it is or what the book is. That's the point. It isn't the book that tells them to do it, but their interpretation of what the book says. Hate is hate, no matter who it guilty of it.

I would like you to snapshot the page of the color-by-numbers picture of mohammed having sex with your mother while jesus looks on in prison :<

Sure, and I know that you truly believe that. But this discussion (as every discussion these guys start....sigh) is less about muslims and gays and whatever, and is more about the reaction to these things that you get from so-called liberals, leftists, or whatever.

And i think it is a fair point that liberals today are quicker to jump all over fringe Christians than the fringe muslims.

Well, shit. If I had to deal with fringe muslims day in and day out, I'd probably be quicker to run my mouth about em, too.

I think that is the key element there. Fringe Muslims are not as prevalent in America, and therefor not jumped all over by reactionary liberals. It isn't saying that liberals accept the bigotry of fringe Muslims, just that they don't deal with it as often.

I have to agree....my jaw dropped when I first read it...

You're pathetic.

N.J. Dawood is perhaps the only Jew to have translated the Quran into English. Available in the Penguin edition, Dawood's translation, The Koran (London, 1956) is perhaps the most widely circulated non-Muslim English translation of the Quran. The author's bias against Islam is readily observable in the Introduction. Apart form adopting an unusual Sura order in his translation, Dawood is guilty also of having mistranslated the Quran in places such as Baqara II:9 and A'raf VII:31, etc.

http://www.islam101.com/quran/transAnalysis.htm

There is no one translation you can blame for misleading the public into thinking Islam is daggers. Their actions in the name of the Koran probably reach a larger audience on the news every night, then Dadwoods total sales on Amazon. I've compared verses with devout Muslims, and gone back and forth. The problem is, there is not a single accurate English translation on the market. The Koran doesn't translate (nor does the The Bible, honestly. Look at the King James version...yikes).

The general ideas are all the same though, even when described in lesser terms. Islamic scholars who take a more liberal approach will never argue one verse at a time, they'll compare contradictions later on to say "see, so when the Koran say's to beat your wife, it means to do with a toothbrush, and that's silly, so it's obviously not a literal commandment".

As if any Muslim today would recommend a Jew's translation of the Koran. The only translations they approve of are by Muslims. And that's because the only people they approve of are Muslims.

Well, it is their scriptures. Why would they approve of anyone elses version of THEIR scriptures? More to the point, they're reading the text in it's native language. They only concern themselves with the translations when it comes to public image, and answering critics.

Edit: The flipside of that are those who say that Muslims translating the Koran into English would be the biased ones, using less harsh language, and that this translation is the only independent outsider translation.