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Originally Posted by Zhukov
AB, surely you do not think of the Israeli government as victims? The victims of this latest attack, and all others, are the Palestinian and Israeli working people.
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Obviously civilians suffer the most from this violence, but yes, I believe the Israeli state is, in essence, a victim since it has been under attack since its founding for doing absolutely nothing wrong.
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Peace lies in the laps of the victims, as the Israeli and Palestinian states are incapable of breaking he cycle because their methods always lead in the opposite direction. Israel will never abandon it's state terrorism, it is against it's own interests.
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Oh please, you can hardly call what Israel does "state terrorism."
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Sharon wishes to use the reaction of the Palestinian terrorists to step up repression against the Palestinian people as a whole. It also serves nicely to justify the wall they are building which cuts right through whole Palestinian communities.
The Palestinian people will continue to live in a prison house, without jobs, without decent water etc, while the Israeli people have their minds concentrated on the fear of being bombed at any moment.
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Well, the best thing the Palestinian leaders can do to get their people out of said "prison house" is to abandon violent action. Israel is under no obligation to listen to the Palestinian "plight" until the Palestinian leaders stop sponsoring terrorism.
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The Palestinians do not want peace and they will never compromise
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Are you talking about Palestinian people, terrorists, or their "leaders"?
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Palestinian leaders and terrorists.
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They recognized a long time ago that you can never appease terrorists, so you have to eliminate them
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Eliminating terrorists creates many more terrorists. If you kill a terrorist, you create a terrorist in his brother, father, son, uncle, cousin, friend etc. This goes for everyone you kill, collateral damage included. Nearly everyone realises this, but it still seems it needs to be repeated. If you "shoot down" those terrorists, you create more. What a stupid way of combating terrorism, of course, "wars on terror" and the like never have the intention of ending terrorism, the people that spout that kind of crap use the reaction for their own gains. Likewise, state terrorism is the best recruiting agent for individual terrorism.
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Well, the alternative is appeasement, Zhukov. Do you think governments, in good conscience, should
negotiate with terrorists?
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Israel is a modern state that recognizes individual liberty,
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Except for Palestinians.
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The Palestinians have declared themselves a separate people; the enemy of the Israeli government. Besides, if leaders like Arafat had their way, the Palestinians would be under oppressive, Islamic, theocratic rule, so don't feed me this crap that they're freedom fighters.
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The burden is on the Palestinians to abandon terrorism
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You have already said that they are unwilling to compromise, so you must want the killing to go on forever.
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No, I don't want the killing to go on forever. However, if a lack of peace is a side effect of Israel's refusal to be bullied by fools and fanatics, then I guess that's the way things are going to have to be.