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Originally Posted by Zhukov

Compared to the blokes under him, I think this guy should have been considered a pacifist.

"Hamas Names Hard-line Figure as New Leader in Gaza"

Also, remember that Yassin was a "spiritual" leader, ie, he didn’t plan military attacks or set specific targets. This doesn’t mean he is a nice guy.

Okay cut the double talk. Yassin was targeted because he took a hands on involvement in recruiting and planning suicide bombings. One can not mastermind a plan for the destruction of an entire race, act on these plans, and then be called a moderate for it.

Rantisi didn't pop up out of the blue as a result of this assasination, he was always the number two guy. When people talk of hitting Yassin, it was always in the same breath as taking out Rantisi. These are people who refuse to coexist, and refuse to negotiate short of killing every Jew, regardless of Israel's existance. What's moderate about that?

I don't consider Herzl or Jabotinsky to have socialist or communist principles, (these are the only guys I know) so you will have to walk me through what you mean.

I think Kevin already re-articulated my point. Zionism isn't an organization built around a single idealogy or the politics of any one figurehead. It's leanings were as lefty as they come. I know my own family attended Zionist meetings in Iraq run by the Communist party, and left a very comfortable lifestyle to go live in tents, and work on farms.

What I mean when I say the Palestinians are victims is this: ..... they are going to get any remaining houses destroyed, people arrested, "collateral damage" whatever. In other words, the cycle will continue with both Israeli and Palestinian people feeling the pressure.

Are you arguing that Palestinians have some moral high ground where they shouldn't be punished for crimes? It's not like Israel is going out and blowing up some random Palestinian home. You're confusing self defense, or even "retribution" with blood killings.