[mburbank]

Abcdxxtrgtrgdtete; I would like to know about the current sate of these programs. I'm educable. Point me to the sources. While you're at it, point me aslo to the democratic proceedings that found these people guilty (and by the way before your knee jerks, I have no doubt they are) and what recognized democratic process authorized their public execution.

My guess is that the height of economic aid programs coresponds with terrorist recruitment going down. Directly prior to his assension, Shamir deliberatly set out to provoke a violent response. I think that response was barbaric, [pointless and totally, tragically predictable. That doesn't mean Shamir didn't seek it out and manipulate it.

Here's a suggestion I forgot to include that Israel adamantly refuses. International monitors. The line between Israel and the Palestinians should be crawling with blue helmets there should be video and audio recorders every few feet.


"Do you personally believe that Gandi and the Palestinians have the same goals?"

Hammas doesn't, but I'm sure some Palestinians don't. Instead of tactically ensuring the numbers of Palestinainas who wants the utter anialation of Israel grow, why not work as actively as possible with those who would recognize Israel? Instead we give all the power of deciion to terrorists, which is exactly what they want.

For those of you who find the "Kick the shit out of them" response favorable, or even just acceptable, where do you see this going? You may think my 'roadmap' is naive or unworkable, but I have an opinion. What's yours?

All I hear is "They have a right to defend themselves!" I agree. "They already tried!" does that mean they should give up? "Why does it have to be them?" It doesn't. But I'm a Jewish westerner and while I my be somewhat uneducated on the situation, I sure as hell have a better understanding of Israel nd the US than I do the Muslim world, of which I have no understanding at all. I think waiting for them to do their share (ie for other Arabs to take in the Palestinians, which by the way is not what many Palestinians want any more than you'd like to be relocated to another country against your will) seems hopeless.

But hell, if that's your roadmap, great. How could the US encourage this? Or is your solution "We've done all we can, it's up to them and if they don't do something it just goes on like this."

Where does that end? I'd say the BEST case scenario that can come out of tht would be the forced removal of the Palestinians. That's the very Best you could hope for, and it's not likely. And there are WAY worse outcomes.

I think peace between the Muslim and Western worlds is pretty much out of the question until Isreal and the Palestinaians stop killing each other.

I'll start a new thread.