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Don't lecture me on the legitemacy of Socialist Zionism when five minutes ago you had never heard of it. Right, "they're not real marxists". Do some research on how it applies to the subject "specifically" before you just debate on terminology alone. Why are you arguing a point based on your on desire to disbelieve it? Don't ask me for an education, go do the research yourself and come back when you're qualified to discuss it. Look up what Socialist principles have been integrated into Israel... or go ask some Arab Bedouin women how they were getting free medical care in 1968. I never said Zionism = Socialism, you moron, I said that amongst the many types of Zionists, there were Socialists, and that these Socialists had the biggest influence on what became Israel, and the programs in place. I know it flips your frail little world around and threatens some counterculture identity you've built up in your head, but Israel was started by a lot of lefty Jews.

Zuk - "Like all capitalist armies, the IDF acts to defend the Israeli ruling class. It does this by creating a terrorist threat to legitimise the killing of personal freedoms. "

Is that what you call defendig the farming communes under the Golan Heights that are subject to daily missile fire? I guess in your eyes every terrorist threat is just a fictional tool for oppression, and armies exist solely to clamp down on personal freedoms....that makes you sound pretty dumb.


Zuk "The intent of Zionism was to replace the indigenous population with a new settler community, the labor and socialist Zionists embraced the same idea. "

Then why didn't they pick a more denseley populated area, with more greenery, and prettier buildings?