[mburbank]

"First of all, the Moore quote came from his own website."

So you were just perusing his website, right? You didn't read about the quote and then follow a link there?

"No, but we're expected to do so, right Max? "

Do you have trouble reading what I write? The part about suffering being suffering, the part about them hating us exactly the way we hate them? The part where I say the motivation makes no differnce to the dead and the suffering? Expected has nothing to do with it. Neither side gives a flying fuck about motivation, and why should they? Purety of motivtion brings no one back from the dead.

"Nevertheless, a dictator was toppled. "
That kind of makes you an 'ends justify the means' guy, Brandon. It also makes you pretty lucky. If you vote for W I sure hope the next war he starts is as serendipitous for you as this one. And as far as going to war over false pretenses goes, well, there may be serious long term repercussions and we may end up crusade, but hell, we toppled a tyrant. Even if that had nothing to do with it.

"I'm not going to adress emotional appeals"
Why? I adressed yours. Traitor. My God. I'm not trying to bully you into any speciffic set of beliefs. I am trying to get you to examine your beliefs.

"You people only care about suffering when it can be traced back to the United States."
That's a load of horseshit. I'll admit, I care somewhat more about suffering my tax dollars fund. You don't seem to care much about suffering we inflict as long as it balances out in the long run. We toppled a dictator! I'm so sorry we killed your kids, but hell, Sadaam probably would have done it if we hadn't, so it's no biggy. And what about the buckets of suffering we're fine with? Exactly how many people do we have to rack up in collateral damage (and remember, we're not counting) before you're no longer sure? You should set yourself a number. I care enough about suffering that I don't really spend a lot of time thinking about what their nationality is or the motivations of those who caused them to suffer. To me, a guy that burns to death in a building is a guy that burns to death in a building. You make a concious choice to missunderstand what I'm saying. Some wars may be avoidable, but this one was. It kills people in our uniforms and there's and it also kills their citizens, something they haven't done to us. Oh, and it leaves us more vulnerable then evernto actual terrorists, since our armed forces and intelligence are a little busy with this uneccesary war.