[FS]

Pants, the reason I say your mind is a one-way street is because things seem to come out, but not go in. You insist on seeing me as your 'enemy' for the simple fact that I'm not American (European even! Gasp!). At every step you suspect me of super-leftist, death-to-America, unity-uber-alles motives and therefore dismiss my point of view.

Sure, I'd like to live in a utopia, but I don't believe mankind is capable of something like that. However, what I WOULD like to see is to see the greatest possible effort made at simulating a utopia. That means caring for those less fortunate and not just those that carry the label of your nationality. Do you actually know what Utopia means? It's a perfect world - not just a fair one, which I'd be content with.


http://www.euobserver.com/index.phtml?sid=9&aid=10547
http://www.expatica.com/germany.asp?...&item_id=29569
http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w.../03/2003_27069
http://www.iht.com/articles/89722.html

Each of these articles talks of a pro-war country trying to draw attention to anti-Americanism in the EU. Anti-Americanism, or an anti-war attitude? I'm sorry, but if you're for the war, you have something to gain from dismissing anti-war sympathy as simple anti-Americanism. People are not protesting the war because they hate America.

Point is, you're trying to make me your enemy. It'll be so much easier for the US to tell the UN to shove it if they get lip from the UN first. It's two friends, one of which has decided he doesn't like the other too much anymore. It'll be easier to part with a fight then to come out of nowhere with a big fuck you. I don't consider Americans in general to be arrogant and I don't consider you to be a very good representation of an American. I consider you to be a narrow-minded egoist and those are an international commodity.

Dream on FS of a world where America feeds all of it's money to everyone else and is crushed under the thumb of the international community.

That's just it, isn't it? Where I say "donations for the poor", you'll say "losers stealing our money". Where I say "be part of the international community", you'll say "submit to slavery".

Originally Posted by FS

The narrow-minded "all Americans are devils" attitude lies in the Middle East. We're not yet that far.

That's truly touching FS...

It was also sarcasm.

I'm not saying you won't pull them in eventually

Jesus fucking Christ. "Pull them in"? How far are you exactly from calling the EU the Third Reich?

You know as well as I do, that there are major problems in stabilizing the EU, and more specifically, the Euro, and if you think thats my American perception, think again.

Do I? For months now, the Euro has been circling closely around the Dollar's exchange rate, sometimes going over even.

What I won't concede to, is your imbecilic Euro-leftist view, that the United States owes something to the EU. We dont owe anything to anyone... quite the opposite in my opinion, but I'll save that for another thread. "That takes the rich getting poorer, while the poor getting richer." Thats a spectacular socialist Eutopia you speak of. I guess it all ends up ok for you though, considering that in that analogy, the United States are the Evil Rich Empire (oops, I forgot, your opinion isn't yet that far) and the Europeans stand only to get richer...

The US owes nothing to anyone? Really. How about the native Americans whose land you stole? The Africans you brought overseas to work for you as slaves? And I'll save you the trouble of bringing this up, yes, Europe has its equal share in this (hell, in those times Americans were mostly Europeans still). What I can't stomach, is your every-man-for-themselves attitude while you live in the richest nation on this planet. Every single person who did not grow up in poverty owes a debt to every person that did. Because you don't need the luxuries your money buy you, while somewhere in another country a family is dying in heat because they don't have enough food. That not Utopia, Pants. That's being humane. And notice how I accuse Europe of this crime just as much as I do the US, hell, I accuse you and me of it. But now. It'll be easier for you to ignore the world by pretending they're hateful leeches anyway.

You should really bring something to the table before you try to cut a deal FS. Perhaps start by enforcing your own rules, and punishing France and Germany for underperformance in their economies. Maybe then, you can make some money and earn your own spot at the table, with the Big Rich Empire.

I don't suppose I can reach an agreement with a person who doesn't see the responsibilities that come with being 'rich'.