[Anonymous]

Originally Posted by El Blanco

Because will still want them. You can't ban items.

Uh? Even with the proper words added to make this a sentence, it still doesn't make sense.

You don't know that. All you know is that there is an intruder in your home.

And it's illegal to fire on them unless they are armed or you can otherwise prove your conviction that they were about to kill you.

Also, whats your idea of the proper amount of police to make this ban feasable? What ratio? How do you pay for it? Whats the proper amount of training? How do you explain your plan to people who simply don't trust the police and government?

Oh, sure. Let me go ahead and type up fifty pages on my proposal to the gun-toting cynics of the internet to help me save some face here. You can expect my first draft by next Wednesday. Maybe if I was a legislator or writing a paper for the Have A Dream foundation I'd go ahead and pull exact ratios of police and their daily iteneraries as they complete my tough but fair American Gladiator-style training regimen out of my ass, as well as develop a complete finacial plan on how I'd pay for all the pads used in the gauntlet at the end. I said that we'd be safer without guns and with more police. I never said it was a feasible option at this moment in history, especially given our country's current horrid economic standing and the fact that no-one would ever remove the right to bear arms, however antiquitated it may be. So you don't have to worry about me not liking half of US households having firearms because my opinion not only means fuck all, but doesn't affect you in any way.

Just thought I'd give you those last two sentences so you could just quote that and then respond with something really cynical and biting. You can thank me later.

Are you implying that because a pistol can be used to harm a government official, it has to be outlawed? Well, lets get rid of the internet, automobiles and propane tanks. All of those have been used to commit major crimes.

Yeah, I remember that time President Bush got assassinated by the internets. We've had plenty o' public officials that have been maimed by idealists who didn't even have to struggle to get their weapon of choice.

You want to take that chance?

Uh, sure? Yeah, I'd like to not die if I'm gonna get mugged.

And yet saying that a high number of guns leads to more crime, even though statistics says other wise is perfect logic?

Statistics say that gun-related violence goes from two digits to four with the right for citizens to bear arms. It doesn't necessarily lead to more crimes, just tons and tons more deaths.

Probably depends on what the locals call "assault", "murder" and "man slaughter".

You're missing the point; There is no way Canada is more dangerous than the US. This leads me to believe that your graph of assaults only count the crime of 'assault', not 'assault with a deadly weapon,' 'murder' of any degree, or 'manslaughter.' It is much better to be 'assaulted' than any of those other options.

Ya, I'm pissed off at my wife, so I'm going to head to the local shop (if its open), shell out the cash, do thew paper work, let them run the background check and all that other shit and then go shoot her. I certainly couldn't just take a household impliment and kill her.

I don't mean to sound like the pretenious over-educated and under-experienced cocks most of you in this forum come off as, but you are again missing the point. If you already HAVE a gun in the house, you don't need to go buy another just to go blast your cheating wife in the face. Your kid doesn't need to go shoplift one in order to go put a few rounds in Billy. It's already right there in your home, somewhere safely tucked away where you'd never be able to reach it in times of emergency, but would have access if you were all set to do something stupid with it.

More people die in home swimming pools every year.

McGruff would totally kick your ass if he heard you say that.

Or, you can take the courses provided by local gun clubs and firingranmges and for free by the NRA and learn how to properly use a firearm for home and personal defense.

Much the way people must learn how to drive cars.

Or, you can re-read what I had typed and you're rebutting to, because I already addressed your ridiculous point in there.

Originally Posted by Preechr

Now, I don't want you to think I'm some sort of paranoid survivalist, but I have prepared the defenses of my home and the lives of those that live here to such an extreme degree because I value these things......

Uh huh. If someone's so fucking determined to get into your house and arm themselves while doing so, chances are they'll be coming for you long before you gear up for battle like in the intro to Operation Wolf and step into the foyer to take the law into your own extremely capable hands.

As long as the guns are shipped in containers or stored in the hold of a plane, there's really no problem with smuggling them in. By setting up a prohibition, you create a blackmarket which drives the price of the product up, attracting those that will apply enough thought to the problem to overcome any obstacles.

As I and El Blanco said, there's also nothing to stop a criminal from making a firearm. Some blackpowder, a piece of PVC tubing with a cap and a lighter can make a weapon effective enough to kill you while only requiring a potatoe as a projectile. Are we gonna outlaw potatoes as well? PVC? Matches?

I don't know how you'd enforce an import ban, and I get the feeling that you don't either. The notion that people would suddenly become incredibly curious hobbyists concerning guns the moment they're illegal is silly at best, and retarded at worst. I'd also think that someone's Colt PVC .Potatoe caliber rifle would be at least somewhat less effective than the real deal. If it wasn't, why wouldn't we all be making this shit in shop class?

Holding a gun no more makes someone a violent criminal than were they holding a joint or a baby.

Uh huh. Guns don't kill people, people kill people, am i right guys. Thing is? When you want to hurt someone and you have a gun, chances are that at least one of you won't be able to hurt anyone again.

Prohibition is prohibition, and it never works in this country.

Well, shit, let's just throw down and urinate on the goddamn constitution! It doesn't matter anymore, boys! The police know and understand that we Americans are genetically pre-disposed to thwarting authority - which I am to understand is a direct cause of our propensity to unload a clip on anything that can bleed - and really, come on, did they expect us to follow all these fucking laws they keep passing? As an American, I have a right to pick and choose which laws I follow and which ones I DISMISSIVELY TUMBLE DOWN A MUDDY EMBANKMENT AS A RESULT OF ME NEVER, EVER BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR A SINGLE ACTION IN MY LIFE SINCE WE'RE ALL SUCH NE'ER-DO-WELLS ANYWAY!

Saying that you shouldn't prevent people from doing bad shit because at some point someone's gonna break the law is like saying you shouldn't drink water because you're eventually gonna have to urinate. Use some common sense and try to cry less about how someone's trying to silently maneuver past your guards, checkpoints, and ball pit in a premeditated effort to slit your fat mom's throat.

Sorry. Kinda got caught up in the moment there.