[kahljorn]

"Art is a definitively human form of expression, it has nothing to do with the actual nature of anything."

"Human nature wouldn't be different if it wasn't expressed in terms of art. People have a natural tendency to express themselves artistically"
I'll just group these together since they are basically the same

Just the nature of humanity, right? Good thing that's not anything, it's just this thing that exists somewhere but not in this universe and also human beings don't really exist this message board is a lie. So maybe you should consider that before you post your little lies on this message board of lies you dirty liar.
Art is also what, humanities way to express their emotions, to express their feelings on things? That's not part of the universe or anything(it expresses absolutely no nature except for the nature of humanity which is molded by the nature of the universe geez that's weird)?
Their perception on the universe? Human expression and emotion is molded by the nature of this world. As such it is a representation of everything around us, and every force we ever come into contact with. The fact that we are capable of making art is based on biological and psychological conditioning and even physics which eventually loops back to art making us capable of intellectual expression...

Human beings are absolutely unimportant. Math is unimportant, and so is biology. Art is equally as unimportant as the previously mentioned items. For some reason, even if human beings have no understanding of the universe, it still manages to work.
Also I should mention that our entire neuropsychological development that allowed us to discover biology and mathematics was art or human expression. I'm sorry to say but the Nature of sentient organisms evolving is part of this universe and I would say a very important, if not most important(to sentient organisms) part of the universe. I don't know what school you went to but the study of how society has evolved(and how humanity has evolved) is a certain science that I will allow to remain nameless because it wishes to hide from boring eyes.

The argument that art is unimportant because it is a human expression is void of any thought. Human beings are in the universe, and if human beings are in the universe and make art to develop their culture than that is part of the "NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE". Sure, the universe would exist without us, but it could also exist without suns and atoms and whatthefuckeverelse and it probably has existed without them before I believe science mentions something about that with pre-bigbang talk.
Art/expression is/was essential to human development and played a huge part in it. If you don't think human beings being able to communicate with one another is important to their development than you would likely be forming a primative world, because the nature of humanities evolution was built on language and expression. Also, the building you're living in wouldn't be around without the art of masonry, or the art of carpentry or any of the other arts that were expressed and communicated/taught to eachother by means of oral expression.
I don't know, this is a stupid argument that only exists because of scientific dogma on the part of some psuedo-intellectual zealot for science who wants to believe that what they are devoting their life to or what they believe is the only possible true thing and their life is not a waste and when they die the universe will live forever in their memory. Amen.


P.S. I know you're probably thinking of some argument like the universe would exist without us here but the NATURE OF THE UNIVERSE created us and THEN decided to create ART and expression between us that allowed us to develop into what we are today. Obviously you are missing that and all it entails including the fact that EVERYTHING WE HAVE IS NATURAL FOR THE UNIVERSE TO CREATE BECAUSE NOTHING IS UNNATURAL AND IF IT WAS IT WOULDNT EXIST.
Human beings were created by universal nature, art was created by human nature which was created by universal nature to help us develop which is a human nature that was created and controlled and guided by the universal nature.

"And math is innate, natural and not simply human."
the universe wasn't created by numbers, math is merely a way of expressing the universe in a way that human beings can understand. In a sense it is an art because it allows expression of the universe by human beings, just like art does. Arguing outside of humanity is impossible because you are horribly human.
Humans are natural because the universe created them

the end. I don't even know what i wrote.