[kahljorn]

I wasn't arguing determinism, I was arguing a completely different topic because I thought what was being said about it was rather stupid.

Also, when was the last time all you "Natural mathematicians" saw a "Natural geometrical shape". I'm sorry to say but geometrical shapes are actually very unnatural, and from what I understand one way to tell if something was created intellectually or naturally is by looking at how geometrically perfect an item is, the more perfect the more unnatural. I don't think I've ever seen a natural triangle or a natural straight line.. all of that stuff is human. For creating human objects.
I just thought of that when I was eatting my soup and thought it was funny.