[kahljorn]

""Whatever you want to label it, killing a person by accident is the same damn thing."

No they aren't.
Killing a person on purpose means you had a violent intention to murder the person which is morally wrong and when you're discussing morality and moral related issues like we are you don't discuss "Accidental" killings.
lol you can't even tell the moral difference between accidental killings and purposeful killings?

"noticed how you so conveniently skipped the logical points I made"
You don't make logical points. You don't even know what logic is. Logic means you support what you say with reasons. The reasons have to be connected to eachother. If the reasons aren't connected to eachother and all lead to a conclusion, then its illogical.
Saying, "Most murders are premeditated" doesn't mean anything when you're talking about men being innocent and women corrupting them, especially when 90 percent of all murders are commited by men. If anything, it means men are "PLANNING" to kill people.

"emional people are driven by adolescent mores? "
you're driven by an adolescent more. The adolescent more that your race and values is somehow relevant to anything.

"did not state that they are ALL manipulative, but instead that they are genetically inclined to, an usually do, manipulate."


You've submitted no proof they are genetically inclined to manipulate. The only type of proof you submitted is that because they have smaller physical structures and are "Submissive" they manipulate more. And yet, those are factors entirely related to a social environment. Womens bodies change depending on the type of work they do. Their positions in society change depending on the type of society they are in. Everything changes. Nothing is "Genetic". Women don't have some genetic code built in to them to make them manipulate men in the way you are thinking.
Nothing that leaves men "Innocent" before women.

You can say women are manipulative because they offer their bodies for food or whatever, but aren't men offering their food for their bodies? You say it's different because women are getting something "Stupid" and are using their bodies, but so are men by using their "Dominant Position" and "Strong hunting-able body" and they are also receiving something pointless like "Sex" which is pretty meaningless.
Men manipulate men to gain political positions all the time.


Don't you get that you're the one arguing for a difficult position and thus you're the one with the burden of proof? I don't have to say a damned thing. Everyone knows that men and women can both be manipulative. What's your point? that they are MORE manipulative? lol, so what? Who cares? How does that account for men being corrupted by females?

you know there have also been societies in which the females are "Boss" and the men sort of offer their bodies to the women.

Also by nature men are inclined to struggle over women so it's not just that women are "Manipulative" it's that men themselves are inclined to be jealous and territorial.
Women sometimes play on that, but wouldn't you know it, so do men.
So if men are already "Genetically inclined" to be territorial how are they innocent that's a good question and how does women's manipulation of them cause them to be corrupted?

Using your biblical citation god was a jealous asshole that was before women so what's up what's goin on what about the snake he was kind of manipulative right and seductive SUPER MANIPULATIVE AND SEDUCTIVE and it was a male woooweee this conversation is going places

also a funny thing you might notice whenever i use the words all or any im making fun of your logic you see what im doing is stating your logic the way you're saying it you see if you say women are genetically inclined to be manipulative then you are saying all women are inclined to be manipulative so it's basically the same thing.