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Old Apr 13th, 2010, 07:35 AM       
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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator View Post

There are no such thing as terrorists. There are poor people standing up to an imperialistic army run by private for-profit corporations.
lol. So the people who attacked India where just poor people standing up to an imperialistic army run by private for profit corporations? weird. How can you idiots not see its somewhere in the middle? Yes alot of the 'terrorists' are people who lost family members from unjust wars but that is not the only type of person blowing themselves up or atleast financing the suicide bombers. The people who lost family members are usually exploited by the real 'terrorists' who want to inflict carnage on a mass scale. This whole idea of losing family members doesn't even apply to the people like Bin laden who had their own family and country disown him for his actions.


This is from a real expert(not someone writing a term paper or watching biased documentaries) who has actually interviewed so called "black widows" in russia.

"Yet it was by no means a simple act of revenge, say Speckhard and other experts, insisting it is wrong to imagine the Black Widows as loyal widows seeking justice. (Sharipova's(one of the moscow suicide bombers) husband is believed to still be alive.) The women are in reality the products of a sophisticated process of indoctrination with deep roots in the North Caucasus, where a less conservative form of Islam has meant insurgents have few qualms about using women in their attacks. "The women who take part in terrorism do it not out of their own desire or willingness but because they are manipulated. They are given no other choice," says Yulia Yuzik, who has interviewed scores of Black Widows and their relatives in the Caucasus for her book Nevesty Allakhy (Brides of Allah).

Yuzik says the recruitment process usually begins when a loved one collaborates with insurgents and then gets killed or persecuted by Russian forces. The family is often ostracized by other members of their community, who are desperate to avoid persecution themselves, Yuzik says. "The community that welcomes you after that is the Islamist one. There you find self-respect. You are called a sister. You go to pray with them, socialize with them, and you integrate into these groups based around Islam. That in itself serves as a kind of counterforce to the security regime, a way of expressing grief and frustration."

Extremists within the community, however, can then begin to turn these emotions to the ends of terrorism, usually after an order comes down from insurgents in the mountains to prepare a suicide bomber. There are dozens of these Black Widows in the making at any given time, Yuzik says, so the Moscow subway bombings cannot simply be connected to the death of Abdurakhmanova's husband. Rather, she happened to be at the right point in the process of indoctrination when the order came down. "Once the Islamist community begins insisting you martyr yourself, they do not let up. They will pursue you forever, and you have nowhere else to go. That is the trap."

Women in such circumstances, says Speckhard, tend to be recruited because they are in search of "psychological first aid." Working most often over the Internet, the recruiters play the role of a father to women left vulnerable by abuse or other trauma. "To an extent it does help them. It's like a drug. It's short-lived. It gives you relief, but it's not a solution. And just like a drug addiction, it often ends tragically," says Speckhard, who has interviewed more than 300 perpetrators of terrorism, their victims and their loved ones for her book Talking to Terrorists.

Considering these two experts actually know what they are talking about and have actually interviewed people directly involved, I think I will take their view on things opposed to yours coolinator or leaders. If you don't realize that the real thugs are brainwashing and exploiting innocent people to commit acts of violence then you are really ignorant. Its not, for the most part, a just form of resistance against the evil western powers and legitimate payback for all the suffering they have been through.

You can argue with the experts if you like.
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