[KevinTheOmnivore]

Originally Posted by CaptainBubba

No. People are inherently evil. And governments are run by people. So in time, yes, all governments will succumb to evil.

Yes, and private industry is likewise run by these very same evil people, only this time, they're evil people who have no other obligation than to their own self-interests. This is the preferable alternative to the Libertarian utopian....

police: required to enforce the law nessecary to protect the citizen from having his inherent rights stripped by another citizen.

Right. OAO had posted something not too long ago about privatizing police forces, allowing private contractors to bid for our community's safety and well being. Sounds like another "liberated" place I know of.....

reliable mail: What in gods name are you smoking? Private companies are FAR more reliable that government agencies. Why do you think top companies and businesses use Fedex?

Because you pay a higher price, and for that one service, they are generally faster. This however doesn't come CLOSE to the day-to-day consistency of the U.S. Postal service. With the postal service, you pay a flat rate on postage, set by the agency. In a private system, you'd have competing postage costs, some lower, some higher, some more efficient, some less efficient. Guess what people would have easier access to the service with higher efficiency....

And why shut it down? BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING FOR IT. WE OWN IT.

That is completely asinine. But thank you for displaying the totally self-destructive nature of the fringe Libertarian capitalist....

libraries: Why would we want libraries to be illegal?

We're not talking about illegal/legal, we're talking about private vs. public. Libertarians seem to hate anything with a government stamp on it that goes beyond defense (and even such an important matter as our national and domestic security seems up for sale to them). Libraries are publicly funded. This has to go, it ISN'T in the Constitution.....

anything governmental: ONLY enough to secure the liberty and property of each citizen and no more.

Then libraries have to go, as does all forms of public transportation, all public universities and schools, etc. Sounds like a fun place....

Don't you think middle-class Americans would rather have social security benefits there for them, or a reasonable health plan, rather than the couple hundred dollars back to buy, what was it, lots of new furniture...? And often, when this link is made for tax payers, they choose the former.

YA! THOSE STUPID FUCKERS DON'T HAVE ANY CLUE HOW THEY WANT TO SPEND THEIR OWN GOD DAMN MONEY. What is so terrifying to you people about people being allowed to pay for services they desire when they desire them? Why can I not choose my investments ans retirment plans in place of social security? WHY CAN'T WE MAKE OUR OWN DECISIONS????

So CB, I'm thus assuming that you will not be receiving social security payments when you reach the eligible age...? Also, incase you get hurt at work, I'm assuming you'd rather not have any OSHA regulations or other governmental standards there to insure it....?

Even the article above raised the point, and it's a solid one. People hate taxes, but LOVE safety nets and public utilities. This shows a public disconnect between where are tax dollars go, and a general ignorance about taxes that goes all the way back to our founding.

CB, you said it. Only the preservation of property and liberty. But see, that's Lockean, not American. American values include the persute of happiness, and the preamble to our Constitution states "We the people of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare..."

We are not a nation merely built upon militias and stuff. We have a higher purpose than that, one that ultimately requires more civic engagement than any Libertarian seems able to stomach.