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Old Mar 9th, 2010, 07:45 PM       
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Originally Posted by TheCoolinator View Post

1. No one is forcing anyone to hit one another.
SEMANTIX. Of course nobody is "forcing" anybody to do anything, but you have to hit another man in the face over and over again in order to win the contest. udum

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Originally Posted by Coolio
2. Amateur boxers wear head protectors and more padded gloves then professional boxers. Professional boxers wear less padded gloves but still wear gloves nonetheless with their laces taped to provide more protection to the other fighter. On top of that they have very well trained referees that observe both fighters and immediately step in if the fighter cannot continue.


Did you know that bare knuckle boxing is safer than boxing with 12-16oz gloves? Did you know that it is due to the larger glove size that people have a greater chance of suffering long term repercussion? There would be more broken hands, but less blunt trauma to the head. The boxing gloves argument is a really bad one to use if you're gonna throw safety out there. Udum.

As for the point about refs.. I'm sure there are many good refs, but they don't work for boxing, they work for the athletic commission. We aren't talking about the refs or athletic commission.

I'd say the judging in boxing is far, far worse than in MMA. I've seen three blatantly thrown fights on ESPN and HBO. Blatantly thrown. Even the in house announcers knew it. Udum.

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Originally Posted by Coolio
MMA fighters do not wear padded gloves. They wear something akin to leather straps with less then an inch of padding.


Once again, smaller gloves or no gloves at all is the best way to have a combat sport. Yes, hands will be broken, but you won't have long lasting head trauma. You can be a retard for the rest of your life(see Ali), and I'll stick with the arthritis. Udum

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Originally Posted by Coolio
The only time an MMA referee steps in is when the other opponent is close to death by choking, their limbs are about to break, or their heads are being elbowed and bashed with bare fists as they lay their unconscious.

You obviously don't watch any MMA. A lot of fights are stopped early because the ref deems it a TKO or the lesser fighter isn't protecting himself. Next, the fighters TAP OUT when they are done fighting, generally speaking. If one doesn't tap(which is a very stupid thing that only a fraction of fighters have ever done) then the ref steps in.

Once again, you obviously don't watch much MMA. udum

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Originally Posted by Coolio
3. Choking, arm breaking, foot stomping, and hitting someone mercilessly on the ground is barbaric on many levels and can be defined as "Gladiatorial". Especially when they have these fights in cages......
Chokes and locks are essential to most TRADITIONAL MARTIAL ARTS. These guys use their knowledge of judo, juijitsu, sambo, greco roman wrestling, traditional american wrestleing, etc. to defeat an opponent. It's funny because when MMA first started all these huge guys who use to box and bar fight thought they were going to destroy people with their hands. Funny story, a little 160lb man named Royce Gracie came in and nullified their attacks by using MARTIAL ARTS. He made them tap or put them to sleep. Nothing got hurt besides some egos/feelings. It's a combat sport. udum

Foot stomping doesn't exist in the USA. You cannot soccer kick a downed opponent without harsh consequences. Sorry, you lose.

What is the difference between hitting somebody mercilessly on the ground or mercilessly standing up? You generally hit people without mercy in any combat sport. Don't follow. udum

As for fighting in cages, does it really matter what they fight in? Japan uses a traditional boxing ring in most of their MMA promotions. That nullifies that point. Udum

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Originally Posted by Coolio
Their boxing striking isn't even close to amateur in some of the events I've witnessed. Especially when they are in the upright position. It's all sloppy shoot fighting bar room brawl back yard mess. Anyone who watches it and says that there is an inkling of finesse is really pushing it. They might as well be in thunder dome.

They aren't boxers. I'm not claiming that they have an elite traditional western boxing calliber pedegree, but to say that they are "sloppy shoot fighting bar room" brawlers is completely laughable.

Have you heard of Muay Thai? How about kick boxing? MMA fighters generally choose these two because it better suits their sport. Traditional western style boxing is very limiting. It serves its purpose for a boxing event, but has great limitations to real world scenarios or MMA matches. Put a kick boxer and a boxer against each other in an MMA fight and i'll choose the kick boxer everytime.

Udum.

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New and exciting sport? This junk has been around for a very long time and I may add was illegal before numerous states men saw that they can tax the crap out of it and it will bring in untold amounts of revenue into their districts. At the expense of morality but whose counting right?
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Originally Posted by Coolio

Oh, and ask every person who watches MMA. They know nothing about martial arts at all; all they care about is feeling tough when some poor idiot is getting his head split open in front of a semi-intoxicated audience.

It's sad.
And finally here is where we get to the real heart of your lame post. A lot of things use to be illegal before they became legal. Marrying outside of your race, sodomy, alcohol, etc. so don't give me some American morality arguement.

UDUM. JOHN MCCAIN(a politician who works for a state)was the one who led the crusade against MMA in the early 1990s. This KILLS your "numerous states men saw that they can tax the crap out of it and it will bring in untold amounts of revenue into their districts" shi*. It is still illegal in many states because of backwards idiots like yourself, and it has nothing to do with tax money. UDUM

I don't know who you've been talking to about MMA, but COOL STORY BRO. ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE FTW.

Ask anybody about boxing to see how much they really know about it. Do they understand boxing styles, the intricacies that come with those styles, why some fighters fight in a straight line, why some are unorthodox, what is unorthodox, or why a counter to the body after a left hook is thrown is a good idea?

Probably not.

Don't give me this ol' bullshi*. People watch things mostly because they are entertained by it and not because they fully understand it. I like to watch women jump rope in the rain while they're in their underwear. I don't understand it for the life of me, but god damn I can't get enough of it.

To add to that point just take a look at the NFL for Christ's sake. Most people don't know what's going on behind all the play calling, audibles, or techniques the players use, but they just know that at the end of the day one team has to have a higher score. Does that make the NFL some backwards redneck shi*? No. Are some of the fans backwards rednecks? Yes.

Fact is boxing is dying due to bad business practices, back room deals, promoters running the show, and 9865234 million titles that nobody gives a s*it about. Boxing use to be something really cool, I get it. Problem is that too many things have ruined it and now it's people like you who are simply butthurt that it's getting eaten alive by MMA. Instead of saying, "Hey I'm really jealous that MMA is doing so well. I wish boxing were doing better." You spew out stupid shi* that not only doesn't make sense, but it also makes you look like a complete non-thinking neanderthal, which is ironic because that is the very thing you try to paint MMA and it's fanbase as.

UDUM.
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