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Old Jan 12th, 2004, 06:04 PM       
Tom, a monopoly only exists when people choose to go to the business. If they become unsatisfied, there demands will either be met or a new business will form. Not only that, but people do not have to purchase whatever has been monopolized.

Furthermore, I was speaking about the freedom to work as one sees fit.

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However, there is a net loss of happiness as wealth is transferred from those who would derive the most pleasure from it to those would derive less from it.
You assume that the 'amount' of pleasure one can have towards something is unbounded, like wealth. But you haven't shown me that this is a valid assumption. To a degree it makes sense to say that a person's pleasure (or time etc.) could be exchanged for money but only to a limit. Does it make sense to say that a billionaire like Warren Buffett has 1000000000 more pleasure 'units' than say, me? Or that he would be 100000000x unhappier if he had a middle class salary, compared to me, who would be 1000x happier? Not to mention, there are many more people who would love to make 100 grand a year, than people who make over 1 million. If you can't back up your assumption, then all talk of 'net losses of happiness', in an utilitarian sense, become nonsense. People can't 'contain' unlimited repositories of 'pleasure units'.
If Warren Buffett does not derive pleasure from his wealth, why does he maintain it?

Furthermore, I already pointed out that capitalism modifies pleasure rates by merit within the market system. That, in turn, will lead to higher pleasure over time.

I find no reason to assume that people do not contain unlimited amounts of pleasure units. Is not life more pleasureable now compared to then?

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More generally, you model capitalism in this particular case as a static tool that simply sorts out 'pleasure units' in a more efficient way. But capitalism is much more than a 'static tool'. It is generative, socially transformative, dynamic. It not only sorts out needs and wants, it creates them. It's not like some of us had a latent desire in our minds for a DVD player or a Britney album that was satisfied when they were invented and introduced to us. Hardly. New wants, new needs, new dependencies. It upheaves social institutions that have been satisfactory for many years and creates new ones. Our notions of vacation time etc. are -created- by a capitalist system. It creates and reinforces a culture of materialism. For the better? Regardless of the answer, that was not your point - you said it makes people happier. And you haven't demonstrated this.
I disagree. Human nature cannot be changed. The creation of the DVD player did not ignite your desire - your desire laid latent. I'm sure you have wanted something that does not exist?

In any case, you assume that the creation of desire is bad. It is not; pleasure is superior to contempt.
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