[glowbelly]

Well here's a question-- why was she with that guy to begin with? If he was good enough to have sex with (with the obvious exception being rape or incest), why is he all of a sudden a bad father? Sex is a reproductive act. It isn't a constitutionally guaranteed pleasure. It is an action with MASSIVE consequences, which should probably be considered before it's done.

oh for fuck's sake, get off your friggin high horse for a second. you can't tell me that you've never had sex strictly for pleasure, which, by the way, is one of it's purposes. sex also isn't a constitutionally guaranteed reproductive act. what are you saying? that you want all sex to only happen when two people are ready to have children together? are you insane?

I think abortion is too often viewed as a final method of contraception. I have no doubt that it's something no woman could go through easily, although the cases of multiple abortions are increasing in NYC, which I believe has the highest rate of abortion in the country.

this is the most insulting thing i have ever read. you actually think that women go out, have unprotected sex, get pregnant and don't worry about it because they can just get an abortion? you're the one trivializing this, now. ever think that these women don't have access to contraception? do you have any clue how expensive the pill can be if you don't have health insurance? do you know how hard it is to tell your parents that you need to be on contraceptives because you are sexually active? did you ever think that OH MY FUCKING GOD that not all contraceptives are 100%!!??

You ladies seem to be arguing that because men can be lazy, unaccountable, abusive, and potentially bad fathers, well then there needs to be easy access to abortion to prevent that mistake. I think that abortion only protects and encourages that sort of behavior, and if that asshole man (who probably doesn't want to be a father anymore than you want him to be) knows that abortion will always be an option, then he will continue to be unaccountable for his behavior.

my husband told me recently that there is not a man alive who really wants children.

ugh. kevin, you seem to think that getting rid of abortion is going to make certain men better. no. instead they are just going to be lazy, unaccountable, abusive, bad fathers.

here's the problem, kevin. the choice to get an abortion is a very personal decision that is based on many different circumstances that you could never possibly understand. you know why. i'm not going to say it again. there are so many different circumstances that only the person that has to make that decision can know...here's a few off the top of my head:

did you know that not all women can take contraceptives?
did you know that condoms sometimes break?
did you know that sex is a natural act that feels good and is also a way of emotionally connecting with a human being on a spiritual level and to deny that to a person because they don't want to have a baby is what i consider to be EVIL?
did you know that responsible people with careers and lives sometimes make mistakes?
do you have any idea how expensive it is to raise a child?
do you know how much a can of formula costs? do you know how long that can lasts at the height of your child's formula intake? did you know that not every woman can breastfeed?
do you know how much it costs to go to the doctor while you are pregnant and how much it costs to give birth? (i'll give you a hint, my very first midwive's appointment cost me $1000 and no, i didn't have health insurance...and guess what? a lot of people don't; the total bill on my emergency caesarean was close to $20,000, which included a mandatory 3 day hospital stay.)

i understand your points about education and social programs, but the problem is they are being underfunded right now. wic funding, for instance, is being cut. i think there are a record number of people out there without health insurance, so not only can they not afford to have babies, they can't afford to buy birth control. your answer is to tell them not to have sex. that's pretty simple-minded, if you ask me.