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Zukhov, if you're addressing that remark to me, you're kind of missing the point.
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No, I was addresssing that to The Imortal Goat. Perndogs comment sums up his answer well. No hard feelings ssdap?
If "abortion, the death penalty, and government funded programs for the TRULY destitute" is what it means to be 'liberal', then now we know why Vince doesn't like them, since we all know that Vince likes the death penalty, dislikes abortion and hates government funded programs.
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Vince, I do not want to be reduced to arguing in this thread, because that is not what I intended in making it,
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I think this is exactly the reason you started this thread.