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Originally Posted by CaptainBubba
Its strange to me how all of the responses to arguments I make eventually revert to telling me that thats just not the way things are, so I should accept it. I'm aware of the state our country is in. I'm aware of the motives and intentions of the framers of this country. That is all irrelevant. Ideas and principles have nothing to do with any of that.
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Forgive me for discussing matters in a realistic context. :/
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Our country is not fully Lockean in principle, that is for sure. However its not fully liberal, or conservative, or republican, or democratic. Thats our jobs. We are supposed to take stands as citizens of our country. Its my duty to uphold what I believe in because I believe in it.
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This is actually a bit wrong. Even our conservatives, as some scholars have pointed out, are essentially conservative about their liberalism. We are a VERY experimental, and in a sense radical country. Conservatism of the Edmund Burke sense was different than that of the modern American kind. Sure, conservatives are stereotypically "reactionary," but they are so un defense of a nation that was truly radical in its premise. So the argument that conservatism is inherently "American," IMO, is dead wrong.
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I turst the man working to persuade me into letting him serve me more than the man working to persuade me into serving him.
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Uhhh, and what does the politician do....?
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You seem to think that public services can't possibly exist without the involvement of government. I can't even begin to fathom where this came from. There are numerous reasons why private institutions or communities could start libraries or transportation.
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And there ae numerous reasons why you wouldn't want a privately motivated interest to do this, such as unfair mailing, compared to the fair and reliable system we have. Our libraries are one of the few things all politicians can agree on, and tend to consistently grant funding for, yet you seem to think allowing a private motive to have reign over public access to knowledge is a GOOD thing....
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Education in my opinion should most definitely have no ties to the government.
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And were this country to accept your theory, millions of Americans would to this day still be denied the right that is education....
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So CB, I'm thus assuming that you will not be receiving social security payments when you reach the eligible age...?
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Where have you been? Of course I won't. I will howver, be paying for my parents who in turn will also not get any. 
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This is yet another fallacy perpetuated by the Libertarian boogey men. Social Security, for the little it gives, has been a consistent return investment, which has still aided in raising living standards for the elderly and retired. Were they to invest in private firms, this guarantee would not be there. SS can and will even out, but we need to re-prioritize our tax system, ie. taxing the people who have the money. :/