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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 06:20 PM       
Hope you all left from for dessert because here is the final AP Top 25 Poll for the 2008 college football season:

1. Florida (48) 13-1 1,606 1
2. Utah (16) 13-0 1,519 7
3. Southern Cal (1) 12-1 1,481 5
4. Texas 12-1 1,478 3
5. Oklahoma 12-2 1,391 2
6. Alabama 12-2 1,264 4
7. TCU 11-2 1,193 11
8. Penn St. 11-2 1,153 6
9. Ohio St. 10-3 1,013 10
10. Oregon 10-3 997 15
11. Boise St. 12-1 938 9
12. Texas Tech 11-2 916 8
13. Georgia 10-3 903 16
14. Mississippi 9-4 857 20
15. Virginia Tech 10-4 713 21
16. Oklahoma St. 9-4 534 13
17. Cincinnati 11-3 506 12
18. Oregon St. 9-4 467 24
19. Missouri 10-4 435 25
20. Iowa 9-4 317 --
21. Florida St. 9-4 246 --
22. Georgia Tech 9-4 223 14
23. West Virginia 9-4 144 --
24. Michigan St. 9-4 138 19
25. BYU 10-3 137

On the cusp: California 128, Pittsburgh 106, LSU 95, Nebraska 64...
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 06:40 PM       
All the people that cry and whine for poor Utah need to get over it. Going undefeated is a tough thing to do and I give Utah credit for that, but do you really think they are the BEST team in college football? They beat Alabama, but even Glen Coffee will admit that they took them lightly. Aside from a 1 point loss to an Ole Miss team that thumped Texas Tech, Florida has played the best football nearly all year. They absolutely destroyed everyone they played in the regular season after the Rebel loss.

Utah deserves the number 2 spot in my eyes. I just can't believe for the life of me that they are the BEST team in the nation right now. When it comes down to it, the Mountain West is not the SEC or the Big 12. Some of those teams had nice seasons, but I just can't get past the conference Utah plays in.

As for the BCS is concerned, a playoff would be great but the reality is that we don't have one right now. The BCS is what we have to deal with, so "boycotting" the game because the feel good team wasn't in it is ridiculous.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 07:01 PM       
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Aside from a 1 point loss to an Ole Miss team that thumped Texas Tech, Florida has played the best football nearly all year.
This is all it comes down to for me, WR. They lost, Utah didn't. Why settle for this broken system? I'm not boycotting anything sports related (well, football related at least) but we shouldn't have to settle. The Russian hockey team was supposed to beat the US team in the 84 Olympics. The Patriots were no. 1 in everybody's power rankings all last season; if the NFL had a BCS, the Giants would've been in one of the "dot com" bowl games. The Devil Rays might as well as not even taken the field last season, because there was no way in hell they were going to beat out the Yankees and Red Sox, right?

Football isn't figure skating. What you, me, or any observer (or computer) thinks should be moot at the end of the day. The sportswriters have split the title before in the BCS era, and they were wrong not to do it this year. The BCS is a spit in the face of every athlete, coach, and fan of teams outside their big money conferences.

I take nothing away from Florida or any championship team in the BCS era. Tebow is as great as advertised. He could certainly lead them to a win over Utah, USC, or Texas. So I guess my bitch would be that I'm missing out on watching him do it.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 07:12 PM       
Splitting the title is much worse than crowning co-champs. Do you remember the hoopla that transpired from LSU and USC crowned co-champs in 2003?

I'm not defending the BCS. I've said before that an 8 team playoff would be the ideal situation. I am not settling for anything by saying that the BCS is what we have to deal with right now. It's what's in place for college football and it's what I will use to determine the national champion.

As for Utah, them going undefeated while playing in the Mountain West, beating an obviously down Michigan team, a pretty decent Oregon State team, and an Alabama team that was not playing it's best football, is not enough for me to crown them national champs.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 07:22 PM       
TCU and BYU were no slouches, but I digress.

What really grinds my gears is that there are so many people out there who do defend the BCS and their argument 90% of the time is that "in college football, the regular season is the playoff!" Well, that argument simply doesn't hold water when the sole undefeated team isn't the champion.

Kudos to Attorney General of Utah Mark Shurtleff for at least taking a look to see if they can bring this thing down.

"This game proved that it's an unfair system," Shurtleff told the Deseret News on Monday. "A team like Utah will never be given a chance."
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 07:32 PM       
Agreed, they weren't slouches but they play in the Mountain West. The Mountain West is a big step up from the MAC, WAC, and Conference USA, but If you were to put Utah, Air Force, TCU, or BYU in ANY BCS conference, they are going to lose games.

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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 07:58 PM       
I understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure it's mutual. Things shouldn't be played out on paper though, dude. Just because this guy's numbers are better than that guy's doesn't mean we should say, "Fuck that guy, this guy is clearly better." If that's how we're gonna run things, non-BCS teams should have their own championship since they're apparently not in the same league as the BCS teams. It's a joke as is, and they love it because people are talking about it and nobody with any sway is challenging it. Anything involving a bunch of people cheating other people and making a lot of loot in the process needs to be investigated, an the BCS fits that bill in my book.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 08:28 PM       
Cheating other people? Really? Yes, Obama and other assorted politicians need to stick their noses in college football over a crystal football. Dude, there will be money involved in college football regardless of a playoff or the current bowl system. It's big time athletics; that's just how it is.

I don't think you are getting what i'm trying to say. I'm not saying Utah can't hang because Tebow threw 700 tds or sucked 45 cocks. You keep bringing up a playoff even though we agree on that already. I don't agree with you in that Utah is the best team in the nation because they went undefeated in the Mountain West and beat a shitty Michigan team and a decent Oregon State team. The talent level in college football is widespread that you can't just crown a team national champions because they ran the table in an inferior conference. The Mountain West is a decent collection of teams, but I don't think there is a single person (excluding MWC fans) that will look you in the face and tell you that the MWC is on par with any of the BCS conferences in any given year. This year you could make a case for the MWC being better than the Big East or hell even Pac 10 or Big 10, but in any other year they will still be a mid-major conference with a few 9 or 10 win teams.

The talent and coaching to win CONSISTENTALY against top tier teams lies in the BCS conferences.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 08:44 PM       
I just really hate the BCS. I'm not about to say that the Mountain West is on par with any of the BCS conferences. Like I said, maybe there should literally be a title game for teams that can't crack the glass ceiling. I've got no allegiance to Utah or small conferences (I'm in Big XII land, baby!) but I can't be convinced that they or whoever the next little guy is doesn't deserve a chance.

As for the cheating thing, the guy is looking to see if the BCS is in violation of any antitrust laws. Of course there's going to be money involved always, but I'm all for finding chinks in the armor. Sorry if it seems like I'm trying to debate with you or what you're saying, I just always get the feeling that a lot of people are just letting the BCS slide like we've got to be stuck with it. I'm just glad I don't go to a Div. I school. I'd probably have a fucking stroke.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 08:53 PM       
I'm sure the anti-trust crap will fizzle out in the next few weeks when the season is in the back of everyone's mind.

The pressure is on the BCS more and more each year and I can realistically see a playoff forming in the next 5 years. I just do not want to see the current bowl system done away with. I think the top 8 BCS teams should complete in a playoff while the existing bowl system would apply to the rest of the bowl eligible teams. I get frustrated as well as to me it seems like they could so easily implement a playoff system as early as next year, but the old coots are too stuck in their ways.
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Old Jan 9th, 2009, 10:01 PM       
All-in-all, a great season. Regardless of my or anyone else's gripes or protests, there's not enough that can be said about the Gators. Tim Tebow: come on back to the swamp. You're effing awesome, and I'd rather see you running over the Oklahoma's and LSU's than holding a clipboard for one of the numerous disasters littering the bottom of the NFL ranks.

Entertaining bowl games this year too. I agree, WR, that a playoff can't forsake one of the sport's oldest traditions. And just like in '07, being in that no. 1 slot was like being the biggest buck in the forest in November. If nothing else, that'll keep me coming back to Div. I football. There is some parity growing in the Div. I ranks. Old powerhouses like Michigan, Tennessee, and Notre Dame are giving way to teams like Boise State, Utah, and TCU.

One thing that more people should really be griping about that hopefully will change is the hiring practices of the universities. I'm not going to say that affirmative action via the Rooney Rule is necessary, but these AD's and Presidents need to hire the best man for the job, and sometimes that man is other than caucasian.

Time to enjoy the hell out of some NFL playoffs, cuz there ain't even an Arena League season to tide us over this year.

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There is some parity growing in the Div. I ranks. Old powerhouses like Michigan, Tennessee, and Notre Dame are giving way to teams like Boise State, Utah, and TCU.

One thing that more people should really be griping about that hopefully will change is the hiring practices of the universities. I'm not going to say that affirmative action via the Rooney Rule is necessary, but these AD's and Presidents need to hire the best man for the job, and sometimes that man is other than caucasian.
Notre Dame is a bit of an enigma as they have brought in ridiculous recruiting classes. Tennessee was on the back end of a dying regime with Phil Fulmer and Michigan completely changed offensive schemes and coaching staffs. Mark my words, Michigan will be a top 10 team within 3 years.

I feel the Rooney Rule is completely necessary in college football. It's a complete joke that only 7 (i think) head coaches in D1 are black. Top that off with nearly all of them getting shitty jobs to begin with. Ty Willinham getting hired at Notre Dame a few years ago was an extremely rare exception. Florida D coordinator Charlie Strong now believes that he hasn't had a head coaching job yet because he's married to a white woman. Some say Turner Gill is in the same boat and I don't blame the guys if they feel that way.

Yes, it was a great season and I'm holding back the sniffles because having to wait 8 months for the 2009 season to begin will be too much for me to handle.

On second thought....national signing day is in a month and spring practices start in April...
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I'm glad you're on board. It's just a matter of time for Gill and Strong. I sometimes wonder, "Hey, why aren't there more black ______ ?" There are cases where I can understand it (I've been black long enough to know how this world is) and then there are cases, like in football, where I think, "With all the blacks on the field doing great things, there have got to be some that are doing/can do great things on the sidelines." The Rooney Rule is good stuff, and if that's what it takes to bring the cream to the top regardless of race, then maybe the NCAA should adopt it.
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As for the BCS is concerned, a playoff would be great but the reality is that we don't have one right now. The BCS is what we have to deal with, so "boycotting" the game because the feel good team wasn't in it is ridiculous.
Well and good, but I'll be damned if I participate in giving the BCS championship any ratings when I no longer believe in the system as it is. I will watch the bowl games I think will be good, but if it determines the championship***** (that's one astrisk for each team that deserved a shot at it in the first place kids) I will not bother because it was a total fraud this year. Far too many teams have cause to bitch that they should have had a shot. That is a fundamentally flawed system, and "it's what we got" is a cop out. It will always be "what we got" till we stop looking at it. I think all the complaining doesn't work, but I am willing to bet a 1 share in the TV ratings would get their attention, and more importantly, the attention of the sponsors.

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The pressure is on the BCS more and more each year and I can realistically see a playoff forming in the next 5 years. I just do not want to see the current bowl system done away with. I think the top 8 BCS teams should complete in a playoff while the existing bowl system would apply to the rest of the bowl eligible teams. I get frustrated as well as to me it seems like they could so easily implement a playoff system as early as next year, but the old coots are too stuck in their ways.
I agree with all of that except the 8 BCS teams, maybe 6 BCS teams and 2 at large bids from any division for the tourney. Heck the 4 games in the first round could even be the BCS bowls so the tradition stays alive.

Utah deserved a shot, they did everything required of them and even beat Bama into a stupor. It doesn't matter that Bama didn't take them seriously, the fact is if they were as superior to Utah as they thought they were they would have gotten it together and mounted a comeback by the 2nd half, but they didn't because to quote Dennis Green, "They are who we thought they were!"

As for the SEC being the be all/end all of college football quality, they are not. Every freaking season, they schedule cream puffs in preseason, then the 2 best teams smack the tar out of the rest of the league while everyone below the top two beat each other senselessly and that crap circus is mistaken for parity. Honestly, look at the SEC preseason schedule. Their toughest opponents? Hawaii, UCLA, Miami, and Louisville. Are you kidding me? John Cooper's OSU preseason thinks that is a cream puff schedule.
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Well and good, but I'll be damned if I participate in giving the BCS championship any ratings when I no longer believe in the system as it is. I will watch the bowl games I think will be good, but if it determines the championship***** (that's one astrisk for each team that deserved a shot at it in the first place kids) I will not bother because it was a total fraud this year. Far too many teams have cause to bitch that they should have had a shot. That is a fundamentally flawed system, and "it's what we got" is a cop out. It will always be "what we got" till we stop looking at it. I think all the complaining doesn't work, but I am willing to bet a 1 share in the TV ratings would get their attention, and more importantly, the attention of the sponsors.

So you want people to just look away? Before the BCS, you had multiple national champions in any given year, and people still watched. You act like the BCS has ruined football. It's really not that different than what was there before. People didn't cry and boycott then, so to suggest that we all take up arms and turn off the boob tube is laughable. People get so worked up over the BCS that I think they fail to realize that at the end of the day, it's just only damn football.

I take it you didn't watch last year's title game then?

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Agreed. I meant to say use the BCS rankings to determine the 8 playoff teams period.

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When did I say that? Sounds like someone still has a bitter taste in their mouth. Freudian slip?

By the way, you might want to add Clemsonx2, NC State, Wake Forestx2, Texas, Georgia Tech, Arizona State, and West Virginia to the SEC non-conference schedule.
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The BCS didn't ruin football, but it has pooped on NCAA Div. I football. Even the old way was better than this. At least multiple Nat'l Champs recognizes that there are two outstanding teams that unfortunately could not play each other due to the way the bowls were seeded. People didn't cry and boycott then because they were used to it and because no one game was deemed the National Championship game. It allowed for each bowl to have Nat'l title significance and if there were two teams that were deserving, then there were two teams that got deemed champion.

I agree, it's only football which is why I don't boycott.
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So you want people to just look away? Before the BCS, you had multiple national champions in any given year, and people still watched. You act like the BCS has ruined football. It's really not that different than what was there before. People didn't cry and boycott then, so to suggest that we all take up arms and turn off the boob tube is laughable. People get so worked up over the BCS that I think they fail to realize that at the end of the day, it's just only damn football.

I take it you didn't watch last year's title game then?
I watched last years Title game, and it was a fraud too, once I saw this, I decided it was time to stop giving them ratings. Will I make a difference? Probably not, but if I do nothing, I am part of the problem. Heck, pre BCS at least it was a big open debate and there were multiple polls that would reflect that. While it was just as pointless, it didn't pretend to be effective either. The BCS acts like they are a flawless system, and the people that created it are quite myopic about it.

Let me explain it another way, if I choose to kill my sleep schedule, I want it to be over something I think is worth my time. (The Fiesta Bowl regardless of the heart breaker ending was worth watching for example) But I felt the BCS championchip was so crapped out that I finally see it does not need to be looked at for me anymore when I can get a good 8 hours of shut-eye instead.

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When did I say that? Sounds like someone still has a bitter taste in their mouth. Freudian slip?
You didn't say that and I wasn't implying you did. My SEC rant was a seperate rant outside of anything you said, just something that has always stuck in my craw.

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I'll admit I missed those, but look at most of those games and you'll see my point stands about the SEC being overrated. The conference lost well over half those games. The media ignores this though which I find rather baffling.
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The BCS didn't ruin football, but it has pooped on NCAA Div. I football. Even the old way was better than this. At least multiple Nat'l Champs recognizes that there are two outstanding teams that unfortunately could not play each other due to the way the bowls were seeded. People didn't cry and boycott then because they were used to it and because no one game was deemed the National Championship game. It allowed for each bowl to have Nat'l title significance and if there were two teams that were deserving, then there were two teams that got deemed champion.
So you are happy with 3 teams splitting the national championship like Miami, Georgia Tech, and Colorado did in '90? Or how about 5 co-champions like in 1981? Giving out multiple championships doesn't solve anything and is akin to giving gold stars to all the kids in class because everyone is equal and they tried their darndest. At least the BCS makes an attempts to match up the top 2 teams (although not a perfect system). To say that college football was better off without it boggles my mind.
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I watched last years Title game, and it was a fraud too, once I saw this, I decided it was time to stop giving them ratings. Will I make a difference? Probably not, but if I do nothing, I am part of the problem. Heck, pre BCS at least it was a big open debate and there were multiple polls that would reflect that. While it was just as pointless, it didn't pretend to be effective either. The BCS acts like they are a flawless system, and the people that created it are quite myopic about it.
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Let me explain it another way, if I choose to kill my sleep schedule, I want it to be over something I think is worth my time. (The Fiesta Bowl regardless of the heart breaker ending was worth watching for example) But I felt the BCS championchip was so crapped out that I finally see it does not need to be looked at for me anymore when I can get a good 8 hours of shut-eye instead.
Instead of pouting you could of watched a very entertaining football game between two Heisman winners, but hey, sometimes you gotta take a stand, right?


I'll admit I missed those, but look at most of those games and you'll see my point stands about the SEC being overrated. The conference lost well over half those games. The media ignores this though which I find rather baffling.[/quote]

Agreed. The SEC is not the end all of college football, I'll agree with you on that. In fact, I hate every BCS teams except Ole Miss and Miss State.
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So you are happy with 3 teams splitting the national championship like Miami, Georgia Tech, and Colorado did in '90? Or how about 5 co-champions like in 1981? Giving out multiple championships doesn't solve anything and is akin to giving gold stars to all the kids in class because everyone is equal and they tried their darndest. At least the BCS makes an attempts to match up the top 2 teams (although not a perfect system). To say that college football was better off without it boggles my mind.
I gotta be honest man, I would prefer that 100% and I didn't mind it when USC got a share a few years back. I think Utah deserves a share this year.

Look, you can't match up the two best teams without direct competition. Rather then pretend like you matched the two best up, why not acknowledge that two or more teams were great? It makes sense. If the coaches and the associated press don't agree, well damnit, one half goes one way, and the other half goes the other way. This year everybody voted for Florida so it makes the system look like it works. It focuses our attention in one direction so we're force fed the idea that Florida would without a doubt beat Utah, Texas, or USC on a neutral field.

But, hey I love me some football, so like I said, I won't be joining any boycotts.
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At least they give everyone who deserves it a shot at their championship. It would be a lot less fraudulent thing to watch in January I would dare say
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They're as likely to institute a playoff system as they are to declare peace in the Middle East.
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Star Florida State safety Myron Rolle, who was named a prestigious Rhodes Scholar recently, will forgo the NFL Draft to enroll at Oxford:
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